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== X11 Title Text Explanation ==
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== Comics featuring real people ==
  
In my absence was it finally decided forever and always how title text explanations would be handled? I can't find a discussion in the Community Portal, if you have a link I'd be interested to come up to speed on the current editing policies. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 22:44, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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Hi Dgbrt. I saw that you deleted the Category: Comics featuring real people from [[1536: The Martian]]. I may tend to agree with this decision. But the "real" people in that comic was the mentioning of Matt Damon, which was why I did not delete it myself. I just made a comment about this here on the [[:Category talk:Comics featuring real people|Talk: Comics featuring real people]] page because I think people use this category in two ways. I'm not sure which way would be more correct. Shall the real-person be part of the comic or is it enough just for hem to be mentioned in the comic. In other featured people categories it is enough for them to be mentioned. See for instance [[:Category:Comics featuring James]]. Maybe that category is also wrongly used/named though? It could have been called something other than featured. (Mentioning James). I'm open for both interpretations of these categories... --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:54, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
:A BIG problem is here still that there are NO editing policies in general. I'm just following the main "feel and look". In standard explains the title text is just at the bottom of the explain, and trivia goes after transcript. You are an admin here and maybe you should talk to [[User:Davidy22]]. In general I think that X11 still needs a better layout. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 23:11, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 
  
::Ok. I had wondered about that. My personal policy, when I was an active editor a year ago, was once a title text explanation is longer than 2 paragraphs it should get it's own subsection. I'll have to get a dialogue started with Davidy about it once more.
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== Subsections ==
  
::So you know, the English phrase is "look and feel". I know English isn't your first language, I just wanted to correct you on that. If I tried typing in German, I'd probably embarrass myself, and you'd have to help me.
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Let's go to the talk page, then. [[User:Xhfz|Xhfz]] ([[User talk:Xhfz|talk]]) 15:36, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
  
::[[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 23:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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Note that you were the one who began destroying the sections. That's violent, too. [[User:Xhfz|Xhfz]] ([[User talk:Xhfz|talk]]) 15:42, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Sorry, I was just working on a proper layout. Pro-Tip: Use ctrl+f ;) . And all was beginning when you were destroying my layout at the transcript. I don't agree on that. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 15:48, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
  
:::I'm happy about your latest actions here! And of course I did mix it up, it's "look and feel" and a translation of my former mistake could lead into some problems. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 01:13, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
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== [[:File:land mammals.png]] ==
  
== [[1052]] ==
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I would like to use it for my blog. What are the terms of use? -- Maria [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.222|162.158.114.222]] 21:22, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
  
Think you may have marked this as complete a smidgen early - it needed a bit of cleanup, and a few more tweaks (the joke about theology wasn't explained, really). I've done it now, though.  [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.235|141.101.99.235]] 16:40, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
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== Making discussion pages ==
:You are welcome to enhance this explain, but in general it's not incomplete any more. If you feel the explain is still incomplete just add the tag again and provide a reason. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:02, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 
::Eh, I got it. It was just a couple little things - the Ontological Argument joke, and such. I suppose, though, that "I had intended to do more work on it" isn't really an argument against removing it, is it?  [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.235|141.101.99.235]] 18:26, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 
:::And I'm very happy if you still can enhance this explain. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:30, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 
  
== Cthulhu and Azathoth ([[1040]]) ==
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I've recently restricted page creation for new users, which means that sometimes new users can't make a discussion page. Could you make the bot make empty talk pages for new comics as well? I'll push something to your git repo soon, right after I'm done with finals. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 08:52, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 
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:Hi [[User:Davidy22]], I'm sorry but mail notification didn't work. Please give me a reply here so I can see if the notification works. And tell me, if there is still a need to change the BOT. If so, it will be available by Friday. But before that I will create a comic named "dgbrtTEST" and ask you to delete it.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:44, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
I can only presume you haven't read Lovecraft, but those are the best known sealed-away gods in modern literature. Cthulhu is supposed to live in the extreme depths, Azathoth beyond time, surrounded by insane pipers. They're a far better explanation than the Harry Potter one which is far, far more tangental - it sings in a bath, and contains nothing that could escape - but you're leaving in.
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::Alright, will do. The changes are probably still preferred. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 19:50, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
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:::Thanks for your reply, mail notification is working again. I will do the changes and let you when I've done the test.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:02, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
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:::The update is done. I've done some local tests and I'm happy with this. At [https://github.com/dgbrt/explainXKCD_update github] you can see the current script with some more changes I've done in the past.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:36, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
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::::Should it already work on todays [[:Category:April fools' comics|April Fools' Day comic]]? (I'm really looking forward to that). It will be great when it does, cool that you take the time to work on the update. I have spotted a couple of times recently where someone has either [[Talk:1653: United States Map|waited in anticipation]] for the discussion page to be created, have used the explanation to [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=1659:_Tire_Swing&oldid=115473 post what should have been a comment] and even once had a user [[User_talk:Kynde#Please_create_the_discussion_page_for_today.27s_comic.|writing on my talk page]] to get me to create the page for them to use. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:02, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
  
I doubt there's a precise reference being made to ''anything'' in the comic, but Cthulhu and other Lovecraftian Gods are the overwhelmingly likely inspiration. Unless someone has a better explanation. I suppose one could discuss The Abyss as well. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.235|141.101.99.235]] 11:27, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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While I'm still waiting for the next update to give me a prove to my successful update on talk-pages, Randall gave us this April fool:
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:The xkcd April 1st comic is currently experiencing technical difficulties.
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:Status update: Please stand by.
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:Status update: This is fine. Everything is fine.
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:Status update: Everything is on fire.
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:Status update: Searching for calendar systems in which Saturday is April 1st.  
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It seems Randall is on serious problems. But I'm happy about this honest message.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 01:24, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
  
:I disagree, this comic contains only REAL things. This is NO horror fiction. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:58, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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Only for my own documentation, the current schedule is this Sunday night. My BOT keeps an eye on this. Randall says:
::The door at the bottom of the Marinas Trench is real now? James Cameron really released something on the world because he was distracted by its beautiful music? I think you've missed the actual context of the specific discussion. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.235|141.101.99.235]] 11:36, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
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:The Friday xkcd comic is currently experiencing technical difficulties [Editor's note: Everything is on fire] and has been delayed until Sunday night.  
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But since this will not be a standard comic I don't know what my BOT will do.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:55, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
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::Hi Dgbrt, yes that was some kind of April Fool's joke he came up with there. But what about your bot afterwards. Seems like Davidy22 created the page for todays comic manually? Has you changes broken the bot? [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 16:27, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
  
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==Transcript and other features==
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Hi Dgbrt - hope this is not going to be TL;DR? :-)
  
== Downtime ==
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I take further discussion on our part regarding transcript to your page, because I think we have written enough on my talk page on transcripts. If any one else will continue that discussion there that's fine, it would also be nice to have input from someone else than just us two and Zetfr.  
Next time you see errors, could you post the output of [http://explainxkcd.com/cdn-cgi/trace this link] somewhere? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 08:09, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 
:I will do so, but currently there are no problems. It's working great. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 08:19, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 
::Actually, could you get me the output to that file currently for now? And again in the future if downtime ever does occur. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 09:13, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 
:::Currently I'm on a leased line at a different provider than at home. But I will document my dynamic DSL connections and provide some information here soon. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 09:36, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 
  
Here we are, I'm online here via "webproxy.ca" right now. My route from Germany to explainxkcd stops somewhere in Chicago (Illinois) in the US [http://www.geoiptool.com/en/?IP=69.22.139.202]:
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I can see that you have been quite active this year, as compared to the last half year before (and also with a long break before that?) Will you have time to be more active from now in general? Welcome back anyway ;-) Just took a month and a half of [[User_talk:Davidy22#Wiki_continuity|complete break]] from Explain xkcd my self up until just after this New Year.
  
traceroute to www.explainxkcd.com (108.162.198.131), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
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I believe we got of on a wrong foot, both long ago I think, and also just now when I was annoyed at you for writing on my page regarding transcripts (and the TL;DR comment). So I'm really happy how our [[User_talk:Kynde#Transcript_TLDR.3B|transcript discussion]] went in the end, and thanks for the last comment from earlier today. And as I said there I did not read all you refereed to before answering the first couple of times, sorry again for that.  
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4  80.157.128.230 (80.157.128.230)  20.428 ms * *
 
5  xe-1-1-3.r20.frnkge04.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.221)  24.298 ms  25.328 ms  26.540 ms
 
6  ae-1.r23.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.3.179)  34.319 ms  17.730 ms  17.855 ms
 
7  ae-1.r03.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.147)  18.859 ms  20.572 ms  21.711 ms
 
8  xe-4-0-5.ar1.ams3.nl.nlayer.net (69.22.139.202)  21.740 ms * *
 
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And WHOIS gives me this result (excerpt):
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Nice to hear from Zetfr as one who really uses the transcripts. When I first found this page it took me some time to appreciate the importance of the transcript.  
Domain Name: NLAYER.NET
 
Registry Domain ID: NA
 
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
 
Registrar URL: www.enom.com
 
Creation Date: 2002-12-25 17:52:16Z
 
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2014-12-25 22:52:00Z
 
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
 
Registrar IANA ID: 48
 
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse at enom.com
 
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252744500
 
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
 
Registry Registrant ID:
 
Registrant Name: GTT ICT
 
Registrant Organization: GTT
 
Registrant Street: 8484 WESTPARK DR
 
Registrant City: MCLEAN
 
Registrant State/Province: VA
 
Registrant Postal Code: 22102
 
Registrant Country: US
 
Registrant Phone: 1. 1.7034425500
 
Registrant Phone Ext:
 
Registrant Fax: 1.
 
Registrant Fax Ext:
 
Registrant Email: ICT@GT-T.NET
 
  
At this time I even don't get an error message, my browser is loading... and loading... What is it? I'm reaching the US from Germany but then it stops. A Proxy from Canada works well, what the hell??? NSA or CIA or what? Maybe a Webhoster outside of the US would be better. 22:33, 25 January 2014 (UTC)~ dgbrt
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I know you have much more knowledge about what's possible with computers as your [[User:DgbrtBOT|DgbrtBOT]], which is great, shows me. (And thanks for adding [[#Making discussion pages|creation of discussion pages]] to it). Also I like the way you made the [[:Category:Explain mentioned by Randall|Explain mentioned by Randall]] category. That is great. Cool that I made that happen by finding it for [[Payloads]].
:Uh, it'd be nice if you could also post the results from the link I posted. We kinda need that for troubleshooting the actual server issues. And if you could do it via the setup that you suffered the server issues under, that would be helpful. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 09:05, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 
::I don't think this is helpful, you just see my proxy is located in Toronto:
 
fl=15f13
 
h=explainxkcd.com
 
ip=192.95.59.247
 
ts=1390768261.007
 
visit_scheme=http
 
uag=Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0
 
colo=DFW
 
spdy=off
 
::Much more important is this. My route to this site still stops somewhere in the US (69.22.139.202)
 
traceroute to www.explainxkcd.com (108.162.198.131), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 
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5  xe-1-1-3.r20.frnkge04.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.221)  25.018 ms  25.705 ms  26.915 ms
 
6  ae-1.r23.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.3.179)  40.023 ms  18.255 ms  17.291 ms
 
7  ae-1.r03.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.147)  18.708 ms  19.898 ms  26.766 ms
 
8  xe-4-0-5.ar1.ams3.nl.nlayer.net (69.22.139.202)  22.642 ms  23.760 ms  25.257 ms
 
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::And uhh, I can't reach your link from home. Just because I cannot connect this site without a proxy. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 
:::More important: '''My BOT will not work''' until this is fixed. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:22, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 
::::Try using Google DNS. That looks like an ISP issue. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 22:46, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 
  
