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Can someone explain more explicitly what "improve the resulting paper's properties" means?  What properties are changed and how does that change represent an improvement (sturdier, whiter, easier to fold, easier to get ink to bind to it, etc.)? [[User:Djbrasier|Djbrasier]] ([[User talk:Djbrasier|talk]]) 20:54, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 
Can someone explain more explicitly what "improve the resulting paper's properties" means?  What properties are changed and how does that change represent an improvement (sturdier, whiter, easier to fold, easier to get ink to bind to it, etc.)? [[User:Djbrasier|Djbrasier]] ([[User talk:Djbrasier|talk]]) 20:54, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
  
Generally for reductive bleaching for improved brightness in the pulp and paper industry.  Often used but not as a rule after a peroxide (oxidative) bleaching step to get several more ISO points of brightness by reducing chromophores.  Datasheet from one manufacturer: http://www.montchem.com/MontBrite1240.pdf
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Generally for reductive bleaching for improved brightness in the pulp and paper industry.  Often used but not as a rule after a peroxide (oxidative) bleaching step to get several more ISO points of brightness by reducing chromophores.  Datasheet from one manufacturer: http://www.montchem.com/MontBrite1240.pdf {{unsigned ip|173.245.52.194}}
  
 
Wouldn't Mr. Pedantic suggest Black Hat's question to be "... REDUCING YOUR MORTGAGE BILL."? Would've made more sense to him given Black Hat's explanation. [[User:NerillDP|NerillDP]] ([[User talk:NerillDP|talk]]) 00:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 
Wouldn't Mr. Pedantic suggest Black Hat's question to be "... REDUCING YOUR MORTGAGE BILL."? Would've made more sense to him given Black Hat's explanation. [[User:NerillDP|NerillDP]] ([[User talk:NerillDP|talk]]) 00:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

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It's a chemical reduction. Here's the wiki link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reducing_agent199.27.133.109 04:25, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

This needs more help by a professional chemist... And I need to go to work... So if anyone continues clarification work - thanks, else I'll do a little more after work/afterwardsTier666 (talk) 05:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I tried to clear up some things, but I am not a chemestry expert either.. --Flai (talk) 06:31, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Hints (just looked into lit a little bit): NaBH4 would not really reduce the paper (make it vanish by reducing the cellulose to something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbitol ) but may reduce (and so "vanishing") the ink: http://www.jeb.co.in/journal_issues/200911_nov09/paper_05.pdf http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/de-gruyter/degradation-of-cellulose-by-sodium-borohydride-b1EI17tyhs --> You can use a little bit of NaBH4 to make whiter paperTier666 (talk) 08:15, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Google Sodium Borohydride + Paper and the majority of results are based on its use to bleach the pulp during manufacture. A quick search doesn't yield any obvious results on the effects on printed paper. --Pudder (talk) 09:10, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Look at that! My chemistry degree comes in handy for once! NaBH4 is used for lots of reductions in organic synthesis. The fact that he is using it on paper (an organic substance) doesn't seem to add to the comic in my opinion. NaBH4 is one of the strongest reducers, so I think it's more of an archetypal reference rather than a specific reference. My two cents. Also I fixed the explanation of reduction. 173.245.54.169 09:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

If Black Hat is having trouble oxidizing the bill, might I suggest chlorine trifluoride? 108.162.216.105 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Or you can try the infamous Dioxygen Diflouride... [1] 199.27.133.136 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Can someone explain more explicitly what "improve the resulting paper's properties" means? What properties are changed and how does that change represent an improvement (sturdier, whiter, easier to fold, easier to get ink to bind to it, etc.)? Djbrasier (talk) 20:54, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Generally for reductive bleaching for improved brightness in the pulp and paper industry. Often used but not as a rule after a peroxide (oxidative) bleaching step to get several more ISO points of brightness by reducing chromophores. Datasheet from one manufacturer: http://www.montchem.com/MontBrite1240.pdf 173.245.52.194 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Wouldn't Mr. Pedantic suggest Black Hat's question to be "... REDUCING YOUR MORTGAGE BILL."? Would've made more sense to him given Black Hat's explanation. NerillDP (talk) 00:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC)