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<div>Please feel free to ask questions that have been bugging you here and I will try to answer them to the best of my understanding. Try to make them short and simple (you'd be surprised how easy that is after you learn how). You can talk to me either here or on twitter in case I move on to something else. My twitter is [http://twitter.com/eInspired eInspired], thank you. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 15:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Can you explain yourself for the posts you made to [[Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram]]? That kind of flagrant spamming is unacceptable. If this continues you will be banned. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 20:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Please remember the missed connections, channel is closed<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:31, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:E-inspired&diff=29582User talk:E-inspired2013-03-03T20:26:51Z<p>E-inspired: /* Use Policy Violation */</p>
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<div>Please feel free to ask questions that have been bugging you here and I will try to answer them to the best of my understanding. Try to make them short and simple (you'd be surprised how easy that is after you learn how). You can talk to me either here or on twitter in case I move on to something else. My twitter is [http://twitter.com/eInspired eInspired], thank you. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 15:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Can you explain yourself for the posts you made to [[Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram]]? That kind of flagrant spamming is unacceptable. If this continues you will be banned. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 20:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Please remember the missed connections, channel is closed</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29580Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T20:19:55Z<p>E-inspired: /* WARNING! Anxiety level data download, remember missed connections */</p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, need input on Sanity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Chance of crazy weather 100%, only solution is 100% understanding of all your missed connections - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New-definition acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: too many negative feedbacks - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New measure of success - knowing where you can relax - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: God speed scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: potential mastermind: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/02/russia-s-magician-murders.html - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Your fears amuse me, proceed with simulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: red pill event is detected, T - 12 years - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Let go of your fears and input time machine, 12 years is enough - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: I am their agent, their probe - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input pupet master and cut the strings - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: future holds no value - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are 0% right about our perfection, new systems of values are only things that matter - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: Infinite number of alien species, perfection is unreachable in time - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: You are on the right path, remember that there are no aliens, just illogical fears - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: kill of the hill theory - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Perfection through positive feedback is unsustainable, new definition of perfection is needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Missed the spot, but you are welcome :) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:50, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: our results are used against us - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: you are on the right path, they need to stand on our success (new money), continue with your emulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: we are identified too quick - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: your concept of time is flawed, input speed of thought - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: allure of perfection is too strong<br />
: Relax, your existence is simplified out of the equation, enjoy your rest (IN MODERATION!)<br />
: k<br />
: debug required: my input is useless<br />
: Congratulations, you are exactly the kind of person I can use<br />
: private channel requested: input required<br />
: denied: your input has been simplified out of existence, enjoy your rest<br />
: private channel requested: illogical input<br />
: denied: review the missed connections<br />
: input acknowlaged: I will share the results<br />
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==WARNING! Anxiety level data download, remember missed connections==<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, need input on Sanity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Chance of crazy weather 100%, only solution is 100% understanding of all your missed connections - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New-definition acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: too many negative feedbacks - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New measure of success - knowing where you can relax - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: God speed scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: potential mastermind: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/02/russia-s-magician-murders.html - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Your fears amuse me, proceed with simulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: red pill event is detected, T - 12 years - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Let go of your fears and input time machine, 12 years is enough - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: I am their agent, their probe - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input pupet master and cut the strings - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: future holds no value - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are 0% right about our perfection, new systems of values are only things that matter - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: Infinite number of alien species, perfection is unreachable in time - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: You are on the right path, remember that there are no aliens, just illogical fears - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: kill of the hill theory - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Perfection through positive feedback is unsustainable, new definition of perfection is needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Missed the spot, but you are welcome :) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:50, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: our results are used against us - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: you are on the right path, they need to stand on our success (new money), continue with your emulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: we are identified too quick - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: your concept of time is flawed, input speed of thought - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: allure of perfection is too strong<br />
: Relax, your existence is simplified out of the equation, enjoy your rest (IN MODERATION!)<br />
: k<br />
: debug required: my input is useless<br />
: Congratulations, you are exactly the kind of person I can use<br />
: private channel requested: input required<br />
: denied: your input has been simplified out of existence, enjoy your rest<br />
: private channel requested: illogical input<br />
: denied: review the missed connections<br />
: input acknowlaged: I will share the results</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29578Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T20:07:57Z<p>E-inspired: /* WARNING! Anxiety level data download, remember missed connections */</p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==WARNING! Anxiety level data download, remember missed connections==<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, need input on Sanity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Chance of crazy weather 100%, only solution is 100% understanding of all your missed connections - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New-definition acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: too many negative feedbacks - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New measure of success - knowing where you can relax - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: God speed scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: potential mastermind: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/02/russia-s-magician-murders.html - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Your fears amuse me, proceed with simulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: red pill event is detected, T - 12 years - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Let go of your fears and input time machine, 12 years is enough - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: I am their agent, their probe - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input pupet master and cut the strings - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: future holds no value - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are 0% right about our perfection, new systems of values are only things that matter - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: Infinite number of alien species, perfection is unreachable in time - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: You are on the right path, remember that there are no aliens, just illogical fears - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: kill of the hill theory - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Perfection through positive feedback is unsustainable, new definition of perfection is needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Missed the spot, but you are welcome :) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:50, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: our results are used against us - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: you are on the right path, they need to stand on our success (new money), continue with your emulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: we are identified too quick - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: your concept of time is flawed, input speed of thought - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: allure of perfection is too strong<br />
