938: T-Cells

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'We're not sure how to wipe out the chimeral T-cells after they've destroyed the cancer. Though I do have this vial of smallpox ...'
Title text: 'We're not sure how to wipe out the chimeral T-cells after they've destroyed the cancer. Though I do have this vial of smallpox ...'

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Ambox notice.png This explanation may be incomplete or incorrect: Expand on HIV, and how Cueball (left) was able to guess, unsaid, that they patched the genes with HIV. Why was it a fun conversation? (Some of these may seem obvious, but they are important for an explaining wiki)
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This is a cancer and leukemia related comic. Two characters are having a discussion about a new trial in cancer treatment. A trial is done to test a proposed treatment on a select group of patients before approval for the wider patient group.

In this case, the two characters are talking about a trial in which immune cells are taken out of the patient's body and genetically modified. The modified cells are able to both attack the cancer cells and to replicate very quickly. However, to make these genetic changes inside the cells, they used HIV as the vehicle to introduce these new genes as it is specialized in invading and modifying immune cells. HIV is good for this because HIV attacks your T-cells and slowly kills off your immune system. If HIV was used as a vector (molecular biology) to introduce a trait into your T-cells it could express a trait to hunt tumors and since it is already good at changing your T-cells it would be well-suited to this task.

Basically, this treatment seems to replace one terrible disease with another terrible disease. As the title text says, they don't know how to get rid of the modified T-cells after they remove the cancer. And the last part of the title text is a joke, in which the doctor suggests yet another disease, smallpox, to inject into the patients body. This is similar to the little old lady who swallowed a fly where each time she puts some other animal in her body to get rid of the last one and eventually she dies. This is akin to that as you have cancer so you put super strong T-cells modified by HIV to get rid of them but then you have HIV so you get smallpox to kill those, and so on.

Cueball possibly could have guessed this because he is familiar with biology according to this comic and one of the most common diseases that attacks T-cells would be HIV.

The treatment described remains experimental, controversial, highly expensive (because it requires customized set of alterations for each individual cancer), and has had some promising results along with some mixed effects: see this summary in science magazine.

[edit] Transcript

[Two people are standing facing each other, having a conversation. One is holding a laptop.]
Cueball (with laptop): What's the deal with this leukemia trial? {{Citation: Nejm, Aug 10, 2011}}
Friend: Gotta wait and see.
Friend: Helping the immune system attack tumors has been a longtime research target.
Friend: Lots of promising leads. Often they don't pan out.
Cueball: What'd these guys do?
Friend: They took some of the patient's T-cells and patched their genes so they'd attack the cancer. That hasn't been enough in the past but their patch also added code to get the T-cells to replicate wildly and persist in the body.
Cueball: Which worked, but created its own set of problems?
Friend: How'd you guess? But I think the craziest part is the way they insert the patched genes.
Cueball: How?
Friend: Well, think - What specializes in invading and modifying T-cells?
Cueball: Seriously?
Friend: Yup. Must've been a fun conversation.
[The last panel is set in a doctors office. A patient is sitting on the observation bed talking to their doctor.]
Patient: Ok, so I have blood cells growing out of control, so you're going to give me different blood cells that also grow out of control?
Doctor: Yes, but it's ok, because we've treated this blood with HIV!
Patient: Are you sure you're a doctor?
Doctor: Almost definitely.

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Does anyone have a link to the actual article? Or possibly a proper citation? (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

I have added such a link in the explanation. Unfortunately, you have to subscribe to the magazine asterisked in the comic, so the link goes to another one. It also helps to Google "nejm aug 10 2011". Anonymous 04:51, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Trial appears to have been a success, although the patient now has no B-cells and thus a compromised immune system (will need regular gamma globulin transfusions and the like). 16:54, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Looks to be this article here [1] and [2]. I'll stick with chemo, thanks. 16:36, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I know it's a joke, but just in case people are taking this seriously, this is worth a read. [3] The key word should have been "lentivirus", not "HIV". The T cells were modified using a heavily altered lentivirus derived from HIV. The virus shouldn't be referred to as HIV, though it makes for some great headlines. 20:40, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Before WWII there was an succesful method of curing syphilis with malaria (malariotherapy). Maybe a reference141.101.96.217 11:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. I had heard a "story" some time ago that disease brought to higher latitudes from newly discovered tropical countries laid waste to myriads due to the fact that the climate was cooler. Maybe it was related to the lack of suitable pathogens in the communities.

I used Google News BEFORE it was clickbait (talk) 13:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Isn't "HIV virus" redundant? 02:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, yes it is. Anonymous 20:25, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Am I allowed to put a more in depth explanation of HIV in the explanation and how it could be used to modify T-cells?XFez (talk) 13:54, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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