Holy crab, I'm back from a three day business trip. I did figure it out, it wasn't an ISP issue at all, it was just a remain at my local configuration attempting to avoid former problems. I was looking on this problem everywhere, but not at my own manual overwrites. Shame on me, Human Error. But this error is still much better than a BOT Error; so I'm hoping my BOT will behave on Friday again like it should do. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:50, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
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Maybe we should try to write a dedicated page on what the transcript on Explain xkcd is for; who may use it for reading comics; who for understanding other parts of the comics; and why they make sense regarding searching for specific things, not necessarily mentioned in text or our explanation. Something that could be referred to when people ask about transcripts, and also to explain why we should not just use a transcription of Randall's transcript for several reasons (naming of characters for instance) and because all text should be included for normal length comics, and at least all text in the extended transcript for huge comics (this was also what Zetfr suggested). Those type of full transcripts could also be mentioned there. As well as link to explanation of Randall's own transcripts.
:My crab, ehh.. bot should perform as before. My sweet eight legged animal did fail, caused by some former chaos here. I'm hoping that future updates will perform as before, even if an update is late. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 23:26, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 
  
== Original transcripts ==
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I have recently added lots of info on xkcd's design on the [[xkcd]] page. But it became cluttered (TL'DR :-) so I have created two new pages from that info here: [[Design of xkcd.com]] and also the [[Transcript on xkcd]] I just mentioned above. The page for "our" transcripts could thus need one called ''Transcript on Explain xkcd'' like I also mentioned above.
  
Where can I find the original xkcd transcripts? <small>[[User:MrGameZone|0100011101100001011011010110010101011010011011110110111001100101]] ([[User talk:MrGameZone|talk page]])</small> 23:32, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
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I think keeping track of history and deviations on the main page etc. is important and fun for some people. But of course it should be hidden away for those that search for it, and not in "your" face, when all you wish to know is what [[Chess Notation|chess win-los notation]] is.
:Look at the HTML source. There is a DIV-tag named "transcript", often, but not always Randall provides a hidden transcript here. And sometimes there are deeper information, helpful for explain.
 
:I'm using Firefox and the Add-On "Stylish" to show me this content at the comic page itself. The code is:
 
@namespace url(<nowiki>http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml</nowiki>);
 
@-moz-document domain("xkcd.com") {
 
    #transcript {
 
        display: block !important;
 
        font-variant: normal !important;
 
    }
 
}
 
:--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:19, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 
::Thank you, now I can see the transcripts. <small>[[User:MrGameZone|0100011101100001011011010110010101011010011011110110111001100101]] ([[User talk:MrGameZone|talk page]])</small> 18:56, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 
:::I'm happy if I can help. And shame on me, I did forget to sign my former post.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:19, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 
  
== Undo button ==
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Cheers --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:13, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
The undo button gives you the version of the page prior to the edit that you hit undo on. When you disagree with one part of an edit, hitting the undo button reverts everything else as well. Don't default to the undo button unless you're absolutely sure that the entire edit is bad. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 00:14, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 
:I'm using the Undo Button only when I do know what I do delete. That's similar to an update here, I'm still trying to avoid an "edit conflict" here. But some actions here don't make me happy here, I don't know if my actions here are welcome. I don't need a thanks, but the latest GIFs were done by my BOT — that main table would not work without my work. My Undo is mostly done on an another Undo without any given reason, if there was a reason I do reply in a proper manner.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 00:30, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 
::There's been a fair few cases in the past and with this particular case where you've defaulted to autoreverting an edit when the edit button would have sufficed. Disagreements need not be made personal; it is possible for a disagreement to occur without assuming insult. I track recent changes for vandalism/peacekeeping/comment signing duties and while I don't tend to interfere that often with daily happenings, I have noticed that a healthy portion of arguments have included you. Swearing isn't a strictly appropriate response to a user removing an incomplete tag or rewriting an explanation, even if you strongly disagree with it. try to avoid defaulting to arguing. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 03:28, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 
:::Uhh, I'm back after two days — no time... I don't know if I can check all the recent changes, but I will give a try on the most important ones. The 1331 Frequency table is the first. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:57, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 
  
== Übersetzungen in Deutsch - Translations to German ==
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:oohh, start reading... (check timestamp)--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:13, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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:...pending...
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:....ready. Answering all the questions will take a little bit longer. (check timestamp) --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:20, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
  
This is a call for help (in German and English):
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For further discussions I will divide my answers to several headlines.
:DE: Ich versuche die Startseite mit allen Templates zu übersetzen, ist nicht einfach und vielleicht gibt es ja Leute die helfen können.
 
:EN: I'm trying to translate the main page into German — including all that templates. That's not an easy task, but maybe someone can help.
 
--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:27, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 
  
== When ==
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===dgbrt stopped posting here and only continued supporting dgbrtDOT for a proper page generation and all what belongs to this issue===
Hi Dgbrt. This is just a question for my personal curiosity. After seeing [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Randall_Munroe&diff=58669&oldid=51439 this edit], I started wondering whether the use of "when" in that sentence was due to you being a native German speaker. I'm asking because I follow a blog by a Dutch guy who also uses "when" all the time, in sentences where it would make more sense to use "if" instead. Does the equivalent to "when" have extra meanings in Dutch and/or German, outside of the English time-based meaning?<br/>
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I was often annoyed when I mentioned that texting should be short as possible. Huhh, I was censoring content... Everybody can say everything... So I felt like what Randall mentioned in many comics (youtube comments, you name it...). Even many explains are TL;DR and sometimes really OFF TOPIC. And most of that content belongs to only one user: Kynde. Sorry, but now I figured out your edits did not annoy only me. This just an honest answer from me. More technical discussions shouldn't run this way; I will open separate subsections for those. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Cheers, [[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 23:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
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:Just like to add that I'm not the only one who writes more than other people think is needed... See the latest [[1800|comic]] and it's [[Talk:1800: Chess Notation|discussion]]. I have only added the categories for that one... I was thinking the same as those two last comments, but after reading your answers here I did not wish to join in that conversation. :/ --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:52, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
:Hi Waldir, "if" is more a question about an issue while "when" is more about time. I'm not native English but I'm still trying to learn — Google gives me "if" as "indien" in dutch, and "when" as "wanneer". Since I do know {{w|Plattdeutsch}} I do know many funny misunderstandings belonging even on this simple word. A hurt in English is a pain, in Dutch it is a "pijn", but in German the word "peinlich" doesn't match this meanings at all. I'm doing mistakes on understanding languages, but I still have many fun on exploring. Don't know if (<-NOT WHEN) I did answer your question. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 23:46, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 
  
: Although "when" is "wenn" in German and "if" is "falls", it is very common to use "wenn" for both meanings. Therefore, many Germans (including me) tend to use "when" even <del>when</del><ins>if</ins> they mean "if". Although I don't speak Dutch, I know that it is very similar to German, so it might be the same issue. --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.254.196|108.162.254.196]] 14:57, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
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===Transcripts===
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A transcript is perfect when someone who doesn't know the image is reading this ''feels'' the same as someone who simply looks at that picture. Is that possible? NO! Look at a picture showing some clouds... What do you see? The same as me? NO! Can you describe all the differences we both see? NO! So, not the cloud shape is important, it's just a cloud. If there is some importance on the shape it goes into the explain section. (I have no specific comic in mind on this). --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:14, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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===[[xkcd]] page and more===
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I mentioned this to [[User:Davidy22|Davidy22]]. You should talk to others here before editing those essential pages! If I've seen this by the time you edited this a simple UNDO would have been my reaction. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:24, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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===Keep it compact===
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Did I miss some essentials?--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:31, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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:Hi Dgbrt. I have read your comments. Thanks for the input. I do not have anything specific to say at the time. Sorry you feel like this though.
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:I have one question not related to the above. What happened to your new category? I can see Davidy deleted it. Sorry about that. I liked the idea. I did not have time to look at your other finds. If it is not a big trouble for you I would appreciate if you wrote the numbers on the comic here (no links needed). --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:32, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
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::Hi Kynde, the reason given by Davidy22 was: "Mangled category name, and we don't make categories based on things that aren't in the comics." I wonder why the second criteria doesn't fit to the three LiveJournal categories. And I'm sure there are more "categories based on things that aren't in the comics". Nevertheless the comics are:
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::*[[1571: Car Model Names]]
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::*[[1555: Exoplanet Names 2]]
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::*[[1509: Scenery Cheat Sheet]]
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::*[[1491: Stories of the Past and Future]]
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::*[[1488: Flowcharts]]
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::*[[1461: Payloads]]
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::*[[1446: Landing]]
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::--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:52, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
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:::Thanks Dgbrt. I think his first point is valid, but that would have been easy to fix. Maybe he just did not care to do so? I really think it is relevant, and considers posting these in the trivia of the first and linking from the others to that trivia. And on Randall's page we could make a note saying that although he has nothing personal to do with this site, he has acknowledged its existence at least seven times. Although it has not been out in the open but only behind the scenes for those who really study the comic. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:38, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
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::::PS Just posted a comment to [[User_talk:Davidy22#Oversized_texting|your thread]] on Davidy's page. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
  
::Using "when" is often a {{w|false friend}} used by Germans, like I did before. In German "wenn" means "when", "if", and more in English; so you have to care about those different words in English. I'm still happy to learn more about the English language, in general it's believed to be more simple than German. But in my opinion this just means that English is much more precise and shorter. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
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== #1811 ==
  
::: Thanks guys for the explanations, they were both enlightening and amusing! I just want to clarify that sometimes it ''is'' acceptable to use "when" in English to refer to a general condition rather than a strictly time-based one (as it seems to be the case in German), but the distinction may be subtler/stricter than in German. [http://english.stackexchange.com/a/35164/10804 This answer] explains it well, I think: "If you say 'when' something happens, you imply it definitely will happen, even if the precise timing is unknown. You use 'if' when (!) there's uncertainty about whether the event will happen at all." --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 17:24, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hi Dgbrt,  
  
==Thanks!==
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I was editing the page and had different views in the READ and EDIT - in the EDIT, everything was on the right place, but the page didn't fit.
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I suppose there were some editing overlaps?
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I'll try again tomorow.
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gute Nacht :-) --[[User:LaVe|LaVe]] ([[User talk:LaVe|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
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:Thanks for your message and good night... And stay tuned, my poor Nerd Sniping victim.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:25, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
  
Hi! Despite our slight disagreement regarding the alt text explanation over "Purity", I did want to thank you for going over some of my edits and cleaning them up. The link format here is slightly different than what I'm used to, and it screwed me up. As well, I tend to overuse parenthesis. Don't feel bad about proofreading my edits - I do appreciate it.
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==Uploading corrected comic image files==
  
If you're confused as to my objection over Purity, I've left a note on the talk page for that comic explaining why I feel what existed before is not sufficient. [[User:Jetman123|Jetman123]] ([[User talk:Jetman123|talk]]) 13:12, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
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Dgbrt,
:I appreciate your thanks. My answer on that specific title text is here: [[Talk:435: Purity]] --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:47, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 
  
== German translation ==
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Thanks for helping out a newbie like me. Earlier today I attempted to upload an updated image for #1796. It didn't go as smoothly as I expected, so I hope you can tell me if I was doing it correctly.
  
A translation isn't easy at all, my local German page is still mostly in English. It's not easy to figure out the important tamplates, but I did some more enhancements — if the general page does work, the remaining work only belongs to translation (not easy at all).
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First, I downloaded the updated png file from xkcd to my system. Then I clicked on the on-screen image to access the "File:" page, then clicked on the upload link to replace the png file with the one I downloaded. After selecting the image file and adding a short description, I uploaded the new image file. The File: page showed the new image revision in the history table, but opening the new image file from there just returned the old version, even despite me refreshing the image in my browser. Thinking I had accidentally uploaded the old version, I reverted my update. I then looked at the downloaded image file, which was the new version.
  
I think we should start this soon, and because even German people do know English as well there is no need to translate it all. Sometimes just a hint gives a shot. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:05, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
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At this point, I was confused - maybe using my tablet to upload the image from my server resulted in the tablet uploading a local temp copy instead of the remote server file. So I repeated the upload from my laptop, hoping it would work correctly this time, but got the same result.
  
== Your Undo ==
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I then left a note on the Talk page for 1796 to find out if I was making some rookie mistake and left it for the time being. Now, I see that the corrected image file is being displayed. I don't know if an admin corrected the problem behind the scenes or if this is a case of caching preventing the updated image from being used until some expiration period had passed. Do you have any insight for me? --[[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 21:16, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
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:Sorry I'm late. My answer is here: [[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht talk]] --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 12:24, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
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::So it was a cache problem! Maybe the upload screen could contain a note to that effect so new uploaders like myself know to give it time. --[[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 12:52, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
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:::Nice idea but it's not easy to change a standard template from MediaWiki. And I don't have access to this files on the server.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 13:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
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::::Nonsense! It's trivial to edit a standard template in MediaWiki. Just edit [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]]. You can find the appropriate page to edit by going through http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:AllMessages&dir=prev&offset=Userrights-unchangeable-col.  Note that MediaWiki pages can only be edited by [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop sysops/bureaucrats], but they don't need login access to the server to do it. [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 02:11, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
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:::::As I've told, I don't have access to this. I suggest you add an admin request here: [[explain_xkcd:Community_portal|Community portal]].--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 08:22, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
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:::::If you have a concrete suggestion for the note, please tell, I might add it then. --[[User:SlashMe|SlashMe]] ([[User talk:SlashMe|talk]]) 19:08, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
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::::::Thanks [[User:SlashMe|SlashMe]] for your support. The known problem is that an update for a picture will result in the same URL which is already in the cache at the server cloud. Only when that cache is expired (maybe hours - I don't know) the update will be visible. So the text could be like this:
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::::::*INFORMATION FOR UPDATES: Please be patient after uploading an update. When your upload is shown in the history everything is fine but the former version is still stored in the cache and shown to everybody for a while.
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::::::Any better idea?--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:53, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
  
On my talk page, you undid my deletion of a user's message. The reason I deleted the message in the first place was that it wasn't meant for me in particular, but meant to be placed in the discussion for [[1351]]. One reason I think that this was meant to be in that discussion is because this is a) the first time metamaterials were mentioned in xkcd (as far as I know); b) the user said "can anybody link" in their message, asking anybody in particular to help. I doubt people check my talk page for a discussion of an xkcd; and c) I did not start, nor join, nor end any discussion about metamaterials and their validity.
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== Editing others' markup ==
  
So... I'm just asking if you consider it valid to delete it, or if, in your opinion, I should leave it there (I have already added their (exact) words to the discussion for the comic, so that is already there). {{User:Grep/signature|22:33, 04 April 2014}}
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Dgbrt: Please stop editing other people's markup and removing it, as you have so far done twice to me in [[Talk:1850:_Air_Force_Museum]]. If you think there's something wrong with boxes, perhaps that is an OK opinion to have, but please state it. Don't make unilateral changes. And where the markup has important semantic significance (as it does here!), removing it is not acceptable. You could perhaps have replaced it with something else. But removal? No. And you did not use an edit summary. That's not OK, use an edit summary to explain yourself when you are changing someone else's work. I will revert your change again. But I don't want to edit war, but it is simply untenable for you to go changing the meaning of a comment I have made on a talk page. That misrepresents my thoughts and ideas and is not OK. Stop! (p.s. above, in the other section, you made two claims. I refuted one of them, and you responded as if I had questioned the second one, which I did not. That's not a good argument style.) [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 13:52, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
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:Oh, I'm sorry. It looked like an editors error. Formatting like this is not common in a discussion section. In general bold and italic attributes are enough. Think about: Your post is not the only important one there. We also try to start a new section only with a semicolon to avoid a TOC an other side effects. And sorry again, I don't understand your "two claims" issue.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:58, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
  
:In general a discussion should not be deleted at all; I could do the same on this topic, too. Furthermore you do invite people to discuss, so just give them a kind reply. This even could be like -> here we go for further talks. But deleting that looks like ignoring this. Your user page proposes something different. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:48, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
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:: Thank you. It should not have looked like an editor's error if you were paying attention. And while that reasoning might have worked the first time, it just doesn't cut it the second time. Just look at the history:
  
::Ah. I understand your point of view, and I agree with it. Thanks! {{User:Grep/signature|19:04, 05 April 2014}}
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  13:53, 17 June 2017‎ [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]| [[Special:Contributions/JohnHawkinson|contribs]]) ‎ m . . (+1)‎ . . (Undo revision 141463 by Dgbrt (talk). No. See your talk. And use an edit summsary. And don't change other people's meanings.)
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  08:25, 17 June 2017‎ [[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]]  ([[User talk:Dgbrt        |talk]]| [[Special:Contributions/Dgbrt        |contribs]]) ‎ . . (-1)‎ . .  
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  01:48, 17 June 2017‎ [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]| [[Special:Contributions/JohnHawkinson|contribs]]) ‎ m . . (+5,176)‎ . . (Oops. Somehow restored an old version by mistake.)
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  01:47, 17 June 2017‎ [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]| [[Special:Contributions/JohnHawkinson|contribs]]) ‎ . . (-5,175)‎ . . (Restore markup removed by Dgbrt in 141375. Use an edit summary! The markup had meaning. Don't conflate my words with a quotation.)
  
==Categories for Lorenz==
 
Hi Dgbrt
 
  
Why do you think that obvious categories should not be displayed for Lorenz? See my comment on the talk page. I agree that no input text should give rise to caregories, but what is included in the pictures should. You seem to have accepted color, but Hairy is in most stories wheras only seven panels have colour!
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:: There was no slew of intervening edits. Reversion of your change was clearly explained in the edit summary, and cited you by name and your revision by number.
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:: Since you are a regular contributor here, you really should be using an edit summary every single time. I understand that the standards for wikis are relaxed here, because most editor aren't familiar with them and we want to make it easy for everybody, but you are an experienced editor so should be held to a higher standard.
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:: Your comment about "your post is not the only important one there" makes no sense to me. In this case the box carries the section, and I think it served as a useful frame of reference for all the subsequent discussion. I agree boxes aren't pretty, but they're cheap and easy. If there's some local convention of appropriate markup that would serve the same semantic role, I don't object. I'm sure we could do something nice with tables, but that's a lot of unnecessary work, I think.
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:: I'm aware that the wiki suggests sections should be "used sparingly." It doesn't give any guidance for that judgement. But it's disturbing to hear that you think the reason is aesthetic. That's a problem because sections have clear semantic meaning in wikis and not using them mean you cannot use semantic tools that understand them. If the feeling is that the section font is too big, the right answer is to edit the CSS and change the section font, not to say "don't use sections." Similarly for TOCs, I don't know what is wrong with a TOC, but you can suppress or move them for individual articles, or disable them globally, if that's the desired effect. Again, not a reason to not use sections.
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:: On the other hand, I didn't revert your conversion from a section to a semicolon/boldface, because it didn't have a significant effect on the meaning of my words, unlike your wholesale removal of the markup around the quotation.  Sorry I have gone on too long. [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 19:43, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
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:::Hey, I've removed one space (at the beginning of a line) at a comment page. And I said sorry. It's OK now. And when you want to discuss layout rules please talk to the admins at the [[explain_xkcd:Community_portal|Community portal]]. It's not my invention.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 23:11, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
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::::Sorry it was lengthy (once space—twice!). If not your invention, is there some documentation of these rules? Your talk page is the only place I've seen them (other than "sparingly"). [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 23:44, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
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:::::Sadly there is no guide, in the past I've just adopted many from admins (not many here these days) and others. So just check some other articles, you will see chaos but also a recurring layout. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 00:23, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
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:::::: I'm a bit late on my input on this but many of the standard practices in this wiki are not codified, they've been built from gradual consensus and precedent, occasionally we've written some of these out but the community isn't active enough for us to put all these unspoken guidelines into writing. Basically by reading a bunch of the previous comic pages and some of the edit reasoning of long standing revisions you should get a good idea of where the wiki stands. --[[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] ([[User talk:Lackadaisical|talk]]) 16:13, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
  
I would use the list below - please explain why not - preferably better than you have so far in the comments on edition or talk page. And also why you should make that ruling?
 
  
If you can explain I will stop asking about it. But as of now it was the text below I was ready to add. (I may agree to removing a few - like because the light saber is not ennough for SW...)
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== wgUseInstantCommons ==
 
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$wgUseInstantCommons = true; has been added to LocalSettings.php. --[[User:Jeff|<b><font color="orange">Jeff</font></b>]] ([[User talk:Jeff|talk]]) 00:41, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Best regards
 
[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:39, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 
 
 
 
 
<nowiki>[[Category:Dynamic comics]]
 
[[Category:April fool's comics]]
 
[[Category:Comics with color]]
 
[[Category:Interactive comics]]
 
[[Category:Comics featuring Hairy]]
 
[[Category:Comics featuring White Hat]]
 
[[Category:Comics featuring Cueball]]
 
[[Category:Boomerangs]]
 
[[Category:Computers]]
 
[[Category:Dinosaurs]]
 
[[Category:Pokémon]]
 
[[Category:Dreams]]
 
[[Category:Pokémon]]
 
[[Category:Politics]]
 
[[Category:Star Wars]]
 
[[Category:Sharks]]
 
</nowiki>
 
 
 
:Hi Kynde, thanks for your question before starting an edit-war. If your read my comments at my edits you can see that I don't like this massive category block, just because many more categories had to be added when a new picture is found. Finally we would come up with a category ALL.
 
:Most images resemble an excerpt of a former comic, this has to be explained. Even you do not avoid chaos because "Pokémon" is twice at your example. I'm looking for simple but straight forward explains.
 
:--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:12, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Hi Dgbrt.I have trouble understanding this sentence that you have used before: ''Most images resemble an excerpt of a former comic'' Can you elaborate or find a different way to say the same so I can follow.
 
::My example is a cut and paste from my former suggestions and the current - that you accept. So this explains duplicate entries. It would not be registered twice if I now how it works.
 
::Still you have not answered my questions to why colour is ok? I belive that if everything is included by Randall so should it here. But that is where we disagree.
 
::Is there a discussion/rule about when to include a category? And if we disagree who should then decide - are you a moderator of this wiki?
 
::Not to include Hairy is weird! Just saying... [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::Hi Kynde, at my first sentence I tried to explain that most images here at this comic are copies from former comics.
 
:::Including every category belonging to this comic images would result in a bottom line filling up half of the screen - finally nearly every category had to be included. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:21, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 
::::Can you identify all this stories pics as refering to a previous commic - more than you could for any other commic? Then it should be in the explain as you say. But appart from the shark's and the ref to the previous commics title text on blowtorch I can't spot this. So please help with this. As there are almost a thousand comics I am still looking forward to read I can believe you - but would like to see the links.
 
::::It seems like there has not been added new themes for a while. In that case there would only be the 8 I have listed appart from the only three characters. (Corrected my list above to only include one Pokémon).
 