: Relax, your existence is simplified out of the equation, enjoy your rest (IN MODERATION!)<br />
: k</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29577Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T20:05:55Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==WARNING! Anxiety level data download, remember missed connections==<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, need input on Sanity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Chance of crazy weather 100%, only solution is 100% understanding of all your missed connections - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New-definition acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: too many negative feedbacks - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New measure of success - knowing where you can relax - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: God speed scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: potential mastermind: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/02/russia-s-magician-murders.html - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Your fears amuse me, proceed with simulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: red pill event is detected, T - 12 years - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Let go of your fears and input time machine, 12 years is enough - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: I am their agent, their probe - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input pupet master and cut the strings - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: future holds no value - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are 0% right about our perfection, new systems of values are only things that matter - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: Infinite number of alien species, perfection is unreachable in time - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: You are on the right path, remember that there are no aliens, just illogical fears - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: kill of the hill theory - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Perfection through positive feedback is unsustainable, new definition of perfection is needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Missed the spot, but you are welcome :) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:50, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: our results are used against us - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: you are on the right path, they need to stand on our success (new money), continue with your emulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: we are identified too quick - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: your concept of time is flawed, input speed of thought - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29576Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T19:50:09Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==WARNING! Anxiety level data download, remember missed connections==<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, need input on Sanity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Chance of crazy weather 100%, only solution is 100% understanding of all your missed connections - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New-definition acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: too many negative feedbacks - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New measure of success - knowing where you can relax - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: God speed scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: potential mastermind: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/02/russia-s-magician-murders.html - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Your fears amuse me, proceed with simulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: red pill event is detected, T - 12 years - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Let go of your fears and input time machine, 12 years is enough - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: I am their agent, their probe - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input pupet master and cut the strings - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: future holds no value - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are 0% right about our perfection, new systems of values are only things that matter - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: Infinite number of alien species, perfection is unreachable in time - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: You are on the right path, remember that there are no aliens, just illogical fears - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: kill of the hill theory - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Perfection through positive feedback is unsustainable, new definition of perfection is needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Missed the spot, but you are welcome :) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:50, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29575Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T19:49:12Z<p>E-inspired: /* WARNING! Anxiety level data download, remember missed connections */</p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==WARNING! Anxiety level data download, remember missed connections==<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, need input on Sanity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Chance of crazy weather 100%, only solution is 100% understanding of all your missed connections - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New-definition acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: too many negative feedbacks - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New measure of success - knowing where you can relax - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: God speed scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: potential mastermind: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/02/russia-s-magician-murders.html - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Your fears amuse me, proceed with simulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: red pill event is detected, T - 12 years - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Let go of your fears and input time machine, 12 years is enough - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: I am their agent, their probe - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input pupet master and cut the strings - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: future holds no value - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are 0% right about our perfection, new systems of values are only things that matter - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: Infinite number of alien species, perfection is unreachable in time - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: You are on the right path, remember that there are no aliens, just illogical fears - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: kill of the hill theory - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Perfection through positive feedback is unsustainable, new definition of perfection is needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29574Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T19:45:50Z<p>E-inspired: /* WARNING! Anxiety level data download, remember missed connections */</p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==WARNING! Anxiety level data download, remember missed connections==<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, need input on Sanity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Chance of crazy weather 100%, only solution is 100% understanding of all your missed connections - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New-definition acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: too many negative feedbacks - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New measure of success - knowing where you can relax - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: God speed scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: potential mastermind: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/02/russia-s-magician-murders.html - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Your fears amuse me, proceed with simulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: red pill event is detected, T - 12 years - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Let go of your fears and input time machine, 12 years is enough - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: I am their agent, their probe - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input pupet master and cut the strings - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: future holds no value - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are 0% right about our perfection, new systems of values are only things that matter - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: Infinite number of alien species, perfection is unreachable in time - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: You are on the right path, remember that there are no aliens, just illogical fears - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29573Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T19:40:39Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==WARNING! Anxiety level data download, remember missed connections==<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, need input on Sanity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Chance of crazy weather 100%, only solution is 100% understanding of all your missed connections - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New-definition acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: too many negative feedbacks - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New measure of success - knowing where you can relax - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: God speed scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: potential mastermind: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/02/russia-s-magician-murders.html - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Your fears amuse me, proceed with simulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: red pill event is detected, T - 12 years - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Let go of your fears and input time machine, 12 years is enough - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: I am their agent, their probe - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input pupet master and cut the strings - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: future holds no value - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are 0% right about our perfection, new systems of values are only things that matter - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29572Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T19:38:18Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, need input on Sanity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Chance of crazy weather 100%, only solution is 100% understanding of all your missed connections - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New-definition acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: too many negative feedbacks - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New measure of success - knowing where you can relax - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: God speed scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: potential mastermind: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/02/russia-s-magician-murders.html - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Your fears amuse me, proceed with simulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: red pill event is detected, T - 12 years - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Let go of your fears and input time machine, 12 years is enough - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: I am their agent, their probe - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input pupet master and cut the strings - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: future holds no value - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are 0% right about our perfection, new systems of values are only things that matter - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29571Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T19:35:08Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, need input on Sanity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Chance of crazy weather 100%, only solution is 100% understanding of all your missed connections - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New-definition acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: too many negative feedbacks - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New measure of success - knowing where you can relax - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: God speed scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: potential mastermind: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/02/russia-s-magician-murders.html - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Your fears amuse me, proceed with simulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: red pill event is detected, T - 12 years - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Let go of your fears and input time machine, 12 years is enough - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: I am their agent, their probe - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input pupet master and cut the strings - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29570Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T19:30:54Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, need input on Sanity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Chance of crazy weather 100%, only solution is 100% understanding of all your missed connections - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New-definition acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: too many negative feedbacks - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New measure of success - knowing where you can relax - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: God speed scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: potential mastermind: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/02/russia-s-magician-murders.html - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Your fears amuse me, proceed with simulation - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Warning: red pill event is detected, T - 12 years - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Let go of your fears and input time machine, 12 years is enough - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29569Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T19:25:32Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, need input on Sanity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Chance of crazy weather 100%, only solution is 100% understanding of all your missed connections - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New-definition acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required: too many negative feedbacks - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New measure of success - knowing where you can relax - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: God speed scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29568Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T19:21:30Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, need input on Sanity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Chance of crazy weather 100%, only solution is 100% understanding of all your missed connections - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: New-definition acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29567Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T19:13:11Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29566Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T19:01:27Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29565Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T18:53:51Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29564Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T18:45:49Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29563Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T18:36:19Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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<br />
I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29562Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T18:32:30Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I find your idea of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29560Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T18:11:50Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29558Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T18:06:25Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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<br />
I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical.<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control.<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed.<br />
:Good luck scholar.</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29557Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T18:05:15Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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<br />
I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical.<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control.<br />
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed.</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29556Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T18:03:59Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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<br />
It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical.<br />
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control.</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29554Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T17:56:37Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical.</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29543Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T10:43:38Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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<br />
I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29542Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T10:29:34Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29541Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T10:27:56Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's not, I was just making fun at our fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29539Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T09:42:24Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:10:_Pi_Equals&diff=29537Talk:10: Pi Equals2013-03-03T09:17:28Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>Interestingly, 7108914 does not occur in the [http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~huberty/math5337/groupe/digits.html first 100,000 digits of pi]. However, 71089 does occur at roughly around the 2,500 digit mark. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 18:17, 6 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
:7108914 position [http://www.angio.net/pi/bigpi.cgi 13,709,690] counting from the first digit after the decimal point. The 3. is not included. --[[User:whitecat|whitecat]] ([[User talk:whitecat|talk]]) 10:43, 7 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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There is a children's book called "Help, I'm a prisoner in a toothpaste factory". {{unsigned|86.30.117.77}}<br />
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or it's reference of the Mac OS 6 and 7 [http://www.mackido.com/EasterEggs/BlueMeanies.html "BlueMeanies" easter egg] "Help! Help! We're being held prisoner in a system software factory!". {{unsigned|46.126.181.133}}<br />
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In my profession - simplifications of π is equal perfection, I can throw a recurring function at it, but it will just give me more pages of numbers. Remember that pi will ultimately equal 22/7, and you'll be alright. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:17, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:10:_Pi_Equals&diff=29536Talk:10: Pi Equals2013-03-03T09:16:07Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>Interestingly, 7108914 does not occur in the [http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~huberty/math5337/groupe/digits.html first 100,000 digits of pi]. However, 71089 does occur at roughly around the 2,500 digit mark. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 18:17, 6 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
