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Some of the posts in Finally Garden is up on xkcd where originally posted on the Talk page for Jack and Jill, below the section about why this comic was not already up on April 1st. The Finally Garden is up on xkcd section was moved here, because this was made after the comic was up, but before this page was created... Kynde (talk) 12:11, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

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[edit] Finally Garden is up on xkcd

It is here the comic we have been waiting for, and it seems it is a April fool comic although it first came out past midnight in all of the US except Hawaii...
I do not know when it will be on this page but for those impatient...
Loading screen shot
It says to Relax, while it loads, but it will eventually get to a barren land with a growth lamp that can be moved:
Starting point screen shot
The lamp can be moved and change color.
Red Lamp selected screen shot
It may be there will be something growing if we wait long enough?
And there will be more lamps and new items:
Three Lamps and birdbath screen shot.png]
Yes he is messing with us for sure but at least not by not making a comic :-) --Kynde (talk) 09:46, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
I succeeded to get a small plant, but I'm not sure how. --162.158.86.167 10:16, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Try not to cover everything with every light wavelength. I'm sure you get different plants with different wavelengths:
Lots of growth.
Moved the picture links to the image page, and inserted direct links to the images instad. It took up too much space. Kynde (talk) 12:04, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Also, I've noticed a constant cpu usage, indicating some kind of number crunching. The script's name "linden" reminded me of linden dollars and crowdsourcing bitcoin mining with javascript, but afair linden dollars were never mined nor based on cryptography. -- Xorg (talk) 10:30, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
"Linden" is probably a reference to the Linden trees, a genus (Latin name Tilia). It would make more sense than a reference to dollars, at least. 162.158.135.57 12:14, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
My first thought were Lindenmayer systems --198.41.242.240 16:29, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Ok, it's *moving*. The leaves wobble in the wind. That explains the cpu usage. So far I have seen the following images: asdfx2=""; for (asdfx in garden.linden.imgCache.imgs) { asdfx2 += asdfx+" "; } asdfx2

"http://xkcd.com/1663/art/background.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/talltrunk-2.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/shrub-8.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/wavyplant-3.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/turtle-1.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/shrub-6.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/birdbath.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/cactus-2.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/trunk-6.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/branch-11.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/branch-18.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/woman-1a.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/branch-21.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/rover.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/leaves-7.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/leaves-6.png " -- Xorg (talk) 12:10, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

For those who are in https (with firefox for example) and don't see the "comic", there is mixed content. Click on the padlock on the up-left corner, then on the arrow, then "disable the protection against not secure elements" (or something like that). Seipas (talk) 11:32, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

The comic is finally here! ... but it won't load on my computer. Does anybody know what the problem might be or how I can fix it? Soad Kraken (talk) 12:45, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Does not load (continually Loading...) on IE/FF/Chrome for me (in UK, non-https, ad-blockers turned off) any ideas? 141.101.98.114 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Loads for me in Chrome, but then every time it refreshes, it resets the lamps to the default (one lamp in center). Removes the ones I added. Does this happen to anyone else? Vixy (talk) 16:51, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Did someone try the debugmode?

http://xkcd.com/1663/?debug#YourCode

It also logs data in the console Magno (talk) 12:51, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Doesn't work even in HTTP at all. Both Chrome and Firefox fail to load the content due to CORS: "EventSource cannot load http://linden.xkcd.com/run. No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource. Origin 'http://xkcd.com' is therefore not allowed access. The response had HTTP status code 500." 141.101.80.31 16:37, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Post new images here: 1663: Garden/Screen-shots. Anyone know what happens to the site, it looks really weird and it is difficult to use the site now. Kynde (talk) 13:52, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Ah I can see there is a community post about this already. Kynde (talk) 07:22, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] April Fools?