::::As the girl has a knit cap on, she seems very distinct - and is not Megan. Has she been seen before - else all pics with her is new. In that case I don't quite see your point. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 22:00, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 
 
 
Please do not edit former posts at the discussion page. Later adds would not make any sense to other readers. So, please keep the original and add a new one to the bottom here. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:22, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 
:OK sorry[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 02:58, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 
Back to your question, I know probably all comics and the pictures are in my mind. But I don't know all the comic numbers or names. Read all the thousand missing comics and try to remember them all; that's my struggle. Maybe Google image search could help. But it's still a bunch of work to find them all. And of course, not every picture belongs to former comics. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:22, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 
:I see - that makes sence. I have now put all images foun into categories (I'm indeed an aprils fool and I know it... :-) Hope this makes sence and can help make an almost complete explanation. Seems liek there are not that many new pictures comming along? The themes that equals categoriews should still in my oppinion be added as categories, but I know that you disagree.
 
:You have still not explained to me why your oppinion on this matter weighs more than others. Maybe there is a good reason (if you are a moderator of these pages?) or if others have the same oppinion - but where can I see that - so far only you comment on this issue.
 
:I will be away on a holliday with limited computer power, so if I do not answer you for a week it is not because I'm annoyed with your answers ;-) And as you will see I have not added any categories. Best regards [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 02:58, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 
::So I wish you happy holidays. But beside of that, I'm not an admin or moderator — I'm just an active editor here looking for standards and clear explanations. A reference to a big part of all comics doesn't make any sense and doesn't explain anything at all. BTW: Try to use a dictionary at your browser, your typos above are ugly. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:19, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 
:::It was written late one night on a tablet... Sorry :-) On another note - would you also recomend deleting all the categories of this earlier April fool's commic? [[1037:_Umwelt]] - I would not but it may be longer than what I suggested for Lorenz! There do not seem to be any new images appearing anymore - not since before we wrote the above. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:52, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 
::::The comic [[1037: Umwelt]] is different because there is a finite number of categories. Lorenz instead would probably end up with every category here, I don't think that this does make any sense. But a hidden category link could be a solution, the Lorenz page would not explode but there would be a link at [[:Category:Comics featuring Cueball]] to this Aprils Fool comic. Maybe that's a solution? --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:22, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 
::::: Well I do not think that the list of categories could be extended since I wrote to you first more than a month ago. There has not been found any new images so I do think Randall adds more. So it seems finite. All my suggested categories are based on what is in the images - not on what people has written when suggesting a line. Same for the Umwelt. And whi nows how many more versions of umwelt there are which are not acounted for. I do belive your fear for a long list is baseless. And the other BIG commics like [[1110:_Click_and_Drag]] has 14 - I only suggest 11. So to be consistentwe should either delete those or add my suggestions. I think I will do that soon- it makes sence...[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 12:21, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
 
 
 
== [[1330]] Strange Layouts ==
 
 
 
Hi. Wanted to take a crack at completing this strip, but I'm not clear on what needs to be fixed (besides the apparent Megan/Danish issue). What were you referring to when you wrote the incomplete tag? [[User:Castriff|Jimmy C]] ([[User talk:Castriff|talk]]) 15:12, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 
:Thanks for your hint. The tag was referring a fix, so I did remove it with some small changes. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:18, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 
 
 
== 1359 transcript ==
 
 
 
You introduced ambiguity into it by undenting it. Now the ["???"] can appear to come from [alarm goes off] rather than [beep beep beep beep]. Good job. {{unsigned ip|141.101.89.231}}
 
:Thanks for your hint, but the transcript looks better with only one indent unless there are similar indents at the image. The ways on the flowchart should be shown by text. So feel free to enhance that text. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 
 
 
 
 
==[[980: Money]]==
 
Why do you think that the transcript for Money should not include the entire text? This makes no sense at all? I did not include any details or explain, just an explain of where the text was located. This is done in numerous transcripts. I was actually ready to try to make a complete transcript over time - but you just killed the insensitive to that! Let me know exactly why I should not move it back - people may actually be interested in this transcript. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:44, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 
:The transcript gives an overview about the main content, but the details would be shown twice so I think the summary by Randall is enough. I did not delete anything, it's now just at the explain section. And it's much more important to enhance that section. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 
::OK - I may agree partially with you - although I always considered the transcript to be of all the text, so you could understand it, even if you had trouble reading it yourself. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 11:14, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 
::I was also considering doing a money transcript page like we have for Lorenz. Maybe the explain section could refer to that, so it would not be so incredibly long. If the headings I have made, were made in to subsections like Game consoles under dollars and Raising a child to age 17 under thousands etc. was on such a full transcript page, then each heading could be referenced from a table on the main page, with an explanation of this and that. And then if you wished to see the numbers and text, you clicked on the title of this part of the table. (Like for instance click and drag has for different parts of the comic.)[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 11:14, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 
::By the way. Where is this original transcript that I have seen people mention several times?[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 
::I have now made the transcript page for Money, and have finished the thousand section. The next two are much and much much larger. At least the trillions section is easy to do. I will do that next time I get some time [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 22:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 
 
 
== You win ==
 
It looks like we have been fighting each other.  I mean no offence, but most of the time the explanations you replace of mine are by no means better, I am sorry for the issues with spelling I have introduced, but come on, I restructured the entire articles. I know you hate spelling errors, but i hate incorrect over wordy and vague explanations. As my additions do not seem welcome by you (even though they are a vast improvement) I will bow out gracefully and let you do all the work.  I am sure you see this as no loss, and less work for you cleaning up after me, but honestly look at how you changed "1364: Like I'm Five" and say it is better? You win, you get more work.  In truth I was able to resolve all the issues on the incomplete tags for over 5 pages in 2 days. English is my first BTW, so I can tell if something is easy enough to understand. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.217.89|108.162.217.89]] 22:38, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 
:Dgbrt, I'm quite sure I said a while back that you should hold back from making language edits. Also, read before you delete hunks of text. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 03:06, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 
::@108.162.217.89: I did'n win, I'm more a loser here. If there are any issues here talk to me in detail at that specific page.
 