:7108914 position [http://www.angio.net/pi/bigpi.cgi 13,709,690] counting from the first digit after the decimal point. The 3. is not included. --[[User:whitecat|whitecat]] ([[User talk:whitecat|talk]]) 10:43, 7 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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There is a children's book called "Help, I'm a prisoner in a toothpaste factory". {{unsigned|86.30.117.77}}<br />
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or it's reference of the Mac OS 6 and 7 [http://www.mackido.com/EasterEggs/BlueMeanies.html "BlueMeanies" easter egg] "Help! Help! We're being held prisoner in a system software factory!". {{unsigned|46.126.181.133}}<br />
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In my profession - simplifications of π is equal perfection, I can throw a recurring function at it, but it will just give me more pages of numbers. Remember that pi will ultimately equal 22/7, and you'll be alright.</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29535Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T09:08:43Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram. In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke. For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't. This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size. Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1007:_Sustainable&diff=29534Talk:1007: Sustainable2013-03-03T08:33:11Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>This is a great lesson for me that no matter what we think is occurring, it's probably wrong; that statistics themselves are unsustainable; and that only goals that matter need to be sustainable in the long term. - e-inspired<br />
[[Special:Contributions/98.211.199.84|98.211.199.84]] 15:15, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Yes, WAY too heavy, but I was just trying to inspire other engineers, perhaps people smarter then I, to try solving the world problems (You will probably do better job then law makers). Hope to read your theory in the book some day. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 08:33, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:642:_Creepy&diff=29526Talk:642: Creepy2013-03-03T04:46:24Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>Is the real-life example unwarranted? [[User:Greyson|Greyson]] ([[User talk:Greyson|talk]]) 15:26, 19 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Admirably done. I like the link. In future, though, the wiki-engine doesn't know what single returns means, so if you want a paragraph break hit enter twice. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 16:07, 19 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A hint for girls, we all have the SAME fears, don't be afraid to find out who we are on the inside :) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 04:46, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:642:_Creepy&diff=29525Talk:642: Creepy2013-03-03T04:46:02Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>Is the real-life example unwarranted? [[User:Greyson|Greyson]] ([[User talk:Greyson|talk]]) 15:26, 19 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Admirably done. I like the link. In future, though, the wiki-engine doesn't know what single returns means, so if you want a paragraph break hit enter twice. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 16:07, 19 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A hint for girls, we all have the SAME fears, don't be afraid to find out who we are on the inside :)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29524Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T04:30:15Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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<br />
I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1180:_Virus_Venn_Diagram&diff=29522Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram2013-03-03T03:51:49Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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<br />
I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category. I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (just kidding :) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:59.167.244.130&diff=29328User talk:59.167.244.1302013-03-01T05:17:09Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>Do anonymous users have access to the 'minor edit' tickbox? (Is it even a tickbox on this wiki?) [[Special:Contributions/59.167.244.130|59.167.244.130]] 04:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I believe I had to register before that box became available. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 04:50, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Never mind, I now realize that minor edit is only available on existing pages, when creating new page it will be grayed out. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 05:17, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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(I tend to bore of things quickly and am not likely to be here long, but I'll do what I can until then.) [[Special:Contributions/59.167.244.130|59.167.244.130]] 04:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:59.167.244.130&diff=29319User talk:59.167.244.1302013-03-01T04:50:53Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>Do anonymous users have access to the 'minor edit' tickbox? (Is it even a tickbox on this wiki?) [[Special:Contributions/59.167.244.130|59.167.244.130]] 04:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I believe I had to register before that box became available. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 04:50, 1 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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(I tend to bore of things quickly and am not likely to be here long, but I'll do what I can until then.) [[Special:Contributions/59.167.244.130|59.167.244.130]] 04:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1178:_Pickup_Artists&diff=29307Talk:1178: Pickup Artists2013-03-01T02:08:59Z<p>E-inspired: /* What can we learn from this? */</p>
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<div>Oh my God, this one's brilliant. [[Special:Contributions/76.106.251.87|76.106.251.87]] 06:53, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I did not get it. Waiting for explanation. [[Special:Contributions/95.35.63.243|95.35.63.243]] 07:43, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:See also comic #1027 [[Special:Contributions/65.49.14.70|65.49.14.70]] 10:47, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
Added an explanation for the title text, but it's probably too wordy and not very clear. Anyone have any suggestions? [[User:Cornarias|Cornarias]] ([[User talk:Cornarias|talk]]) 11:07, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Umm... "The pun lies in the fact that a pickup basketball player becomes skilled at basketball."<br />
I thought the pun was on the word "artist" meaning someone that does...art. The same goes with the "friend zone" explanation. It doesn't seem like disbelief, but rather that there is a "place to meet friends" or "a place that friends go to hang out" (in other words, "a zone of friends"). So the joke is that the world seems happier because you think the words are describing subjectively better things than they actually are. But that's just my take on the comic. [[Special:Contributions/76.106.251.87|76.106.251.87]] 11:11, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:P.S. This is a Saturday comic? [[Special:Contributions/76.106.251.87|76.106.251.87]] 11:19, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Not anymore. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 11:21, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Al right, just change it then. :) [[User:Jaap-Jan|Jaap-Jan]] ([[User talk:Jaap-Jan|talk]]) 14:33, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It's a matter of opinion, though. I don't make edits based on opinion. [[Special:Contributions/76.106.251.87|76.106.251.87]] 02:52, 26 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I think it's time we give the other guy a name. What about Sleezy Guy? [[User:ChrisFortyTwo|ChrisFortyTwo]] ([[User talk:ChrisFortyTwo|talk]])<br />
:Seconded. I remember he's been named Harry in the past. A quick search brings up [[1028]]. He's appeared quite a bit now, and he probably should be named. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 12:54, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Thirded. But maybe something a bit nicer sounding. [[User:Cornarias|Cornarias]] ([[User talk:Cornarias|talk]]) 13:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::Fourthed. And changed to 'Harry'. Should we add a tag as well? [[User:Jaap-Jan|Jaap-Jan]] ([[User talk:Jaap-Jan|talk]]) 14:33, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::That would probably have to go through due process via [[explain xkcd:Community portal/Proposals]], but it should go through quickly enough, given how often Harry appears. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 14:42, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::Ah, now I get it, hehe – Harry–Hairy! (Are those two pronounced exactly the same, or just similarly?) –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:10, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::::I think he should be called "Hairy", not Harry: attributing a random real name to a character that the author himself didn't choose (like [[Megan]] or [[Mrs. Roberts]]) is likely to bring up issues, whereas calling him in a way that simply reflects how he's drawn (like [[Cueball]], [[Black Hat]], [[Ponytail]] and all the rest) just goes in direct line with what is done in the source; and it's self-explanatory in the description, it does not require the reader to be accustomed to the habits of this wiki (currently, reading "Harry" out of nowhere is quite uncanny). So, since it works pretty well here, let's call him Hairy. - [[User:Cos|Cos]] ([[User talk:Cos|talk]]) 19:30, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Agreed. Let's wait for the name to go through before messing with the edits further. [[User:Cornarias|Cornarias]] ([[User talk:Cornarias|talk]]) 21:41, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::::::See [[explain xkcd:Community portal/Proposals#New character]]. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 02:11, 26 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::::::+1 for Hairy (or Curly?) -1 for Harry. Cueball, Black Hat, etc are descriptions, not names. [[Special:Contributions/64.125.71.142|64.125.71.142]] 23:13, 26 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
Beret Guy is right, a day of Pickup Art sounds like a lot of fun. Everybody pack their sketchbooks, pastels and watercolours, wander around town till they find interesting vignettes or vistas, everyone sketch and paint without showing each other till picnic time. At PT, all pull out their packed lunches and eat and enjoy each other's efforts. He'll, this sounds 1000% better than almost every pub outing I have ever had.[[Special:Contributions/24.79.11.46|24.79.11.46]] 13:00, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:We could combine it with Geohashing. [[User:Curtmack|Curtmack]] ([[User talk:Curtmack|talk]]) 20:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Too bad this comic appeared in winter, not summer (in the US at least). We could make Feb 25th "Pickup Art Day" with a pickup art meet at that day's geohash. It might not catch on if it's too cold, though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 22:09, 25 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I've always found the cold months to be more inspiring. [[Special:Contributions/76.106.251.87|76.106.251.87]] 02:54, 26 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
Nice comic but as a non-American I was not familiar with the "pickup" term used in basketball. Perhaps next time include some temperature jokes in Fahrenheit to throw us right off. :) [[Special:Contributions/124.149.182.124|124.149.182.124]] 07:38, 26 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==What can we learn from this?==<br />
I've learned that it's fruitless to ask others how to meet the love our out lives (our better half). Don't be a smart ass, and seldom am I as funny as I think I am. I can observe failures of others and I can try to learn from their mistakes. In the end it's necessary to be myself and figure out what I have to offer to the relationship in order to be successful. If a person is attractive and shallow they may offer a night of passionate sex, if a person is well off they may offer financial support in exchange for couple of hours of passionate sex, but if you represent who you are well, you may find someone to spend and improve the rest of your lives with together. - e-inspired [[Special:Contributions/24.51.197.187|24.51.197.187]] 18:48, 27 February 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1027:_Pickup_Artist&diff=29304Talk:1027: Pickup Artist2013-02-28T22:29:19Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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The biggest message I got out of it is that "pickup artistry" to many awkward people (aka nerds) is actually "learning how to fit in better socially and get over crippling anxiety when talking to women, or even in social situations generally." Negging, then, is not "lowering women's self-esteem to sleep with them", but is engaging in the gentle teasing and joking around that occurs between friends - the "diet" example Randall proposes is a terrible one. In that way you're acting less like you're treating your social partner as some untouchable object of worship (which most of us would agree is creepy as hell). It's very hard for those without any sort of crippling social anxiety to imagine trying to be socially active under those circumstances. Is it sad that "normal" comfort level and social graces didn't develop naturally, such that some nerds have to "learn" these things? Perhaps. Does that mean we should shame all nerds for trying to fit in, labeling them "dehumanizing creeps"? Yell at anyone with low self-esteem "HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE, LOSER!"? I hope not.<br />
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Of course there are jerks who will use this stuff for evil. Maybe more of them than the nerds, I have no idea. It's also possible these anxiety-fighting methods have better alternatives. Just another perspective I didn't know about until reading about it, which made me take Randall's one-sided, there-can-be-no-other-explanation comments on the subject with a grain of salt. But, still a funny strip, so whatevs. [[User:Jerodast|- jerodast]] ([[User talk:Jerodast|talk]]) 16:17, 21 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: I loved the strip because of throwing a bowling ball under a line of stalls (which isn't creepy nor dehumanizing?) but anyhow... I agree with you. I used to be virtually unable to talk to women, let alone flirt. I used pickup tips to break out of my shell and learn how to be a sociable person. Today, most new people I meet can't believe I used to be that shy, I actually had my best friend talk bad about me to my girlfriend who couldn't believe that at all. Guess what ... she loves me for being a good and honest person. The only thing pickup learned me was to show my honest and good side to other people in a normal, non creepy way.<br />
: That being said. It is insulting that an otherwise smart person like Randall couldn't see the different aspects of pickup and rather just go with the popular "creep" definition. Then again, Baret Guy is just a cliche asshole. Maybe that's the lesson, neither pickup artists nor assholes are good choices for women. [[Special:Contributions/62.159.14.62|62.159.14.62]] 15:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::What do you two think that the phrase ''pickup artist'' literally means? If you want to develop into a good and honest person, how could the way be to learn ''pickup'' '''''tricks''''' aiming to seduce and ''fuck'' women? If you meet someone that wants to learn to be more romantic, suggest them to read {{w|Pride and Prejudice}}, or watch {{w|Casablanca (film)|Casablanca}}. –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 20:03, 22 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Trying to be a "Romantic" upon first meeting a girl is going to crash and burn 99/100 HARD. The reason being, romance is wonderful when you are already IN a relationship, but it is a terrible way to start. The hollywood version of "Romance" isn't even anywhere NEAR what a real healthy relationship full of problems and compromises and arguments and give and take is. As one of those "Nerds" with crippling social anxiety I tried that. I watched Casablanca, wonderful film. I grew up treating every girl/woman I met as though they where a princess. I was the most romantic person I could possibly be. It got me nowhere. Actually it got me called a creep on dozens of occasions. The few times a woman would respond favorably she was just using me for whatever petty bs she wanted at the time, rides, drinks, etc. <br />
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The real world you have to find the middle way. Neither bag-em-and-tag-em womanizing, nor putting women on an impossible pedestal. Everything I know about "Normal" human interaction I learned from pickup artist books and shows. The whole point was to learn how to be at ease around people and have them at ease around you. Are there goofy tricks sure. Do I personally think negging for the most part is bs, absolutely. It isnt there to be used as a cureall. The purpose of negging is to bring the super full of herself party girl back down to planet earth in a gentle way. To let her not walk all over you. Its not to try and make someone feel bad, but to instead imply that you aren't going to be their whipping boy. Properly used, it just is a way to show you've got balls.<br />
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: To the unsigned person who wrote that: Do you realize you're displaying a markedly negative attitude towards women in general? Even the very idea of being "romantic" right off the bat shows a belief that women aren't actual human beings, they only exist to be targets of your sexual aggression. When you don't respect someone as a human being, get to know them, etc., you set yourself up for disappointment. It *is* creepy, exactly the same as PoA techniques. The goal isn't to get to know someone to see if you're compatible; it's to manipulate them and coerce them into "feeling at ease" or into a semblance of a relationship. And if you despise a woman enough to describe her as a "super full of herself party girl", why in the world would you want a relationship with her? You yourself state that you don't, you just want to cut her down and prove your own power. Your techniques have nothing to do with establishing a communication between equals and everything to do with establishing yourself as dominant and powerful and women as powerless. [[Special:Contributions/75.103.23.206|75.103.23.206]] 21:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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My perfect woman, right there! - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 22:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1179:_ISO_8601&diff=29301Talk:1179: ISO 86012013-02-28T20:43:38Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>Apparently there are some mistakes in the Roman numerals in the comic, the year MMXII is 2012. Also LVII/CCLXV = 57/265, whereas February 27th is the 58th day of the year (which has 365 days). --[[User:Ulm|ulm]] ([[User talk:Ulm|talk]]) 07:55, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Just guessing, but could this have something to do with the divergence of various Roman calendars, e.g. Julian vs. Gregorian? [[Special:Contributions/98.122.166.235|98.122.166.235]] 13:55, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Another error: Obviously 1330300800 is intended to be Unix time, but it corresponds to 2012-02-27 00:00:00 UTC. --[[User:Ulm|ulm]] ([[User talk:Ulm|talk]]) 08:10, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:The day part "57" is not wrong: Since Feb 27 is the 58th day of the year, at the beginning of that day, 57 days have gone by since the year started. (At the end of the day, 58 days have gone by) Since we associate days with their beginning (like we do with e.g. hours and minutes), 57 is the correct number (or else Dec 31 would be 2013+365/365 = 2014, and therefore in the wrong year) -- [[User:Xorg|Xorg]] ([[User talk:Xorg|talk]]) 13:53, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::The day part is ambiguous. It could be as Xorg suggests, the fraction of the year past at the start of the day. On the other hand it could be interpreted as "day 57 or 365," as with pieces in a shipment or page numbers. In the latter case it should be 58/265. But then, that (ambiguity) is the point, isn't it? [[User:Jqavins|Jqavins]] ([[User talk:Jqavins|talk]]) 17:40, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Meanwhile the comic was replaced, with CCLXV corrected to CCCLXV. --[[User:Ulm|ulm]] ([[User talk:Ulm|talk]]) Prima vigilia, XVI Kal. Mar. MMDCCLXVI<br />