What's the evidence that this is an April Fools comic? I think that the April Fools joke this year was the absence of a comic, and all the silly excuses about it when it was never coming. JoDu987 (talk) 15:48, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

It's interactive. April Fools comics are always interactive. Normal comics rarely are. Mikemk (talk) 16:52, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
I would rather say that it is also an april fool's comic because it came late. But first of all it has the pointless but time consuming concept of user input resulting in a comic that has no joke in it self, or at least only user made. Second the comic is rather complex and doesn't seem to work on all browsers. I cannot make it work on my explorer at home, but it did work at my office. It seems likely that he has worked very hard t make this work. When he then had problems with it Friday, he may have taken the chance of using April 1st to make excuses that people could read as being an April fool's joke. But neither way, he tells in the status updates that we are awaiting a complex comic, and in the end he said that the Friday comic (from April 1st) would come Sunday evening, and it did, so this is Fridays comic and thus also April the 1st's comic. Kynde (talk) 18:52, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Oddly, IE is the only browser I could get it to work on. Mikemk (talk) 22:41, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
The April Fool's Joke is lost on everyone here so far. Let me explain. You have 3 lamps you are allowed to use max and 3 different colors you can use max. That means there are a total of 7 possible colors you can use to grow things in your garden (red only, yellow only, blue only, red+yellow, red+blue, yellow+blue, and red+yellow+blue). If you are OCD, like me, you will work to position the lamps in such a way that all possible combinations are available at different positions on the ground. However, it cannot be done or if it can I have yet to find a way! I believe that is why the title text says "Relax". Because he knows the challenge will drive people crazy trying to find the solution. Maybe there is one but I think the April Fool's joke is that there isn't a possible solution but people will spend lots of time trying anyway.R0hrshach (talk) 16:33, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
I updated the explanation with this information but apparently someone didn't like that and just removed the entire paragraph without any alternate explanation. Oh well...R0hrshach (talk) 17:23, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
This doesn't sound likely to me. It is impossible to do what you describe, and I would think "Relax" refers to the slow growth rate of the gardens. KangaroOS 18:18, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
And also it is possible over time because you can move the lamps. By the way there are more than three colors. There are also white and other hues in between red and yellow and red and blue. So there are many more combos. Kynde (talk) 22:30, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
I agree that "Relax" can have multiple meanings but the fact that you are limited to 3 lamps and 3 primary colors bears significance to me. Or why not let you spawn in 4 or 5 or 6? I also think the April Fool's joke can refer to the fact that gardens are meant to be relaxing but instead you will be left tending your garden and working to achieve all possible combinations. The opposite of relaxing.R0hrshach (talk) 03:43, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
There are many more colors than three. White Yellow Orange is not the light yellow you start out with. And there are deeper shapes of orange before turning red and similar it goes from Blue to White. I have tried 9 different color settings between blue and red, links can be found down in the middle of the table here, and since all nine are clearly different, I will now try to set the light in between those nine for additional eight settings. This has been tricky but I'm now positive that the settings are different for all 17. I will soon post the next eight links the same place, in between the other 9. Of course these gardens are then almost created a day later so this has to be taken into acount when comparing the growth. Maybe this time there will be some gardens that are exactly the same type (not the same), but if not it means there are too many combinations to check, as if there where not already that. Kynde (talk) 14:55, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Mobile

Like many of the dynamic comics, Garden doesn't interact well with mobile devices, but I have found a workaround for this one. On my Android tablet, going to m.xkcd.com/1663 gives me a page where I can manipulate the lights - tap once on a light to reveal the handles, tap in whitespace to hide them - but the landscape and growth are not rendered.

But, as I manipulate the lights, a string is appended to the URL; if I replace the initial m with www while preserving this string, I get a page where the landscape and growth are displayed. But from this page, I cannot manipulate the lights. But it does appear that the string includes enough information to prevent "losing progress", as several iterations of swapping between the mobile and desktop URLs retained all existing growth. Therefore, some level of timestamp information may also be included in the composition of this string. 108.162.216.73 14:18, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Actually, it doesn't look like the URL changes when I move the lights after all. So now instead I'm guessing it's more of a unique identifier or something. If two people both use the same string, will one person's act of moving a light be reflected by the other user refreshing their browser? 108.162.216.73 14:33, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Resets

Resets occur sporadically, because they are actually happenning when there was a connection_error event in the WebWorker. The "game" is continually contacting the server (linden.xkcd.com) and is resetting the page on the connection errors. The fact that this resets the progress is probably a bug. --DukeBG (talk) 16:52, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

It seems to reset the light placement and settings too, not just the plants in the garden 162.158.210.238 07:06, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Linux

Anyone else NOT able to get it to work on Linux. Tried Chrome, and FF, both with all extensions disabled. Linux Mint (like Ubuntu). Constantly says "Loading..." 162.158.214.217 17:23, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


You're not the only one. Running Unbuntu 12.04. Opera displays "Loading ..." for over 30 minutes. Firefox finishes loading and I can add and tweak lamps, but nothing grows. 108.162.218.59 19:32, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Works fine with chromium on gentoo. 162.158.83.156 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

I had the same problem with Firefox on Ubuntu 15.04. However, reloading the page fixed it. Maybe it's got something to do with caching, or maybe it just only works with some chance. 141.101.104.92 11:02, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

trying to use chromebook - garden did not load, finally checked-again (today/fri) and it loads/grows ok... but, apparently i cannot see the text to prove i am not a bot to provide edits... (edit: well, here i can, just not in experimental-garden... maybe just a fluke...) 108.162.215.67 15:45, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Available "plants"

I've got a Megan so far. Are we going to try to compile a list of what things will grow in the garden? --KingStarscream (talk) 19:06, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Oversight on my part. Apologies. --173.245.52.64 19:18, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions for the explanation

What is missing and what would be interesting. And how can you help... Add it here below, maybe even with subheadings. Kynde (talk) 14:18, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Possible items

  • Someone has made a list of images of items that can be found on xkcd and seems to be complete.
    • Can anyone say for certain if it is complete now?
      • And can we be certain no new items appear? Anyone who can check this?
    • Can someone easily download all the images?
  • Kynde (talk) 14:27, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Got a Megan on stilts (http://xkcd.com/1663/#9ed4d584-fb59-11e5-8001-42010a8e0009). Could not find in the list, but did not know, how or where to add it. 162.158.85.177 10:15, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
The forum speculates that additional images are being automatically unlocked after some delay. Balloon huge and Owl seem to have first appeared yesterday. The Platform column series now appears under some blue lighting. The debugger lists filenames in the console. .42 (talk) 19:08, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
How do people find these images, I mean where do you get the addresses? Please keep posting new links to new items on the link above. We should try to collect them for the explanation when we later actually find out what this was all about (apart from fooling us to sped time watching grass grow, and relax :-) Kynde (talk) 14:16, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Ah I did not understand .42's comment at first, but I now found that following the link to his (really cool) garden above (in Firefox) and pressing F12 and then going to console the names of each image item is listed (and how many of each are in the image). Thanks. I have now uploaded all 195 images (well fou was uploaded), to the page with images of items. These can now be used in the explanation. (PS .I have this great garden to the user gardens. Kynde (talk) 11:21, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Urls

  • Post urls here.
  • Seems like the urls are not quite understood.
    • What I have found so far is that the urls do not change after you load a garden. Even if something grows or if the lights are moved.
    • If you save the url to begin with it will stay the same.
    • But if you load the url later then it is a view only image.
      • The questions are if the garden that an url refer to can be manipulated by the original user, to change what others see later even though they have the url.
      • My gardens reload to often to really have a chance to test this. But the url I posted yesterday (now used as example) under explanation of permalinks kept developing after I copied it and closed the garden down.
  • Kynde (talk) 14:27, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
I have understood it much better now, and the explanation has been changed to the way it work. Urls are still interesting to see how peoples gardens develop, but they are not permalinks, so only screen shots will be useful to guide the explanation.I have taken lots already of peoples posted interesting gardens, before they became overgrown or the interesting part might get deleted by the owner of the garden. Kynde (talk) 21:42, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before, but Cueball can look like he's holding items if they grow on his outstretched hand. http://xkcd.com/#8d526e44-fb49-11e5-8001-42010a8e000c 162.158.38.207 10:03, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

It has not directly. More that it can grow on other things. Nice garden. I'll put it in the url section and post a screen shot with the twig on Cueballs hand. Kynde (talk) 15:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Title text

The "Create new light" and "Remove selected (delete key)" icons have their own title text. I don't think anything else does though. 141.101.98.74 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Great thanks. Had not noticed. Added this to the explanation now. Kynde (talk) 21:26, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Colour mapping