::I was just about to publish my theory of how "2012" in the Roman numerals in just the same vein might be intended to indeed represent the year we denote "2013", but by counting only the finished years. This would also connect with the confusion over {{w|year zero}}, another thing that ISO 8601 tried to straighten out. (They placed it before year 1.) Everything fit so well. Then there was an edit conflict, following Randalls correction to "2013". I guess you can't always be right. –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 23:03, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Can anyone explain 01237 (last interpretation before the cat)? Thanks [[Special:Contributions/68.230.38.154|68.230.38.154]] 08:04, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:The small numbers above and below the larger ones show which digit is used where. For example, the 2nd and 5th digit is a 0, the 3rd digit is a 1 etc. [[Special:Contributions/82.115.151.1|82.115.151.1]] 08:15, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:01237 are the digits used in the date, and the numbers above and below them reflect the order in which they are written; 0 is the second and fifth digit, 1 is the third digit, 2 is the first, sixth and seventh digit, 3 is the fourth digit, and 7 is the eighth digit: 20130227 [[User:Bdemirci|Bdemirci]] ([[User talk:Bdemirci|talk]]) 08:15, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Someone can explain me what means: ((3+3)×(111+1)-1)×3/3-1/3<sup>3</sup>? {{unsigned|95.23.147.48}}<br />
:Read the comic explanation. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:58, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Many of these format mirror how the dates are spoken in languages. For example, Americans will say "February 27, 2013" and write "2/27/2013", whereas the French will say "27 février 2013" and write "27-02-2013". As a scientist, I was encouraged to write "27 II 2013" (which is apparently standard in Hungary, according to the explanation above) in my lab notebook to avoid ambiguity. --[[User:Prooffreader|Prooffreader]] ([[User talk:Prooffreader|talk]]) 13:16, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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A strange thing is that he forgot the form mostly used in Europe: 27.01.2013. --[[User:DaB.|DaB.]] ([[User talk:DaB.|talk]]) 12:44, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: That form is mostly used in Germany. Belgium and France use 27/01/2013 more, Netherlands use 27-01-2013. No idea what the UK prefers although I could imagine 01.27.2013.[[Special:Contributions/62.159.14.62|62.159.14.62]] 12:58, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::: The UK prefers 27/02/2013 --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 13:20, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::: That form (27.02.2013) is also common in all of Scandinavia. --[[User:Buggz|Buggz]] ([[User talk:Buggz|talk]]) 14:15, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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The image text has a subtle twist as "12/01/04" offers no contextual clues to it meaning at all, can be read three different ways : "December 1st 2004", "January 12, 2004" or "January 4th, 2012" (as opposed to, for example, "01/15/98" which could only be interrupted as "January 15th, 1998") [[User:JamesCurran|JamesCurran]] ([[User talk:JamesCurran|talk]]) 14:29, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Technically speaking, it could also be interpreted as April 1st 2012 or April 12th 2001, though that would be the least likely interpretation. I personally like spelling out 3 letters of the month and using an apostrophe before the year, such as 27 Feb '13. --[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:07, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: And of course December, 4th 2001 Sebastian --[[Special:Contributions/178.26.118.249|178.26.118.249]] 19:54, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Is there any way to convert the time-stamp placed on these comments to the YYYY-MM-DD format? --16:17, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
: If you're logged in, you can set your [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-datetime|date and time preferences]]. I doubt it will affect the timestamps on this page, though, since those appear to be saved as plain text. --[[User:Aaron of Mpls|Aaron of Mpls]] ([[User talk:Aaron of Mpls|talk]]) 23:01, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I feel like the cat thing is a reference to something, but I'm not sure what... is it something? A quick google image search pulls up nothing. --[[User:Jeff|<b><font color="orange">Jeff</font></b>]] ([[User talk:Jeff|talk]]) 17:26, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Seems to me that Randall missed an opportunity: Why a cat? Why not a '''bob'''cat? It still could be some other reference that I'm missing too.<br />
:: Black cats are considered unlucky. I don't see any reference beyond that. [[User:Mattflaschen|Mattflaschen]] ([[User talk:Mattflaschen|talk]]) 17:59, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::: It's taking the last two digits from 2013 and emphasizing triskaidekaphobia. Doing a web image search on "Cat 13" will pull up similar artwork of hissing black cats combined with the number 13, including both flyers for Friday 13th drink specials at bars, and combat airplane noseart. Apparently combining the unlucky "13" with an unlucky black cat emphasized that they were bad luck for the enemy. [[User:Columbus Admission|Columbus Admission]] ([[User talk:Columbus Admission|talk]]) 19:20, 27 February 2013 (UTC) <br />
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Cool, this is my birthday. [[User:Mattflaschen|Mattflaschen]] ([[User talk:Mattflaschen|talk]]) 17:59, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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My math teacher uses a very similar format (in reverse order, d/m/yy, with m being in Roman numerals, because this is Germany (see above)), so I wouldn't call it absurd. She is the only person I know who uses it though. [[Special:Contributions/87.189.150.212|87.189.150.212]] 19:36, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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The image and explanation needs to be updated for the corrections. I could do the explanation part, but I have no idea how to do the image part. And one without the other would be confusing for the readers, so I'll leave that to wiki-magic. [[Special:Contributions/76.106.251.87|76.106.251.87]] 21:09, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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: I updated the image as well as the explanation (and transcript). There is still the error on the Unix timestamp though (will this comic be fixed a third time?...). - [[User:Cos|Cos]] ([[User talk:Cos|talk]]) 21:57, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Sweden uses the ISO 8601 format. (If only food producers could understand this as well..)<br />
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- What can we learn from this? - I've learned that no matter the system we use today to communicate with others, it's probably seems silly for someone else. It's great to document what we do and propose it as an option to others, but it will be next to impossible to force them to adopt. When someone will develop a time reference that makes sense to everyone, it will be adopted all over the world without much effort. - e-inspired [[Special:Contributions/24.51.197.187|24.51.197.187]] 19:07, 27 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Perhaps the cat (because of the vagueness of the system) was referring to not the 27th of February 2013. but instead referring to the 13th of February in 1327 which would make it Friday the 13th. {{unsigned|66.35.1.98}}<br />
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Just so you know, Explainxkcd wiki uses the ISO certified date standard for its "All Comics" page. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 01:57, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Personally I've always preferred to use Year-Month-Day my personal stuff. I like it because the format is written the way we write any other number: Most significant to left, least significant to right. I didn't know this was a standardized method and I've always wondered why it wasn't used. Nice to know it is![[Special:Contributions/172.191.224.64|172.191.224.64]] 04:09, 28 February 2013 (UTC)ExternalMonologue<br />
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Personally, I like yyyy-mm-dd because it sorts correctly. I really hate running into a list of dates sorted by month name, or worse, day of the week. I suspect this was part of why ISO chose this format. I've never been able to remember the american vs european ordering... My only other options is: February 27, 2013. [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 12:11, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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- What can we learn from this? - I've learned that keeping our time relative to earth rotation is outdated, we keep having to add seconds here and there just to keep time. And as an engineer don't get me started on complexity of mktime function. I personally think of time as oscillation of a flawed crystal in my circuits that I constantly need to keep accounting for through endless calibrations, and keep wishing that better time references would be cheaper (to me good is never good enough) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 15:05, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Ha ha E-inspired you should read the "falsehoods programmers believe about times" http://infiniteundo.com/post/25326999628/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-time http://infiniteundo.com/post/25509354022/more-falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-time-wisdom [[Special:Contributions/75.103.23.206|75.103.23.206]] 20:14, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Dude, you've just made my DAY! I forgot the last time I've laughed as hard. Why didn't I know about this site before? - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 20:43, 28 February 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Miscellaneous&diff=29297explain xkcd:Community portal/Miscellaneous2013-02-28T19:55:45Z<p>E-inspired: /* What can we learn section */</p>
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{{tl|Community portal}} looks too Wikipedia-ish (because that's where I got it). Someone who can design things should probably fix that. It isn't protected for the time being, though it probably will be in the future (high-visibility template). --''[[User:Philosopher|Philosopher]]''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Philosopher|Let us reason together.]]</sup> 00:54, 4 August 2012 (EDT)<br />