  • Yellow light grows plants and birdbaths, but so does a combination of Magenta and Cyan light.
  • Magenta light grows cacti and turtles. Yellow light does not seem to affect this.
  • Cyan light grows octopuses.
  • Yellow light plus Cyan light grows office furniture.
141.101.98.74 (talk)  (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
Great it would be nice to see some garden urls or screen shots, especially of the furniture, which I haven't seen yet. Kynde (talk) 21:29, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
I've noticed that blue + yellow sometimes yields really tall tress. 162.158.255.103 17:00, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
I made a garden with GUID f31fe17a-fb3f-11e5-8001-42010a8e000d to show the effects of mixing Magenta with either Cyan or Yellow. Interestingly on the left there are no cacti, only wavy plants and turtles, and I see a couple of birds have recently arrived. Meanwhile on the right you see something much like a regular Yellow garden, with trees, shrubs and bird baths with ducks. My second garden has GUID 6ebc8e04-fb50-11e5-8002-42010a8e0014 where I wanted to see the effect of mixing Cyan with Yellow. The pure Yellow section has a regular garden, the pure Cyan section an octopus farm, while in the middle we have what I can only describe as a white section, where I have a couple of desks (but sadly no lamp), balloons, bunnies, cats, a plant pot, and even an obelisk. --141.101.98.74 19:15, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Bird 5

What's in the beak of Bird 5? It reminds me of 614: Woodpecker, but it's something different. --162.158.86.167 07:29, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

It looks to me like a mobile phone with charger cable attached 141.101.104.174 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
Yes that might be it, I had thought a mouse with a USB cable... By the way great spotted with the woodpecker. Beret Guy is also in this comic. This is why we need a table of items to make such observations. But who will do it ;-) Kynde (talk) 15:29, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


[edit] Lost gardens after new comic

Have others lost access to changing their garden after Wednesdays comic came out? Even though I can find it via the new link (as described in the trivia section) then it seems I can no longer change anything and just has to see my gardens develop on their own. That would be a shame. If everyone experience this, then it may be fixed? Kynde (talk) 15:51, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Same here. New gardens are editable, however. 162.158.255.103 17:16, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
I hope this gets fixed cause my garden needs some pruning... Palmerito0 (talk) 17:32, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
I still can adjust the lights and prune but my gardens do not seem to grow any more... Time limited activity or maximum objects, clicks ??? Wed Apr 6 22:20:24 EDT 2016
I have seen such issues too. I used a garden to create this color map. And that garden I can actually still change here almost a day after, but at the time I post this link nothing had grown... On a more sad note the other garden which I just became so fond of when I saw it earlier today on another computer is again lost to me, and I cannot prune it. This really sucks. I'm now trying to make three new gardens in three different browsers to see if I will continue having this problem... :-( Kynde (talk) 15:09, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Yes today I could prune the gardens I started growing yesterday. Hope it will stay this way. Was getting afraid the garden had to stay open all the time to keep it running and with all the cpu it uses that would not have worked for me. Great that it at least works today. Kynde (talk) 14:05, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Requires light on ground?

I created a garden (GUID 5fad7434-fba3-11e5-8001-42010a8e0009) in which the lights are directed upward, but nothing has grown. This would seem to indicate that even the "flying" objects are "grown" from a particular piece of ground. 108.162.217.191 22:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC)mathuaerknedam

Flying objects have invisible riser elements that grow first, such as http://linden.xkcd.com/art/bird-riser.png -- 108.162.219.4 01:59, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Yes see this example with light only above ground, and many more like it here 1663: Garden/Users gardens Kynde (talk) 15:48, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Not working...