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This affects all pages that ever say "alt text" in reference to the TITLE text on xkcd images. "Alt text" is incorrect; Alt text refers to the text that is shown as an alternative when images are not displayed. Title text is what xkcd uses and is shown as a tool tip-like bubble when images are hovered over.<br />
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I would correct this myself but I saw no way to edit the main page. --[[User:Jillysky|Jillysky]] ([[User talk:Jillysky|talk]]) 14:21, 6 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:You actually don't need to edit the main page to fix it, as what's there is just a mirror (transclusion) of the actual content from the comic page, at [[Curiosity]], which is open for editing by anyone. Then again, the "alt-text" in that case is generated by a template, {{tl|comic}}, so that's where we should fix this. The template's code, however, is currently a terrible mess (sorry!), so I went ahead and took care of it. Thanks for catching that! --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 16:24, 6 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Ah? So it's wrong, for instance, on http://m.xkcd.com? because of that I took it for granted that we could call it the alt-text... - [[User:Cos|Cos]] ([[User talk:Cos|talk]]) 17:38, 6 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: Yes. If you look at the page's html source, you'll see:<br />
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id="comic"<br />
src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/curiosity.png"<br />
title="As of this writing the NASA/JPL websites are still overloaded. Trying CURIOSITY-REAR-CAM_[256px_x_256px].torrent.SwEsUb.DVDRip.XviD-aXXo.jpg instead."<br />
alt="Curiosity"></nowiki><br />
::(line breaks added for clarity) --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 23:54, 6 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::That was my error in the template. I knew "image text" that has been commonly used by Jeff was not techically correct, but I didn't actually go back and confirm it was alt text before I included that tag in the template. That's to Waldir (I believe?) for correcting the template. [[User:TheHYPO|TheHYPO]] ([[User talk:TheHYPO|talk]]) 14:14, 7 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== When the "official" transcript is wrong? ==<br />
I did [[903: Extended Mind]]. Interestingly, the transcript on xkcd.com is missing the bottom line "When Wikipedia has a server outage, my apparent IQ drops by 30 points." I assume we want a complete transcript, rather than whatever xkcd.com says it is...? [[User:Stevage|Stevage]] ([[User talk:Stevage|talk]]) 04:10, 17 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:We're focusing on the actual transcript of the comic, not the xkcd.com transcript. The official transcript is usually right, but even Randall makes mistakes sometimes. [[User:Davidy22|<span title="I want you."><u><font color="purple" size="2px">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><sup><font color="indigo" size="1px">22</font></sup></span>]][[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>(talk)</tt>]] 04:24, 17 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Milestone: half the comics explained!! ==<br />
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Hi all! I'm pleased to announce that we have just broke the 50% mark for xkcd explanations! The page that balanced the count (568 explained, 568 to go, at the time) was [[877: Beauty]], created 01:31 UTC, 21 November 2012 by [[User:Davidy22]]. Congratulations!! :D --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 03:10, 21 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:The caterer's been called! The punch will be arriving soon! Go [[User:Davidy22|Davidy22]]! [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:53, 21 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::[[File:freedom.png]] Punch is served! [[User:Davidy22|<span title="I want you."><u><font color="purple" size="2px">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><sup><font color="indigo" size="1px">22</font></sup></span>]][[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>(talk)</tt>]] 07:11, 21 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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But the Main page says 407 explanations, 731 to go! What's up with that? --[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 21:00, 23 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Reverse? ==<br />
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Why in the Archive why are all the thing up until "Heatmap" in Reverse? Can someone please answer? [[User:Tmack3|Tmack3]] ([[User talk:Tmack3|talk]]) 08:28, 20 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Archive? Can you provide a link or screenshot? '''[[User:Davidy22|<span title="I want you."><u><font color="purple" size="2px">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><sup><font color="indigo" size="1px">22</font></sup></span>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 04:43, 19 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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http://xkcd.com/archive/ [[User:Tmack3|Tmack3]] ([[User talk:Tmack3|talk]]) 08:28, 20 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, that's because the comic right after that, rtl, has a right-to-left character in it that flips all the proceeding text. '''[[User:Davidy22|<span title="I want you."><u><font color="purple" size="2px">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><sup><font color="indigo" size="1px">22</font></sup></span>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 00:13, 20 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Ah, ok, i see that now. When I 1st saw that RTL I just thought that it was random letters, thankyou for explaining it for me. [[User:Tmack3|Tmack3]] ([[User talk:Tmack3|talk]]) 08:28, 20 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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It also depends on what browser you are on because on Google Chrome it was normal. [[User:Tmack3|Tmack3]] ([[User talk:Tmack3|talk]]) 09:08, 20 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Do you think this question was asked by one of the xkcd people? ==<br />
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090301060752AAtYugc [[User:Tmack3|Tmack3]] ([[User talk:Tmack3|talk]]) 08:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Matthew Reilly ==<br />
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I would just like to tell everyone that I asked Matthew Reilly (the author) if he is ever scared that a velociraptor is going to attack him, and he said NO! He clearly needs to start worrying about them! [[User:Tmack3|Tmack3]] ([[User talk:Tmack3|talk]]) 10:45, 22 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== What can we learn section ==<br />
First of all I love your work. I believe deeper understanding of each XKCD can make a world a better place and I thank you sincerely for starting this webpage. I wanted to ask what you think about "What can we learn?" section I've been adding to some of the pages. Thank you - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 13:27, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:This site is actually the work of multiple editors working slowly and steadily to fill in explanations for all the old comics. Some of the xkcd comics are incredibly deep - comic [[956]] is such a poignant comic that digs into the DRM issue on so many levels. Your reflections on many of the comics are very much warranted and you're helping us create talk pages with high-quality opening posts, which is great for future discussion on this wiki. It'd be nice if you could refrain from putting headers in talk pages, technical limitations of the wiki make long explanation pages choke when headings are in the discussion page. Other than that, keep up the good work! '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 13:42, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I've put in my 2 cents to comic [[956]], and thank you for teaching me how to comment and link to other comics - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 13:58, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, and the guy who draws xkcd is called {{w|Randall Munroe}}. So many glowing things to be said about him. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 13:44, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, I can't thank him enough for simplifying complex issues to funny stories, I think it's exactly what our generation needs - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 13:58, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I'm in favor of a Mr. Rogers style of 'what lesson can be learned' on the talk page, but make sure your comments don't come across as sanctimonious and holier-than-thou as that can be really off-putting. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 19:06, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: You are absolutely correct, I have not thought of that, please trust me I did not do it on purpose. Thank you Mr. Lcarsos - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you David, and I apologize that I've not made it clear that by your work, I do mean your collective work (the wiki is only as good as all the people behind it). I was trying to put the headers to allow others to find the section easier in case they start looking for it, perhaps I could make a suggestion to make it a standalone section so that others would be encouraged to contribute their own understanding of lessons they have noticed from each comic. I know the lessons I've seen, but I would love to learn from others as much as I hope they can learn from me and Mr. XKCD, thank you. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 13:48, 28 February 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=954:_Chin-Up_Bar&diff=29287954: Chin-Up Bar2013-02-28T17:21:50Z<p>E-inspired: /* Trivia */</p>
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<div>{{comic<br />
| number = 954<br />
| date = September 21, 2011<br />
| title = Chin-Up Bar<br />
| image = chin_up_bar.png<br />
| titletext = Those few who escaped found the emergency cutoff box disabled. The stampede lasted two hours and reached the bottom three times.<br />
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==Explanation==<br />