I'm on Mac OS, and I have tried 3 different browsers with no luck loading this. It works fine on my phone, but Firefox, Chrome, and Safari on my laptop all hang at the loading screen. If i click on a link with a specified UUID in it (from this page for example), it goes into a refresh loop. I've tried clearing my cache, and using incognito on chrome. Anyone have any ideas? 108.162.246.115 03:03, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Videos

Some people have recorded videos for Youtube. .42 (talk) 13:00, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Memory issues

The article claims that the memory issues have been fixed. However, as of April 17, I'm still seeing the memory usage of the process in Chromium steadily rising - is the memory usage being fixed part just incorrect? Skimming through the source cited, I didn't see anything saying it was fixed, but if it was there, I probably missed it. 173.245.54.91 22:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

The memory issues probably relate to how each browser and operating system handles many static images drawn over each other. It's surprising that Chromium would have problems, since Google uses a more complicated version of this for everything. Software that tries to be too clever might store every frame expecting that it can always recover an image from memory faster than it can redraw a particular canvas state. They might also just be bad at garbage collection.
I've noticed Firefox seems to have trouble with increased zoom. Zooming out might reduce the amount of leaking image data. .42 (talk) 01:52, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Apparently there have been outstanding issues with images leaking memory in Chrome for over three years. .42 (talk) 02:06, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Eventually I realized this must be a misunderstanding of the note about the giant image bug being fixed. When I wrote that, I meant the fix seemed to be so drastic that it simultaneously caused memory problems. It appeared that linden.js had tried to process something unusual and briefly exploded. Afterward the original images began to replace the cached double-size images. .42 (talk) 13:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

The stilt girl seems to be disappeared (as an image) but things placed on her head are still visible. Floating cats and owls everywhere. :D 162.158.83.120

[edit] Has growth almost halted?

It seems that the growth rate has decreased dramatically to the point where many new gardens seems barren. Yesterday, two weeks after the release, I started a new color experiment, like the one started a few days after the original release (See One lamp one color). See the new gardens at the bottom of the table in the locked garden section of user gardens. I made 34 new gardens in one go and most of them are still completely bare after almost two days. And only five have more than 2 items in them. The growth rate is far less than one item for each "garden hour" (i.e. if all the 34 gardens hours are divided up into the number of new items!) But this seems like it has begun even before these gardens (as the 6 growth speed gardens started on April 11th above these new 34 also displayed lack of growth). I wondered if everyone else experiences the same? Maybe Garden was only for the first two weeks. Also nothing new has appeared since the last boost with all the Linsangs, fish and large birds. Kynde (talk) 11:10, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

I saw much less growth yesterday. Currently trees seem to grow most quickly.I think the server has a lot of other work sometimes, which slows down garden processing. I haven't been able to view more than six gardens at the same time; how do you watch 34? .42 (talk) 13:04, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
I do not watch them simultaneous. I just stated 34 gardens at the same time (started one garden copied the link clicked away to the next comic and then back to repeat the process). Then I pasted all the links into the table I linked to above. And the first 1½ days almost nothing happened, in many gardens not a single thing had grown. I will check again now about 3 days after the initiation. See my result in the table. But if this is general then the comic literally stops being interesting. Start a new garden and come back in a week to see two things... Great we tried it during the first 2 weeks then. Kynde (talk) 19:51, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Solution:
I have noted that new gardens where the link is saved but not left open seems to no longer sprout anything. But by leaving the garden open in a browser will then trigger growth (relatively rapid). Tried it with several gardens, where nothing appeared for several days. Then I left one garden open (by chance) and when I came back an hour later it was full of growth where none was before after two days. Tried it with the other gardens to see the same. Maybe there where too many gardens running, and to make anything happen for those who actually tried to sit and watch and relax, this change was invoked. Because in the beginning gardens grew a lot even if you never looked at them. Kynde (talk) 08:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Header text

Has anyone noticed that the header text hasn't changed back from "Protip: If you don't like how your garden is growing, you can click to prune it. Copy the URL to save/share (garden will be view-only from other browsers.)" to the usual message: "XKCD updates every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday."? Should/could anyone alert Randall or the site's admin? 141.101.102.205 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

We do not have anything to do with Randall - we just try to understand and explain his comics. I think he still like to keep peoples attention to the Garden comic. But I agree it is weird he hasn't changed it so it only displays on that comic by now. He has a few other comics that has different headings than the main page. Kynde (talk) 19:53, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
And now it has changed back somewhere between the 22nd (before the Friday comic came out and Sunday 24th). See updated Header text after release section. Kynde (talk) 20:34, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
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