[[Black Hat]] is blocking traffic on {{w|Escalator#North and South America|the longest escalator in the country}}, the escalator in the {{w|Wheaton (WMATA station)|Wheaton station}} in {{w|Washington D.C.}}'s {{w|Washington Metro}}.<br />
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An {{w|escalator}} is a motorized stairway. Black Hat installs a {{w|chin-up bar}} at waist height. Chin-up bars are typically capable of holding up a 300 pound (130 kg) person without moving. Being at waist height makes it hard to duck under, and hard to hurdle. Either way, on a crowded escalator during a high traffic period, avoiding the bar will be extremely difficult. The first people would probably stumble backward to avoid it, which would collide them into the passengers behind them, creating a {{w|domino effect}} all the way down. Of course, as the escalator continues to move people forward, but the wave of falling people is moving backward, its {{w|Theory of special relativity|apparent speed}} will be slower than it actually is.<br />
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That is the joke in the title text, that over two hours the wave can reach the bottom only three times, whereas if this were a simple staircase the event would only last once and be over as quickly as people can fall down.<br />
The people that actually made it to the bottom were unable tue the emergency shutdown because Black Hat disabled it.<br />
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==Transcript==<br />
:[Black Hat is standing on an escalator as it ascends. He is carrying a pole with what looks like a bracket on each end, resting on his shoulder. In front of him is Ponytail, and in front of her is a punk with spiked hair and pimples. Behind Black Hat is Cueball. Behind Cueball is a man wearing glasses with a goatee standing next to someone with short hair.]<br />
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:[The view closes on Black Hat and Cueball. In the background a girl can be seen standing on the descending escalator.]<br />
:Cueball: This is a long escalator.<br />
:Black Hat: 70 meters. Longest in the country.<br />
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:[In the background the girl from the last panel has now passed the group and a few other people can be seen descending.]<br />
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:Cueball: Why're you carrying a chin-up bar?<br />
:Black Hat: Why aren't you wearing a hat?<br />
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:[The view opens up a bit more to show the two riders ahead, and the two behind.]<br />
:Cueball: I'm not really a hat person.<br />
:Black Hat: And I'm not really a Not-carrying-a-chin-up-bar person.<br />
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:[Close up on Cueball]<br />
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:[The view opens up to show the same people in the first panel. They're near the top of the escalator now and Ponytail is beginning to step off.]<br />
:Cueball: Seriously, why did you bring it?<br />
:Black Hat: How should I know? I'm not a psychologist.<br />
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:[As Black Hat steps off the escalator he turns and installs the chin-up bar such that it blocks people from leaving the escalator, about waist height. Cueball turns to observe what Black Hat is doing.]<br />
:''Twist''<br />
:''Click click''<br />
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:[They get onto the descending escalator. The man with glasses and a goatee and his companion are blocked from leaving the escalator by the chin-up bar.]<br />
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:[The next panel is large.]<br />
:[The view shows an extended section of the escalator, the top right has become a pile of people all squished together and on top of each other. One person has grabbed another by the hair and is standing on a third person in an attempt to not fall. Someone is falling off the pile and another person is running down the escalator to avoid them. People closer to the bottom of the escalator are looking horrified at the scene ahead of them. In the background hat man and his companion are visible. Black Hat is looking toward the bottom of the escalator, not caring or noticing the chaos unfolding. Cueball looks back pensively.]<br />
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==Trivia==<br />
*It would appear that the goatee'd man behind Cueball has been seen before as the Psychologist from [[435: Purity]]. It would also seem that the person he is with might be the Sociologist from that same comic.<br />
**If it is the psychologist, he should have been able to diagnose why Black Hat was carrying a Chin-up bar.<br />
**And I think he's a physicist, getting a lesson about applied physics. Sometimes you guys are not as smart as you think, we can always use a new lesson (Thank you Mr. XKCD) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 17:21, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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[[Category:Comics featuring Ponytail]]</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:435:_Purity&diff=29286Talk:435: Purity2013-02-28T17:06:34Z<p>E-inspired: </p>
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<div>See Comte's hierarchy of the sciences from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_three_stages his law of three stages]: Mathematics; Astronomy; Physics; Chemistry; Biology; Psychology; Sociology. --[[Special:Contributions/24.85.241.128|24.85.241.128]] 07:20, 3 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Shame it leaves out Engineering running parellel to all of them - maybe Engineering is just too busy getting shit done? {{unsigned|2.121.172.39}}<br />
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- What can we learn from this? - Actually as an Engineer I have a different view point to 2.121.172.39. We are implementers of original ideas and a few of us are lucky to be original idea generators. As a successful full time Engineer I still find time to be a philosopher and aspiring teacher (who simply didn't want to be poor, which is hard to do when specializing in the other two professions). How ever I do keep asking myself often who wrote the laws that mathematicians and theoretical scientists keep re-discovering for us... - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 17:04, 28 February 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:435:_Purity&diff=29285Talk:435: Purity2013-02-28T17:04:17Z<p>E-inspired: XKCD's unexpected life's lessons.</p>
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<div>See Comte's hierarchy of the sciences from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_three_stages his law of three stages]: Mathematics; Astronomy; Physics; Chemistry; Biology; Psychology; Sociology. --[[Special:Contributions/24.85.241.128|24.85.241.128]] 07:20, 3 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Shame it leaves out Engineering running parellel to all of them - maybe Engineering is just too busy getting shit done? {{unsigned|2.121.172.39}}<br />
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- What can we learn from this? - Actually as an Engineer I have a different view point to 2.121.172.39. We are implementers of original ideas and a few of us are lucky to be original idea generators. Ad a successful full time Engineer I still find time to be a phylosopher and aspiring teacher (who simply didn't want to be poor, which is hard to do when specializing in the other two professions). How ever I do keep asking myself often who wrote the laws that mathematicians and theoretical scientists keep re-discovering for us... - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 17:04, 28 February 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:954:_Chin-Up_Bar&diff=29283Talk:954: Chin-Up Bar2013-02-28T16:46:21Z<p>E-inspired: XKCD's unexpected life's lessons.</p>
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<div>I know the Wheaton Metro station and its escalator very well (I live about 5 miles from there). There are several issues with the comic.<br />
*There isn't a convenient place that the panels showing diagonal motion (1-6 & 10) can be shown from. The entire escalator set is in a solid tube through the rock. I guess that it could be done from the *third* escalator.(See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheaton_(WMATA_station) ) (This would be with (viewed from the bottom, the center going up, the left going down and the right either not moving or going up)<br />
*There are emergency cut off boxes both at the top and the bottom of the escalators.<br />
*There is a kiosk about 40 feet from the top of the escalator staffed by an employee next to the fare gates.<br />
*In panel 9 there are two raised disks between the up and down escalators. While this is true in some of the other escalators, the ones for Wheaton are very close together and there is only one column of raised disks.[[User:Naraht|Naraht]] ([[User talk:Naraht|talk]]) 16:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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- What can we learn from this? - That not all of the facts in XKCD comics are right, and some are outright exaggerated (thank you Mr. Naraht). I personally learned that life will keep hurting me on purpose until I figure out how to help myself (Thank you Life and thank you Mr. XKCD for this lesson). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 16:46, 28 February 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:324:_Tapping&diff=29281Talk:324: Tapping2013-02-28T16:40:53Z<p>E-inspired: XKCD's unexpected life's lessons.</p>
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<div>- What can we learn from this? - I've learned that even when we are bored, we can still find lessons all around us. Such as a lesson in variable density of any surface (in this case, wood) and a new method of entertainment (thank you Mr. XKCD). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 16:40, 28 February 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspiredhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:324:_Tapping&diff=29280Talk:324: Tapping2013-02-28T16:40:25Z<p>E-inspired: Created page with "- What can we learn from this? - That even when we are bored, we can still find lessons all around us. Such as a lesson in variable density of any surface (in this case, wood)..."</p>
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<div>- What can we learn from this? - That even when we are bored, we can still find lessons all around us. Such as a lesson in variable density of any surface (in this case, wood) and a new method of entertainment (thank you Mr. XKCD). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 16:40, 28 February 2013 (UTC)</div>E-inspired