::@Davidy22: I do not delete essentials and I really do read it — but an explain still has to focus on the comic. This is not always the case.
 
::--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:26, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 
 
 
== DgbrtBOT ==
 
 
 
Did you receive code from Davidy22 regarding DgbrtBOT? He said he was going to send you a fix so that it would begin to categorize the images it uploads with each new comic image.
 
 
 
Also, is there any chance of using the bot to categorize some other images? For example, virtually all of the ones used by [[1190: Time]] need one. {{unsigned ip|Oneforfortytwo}}
 
 
 
:I screwed up and merged it into the last pending push by accident. There should be two commits under it; the second one is the one you want. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 09:50, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 
 
 
::My Bot can't do everything. Categorizing images is not easy for a bot — I can't see an issue on this. Please help me to understand. My bot can do everything but I'm still trying to be at the safe side; it's running every M/W/T while I'm sometimes not online. So any advice is welcome. But I still do not understand this issue, sorry. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:31, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 
:::[https://github.com/Davidy22/explainXKCD_update/commit/8d1634df7b90aee57f7cb7738c63d272f94bc804] '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 02:14, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 
::::Uhh, maybe I'm too old for this shit ;) The update is done and will become effective on next Monday.
 
::::But maybe I'm not too old, my bot can do updates to the former pictures. Any need?
 
::::--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 15:47, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 
:::::Since the picture upload today for [[1409: Query]] did fail this add is deactivated. And I got only an "Error code 3" which means: "An error returned by the MediaWiki API". I will do some tests to figure out the reason for this mishap. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Comics featuring real people ==
 
 
 
Hi Dgbrt. I saw that you deleted the Category: Comics featuring real people from [[1536: The Martian]]. I may tend to agree with this decision. But the "real" people in that comic was the mentioning of Matt Damon, which was why I did not delete it myself. I just made a comment about this here on the [[:Category talk:Comics featuring real people|Talk: Comics featuring real people]] page because I think people use this category in two ways. I'm not sure which way would be more correct. Shall the real-person be part of the comic or is it enough just for hem to be mentioned in the comic. In other featured people categories it is enough for them to be mentioned. See for instance [[:Category:Comics featuring James]]. Maybe that category is also wrongly used/named though? It could have been called something other than featured. (Mentioning James). I'm open for both interpretations of these categories... --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:54, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Subsections ==
 
 
 
Let's go to the talk page, then. [[User:Xhfz|Xhfz]] ([[User talk:Xhfz|talk]]) 15:36, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 
 
 
Note that you were the one who began destroying the sections. That's violent, too. [[User:Xhfz|Xhfz]] ([[User talk:Xhfz|talk]]) 15:42, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 
:Sorry, I was just working on a proper layout. Pro-Tip: Use ctrl+f ;) . And all was beginning when you were destroying my layout at the transcript. I don't agree on that. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 15:48, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 
 
 
== [[:File:land mammals.png]] ==
 
 
 
I would like to use it for my blog. What are the terms of use? -- Maria [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.222|162.158.114.222]] 21:22, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Making discussion pages ==
 
 
 
I've recently restricted page creation for new users, which means that sometimes new users can't make a discussion page. Could you make the bot make empty talk pages for new comics as well? I'll push something to your git repo soon, right after I'm done with finals. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 08:52, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 

Revision as of 00:41, 26 July 2017

See the history for more:

Comics featuring real people

Hi Dgbrt. I saw that you deleted the Category: Comics featuring real people from 1536: The Martian. I may tend to agree with this decision. But the "real" people in that comic was the mentioning of Matt Damon, which was why I did not delete it myself. I just made a comment about this here on the Talk: Comics featuring real people page because I think people use this category in two ways. I'm not sure which way would be more correct. Shall the real-person be part of the comic or is it enough just for hem to be mentioned in the comic. In other featured people categories it is enough for them to be mentioned. See for instance Category:Comics featuring James. Maybe that category is also wrongly used/named though? It could have been called something other than featured. (Mentioning James). I'm open for both interpretations of these categories... --Kynde (talk) 09:54, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Subsections

Let's go to the talk page, then. Xhfz (talk) 15:36, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Note that you were the one who began destroying the sections. That's violent, too. Xhfz (talk) 15:42, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I was just working on a proper layout. Pro-Tip: Use ctrl+f ;) . And all was beginning when you were destroying my layout at the transcript. I don't agree on that. --Dgbrt (talk) 15:48, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

File:land mammals.png

I would like to use it for my blog. What are the terms of use? -- Maria 162.158.114.222 21:22, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Making discussion pages

I've recently restricted page creation for new users, which means that sometimes new users can't make a discussion page. Could you make the bot make empty talk pages for new comics as well? I'll push something to your git repo soon, right after I'm done with finals. Davidy²²[talk] 08:52, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi User:Davidy22, I'm sorry but mail notification didn't work. Please give me a reply here so I can see if the notification works. And tell me, if there is still a need to change the BOT. If so, it will be available by Friday. But before that I will create a comic named "dgbrtTEST" and ask you to delete it.--Dgbrt (talk) 19:44, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Alright, will do. The changes are probably still preferred. Davidy²²[talk] 19:50, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply, mail notification is working again. I will do the changes and let you when I've done the test.--Dgbrt (talk) 20:02, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
The update is done. I've done some local tests and I'm happy with this. At github you can see the current script with some more changes I've done in the past.--Dgbrt (talk) 20:36, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Should it already work on todays April Fools' Day comic? (I'm really looking forward to that). It will be great when it does, cool that you take the time to work on the update. I have spotted a couple of times recently where someone has either waited in anticipation for the discussion page to be created, have used the explanation to post what should have been a comment and even once had a user writing on my talk page to get me to create the page for them to use. --Kynde (talk) 10:02, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

While I'm still waiting for the next update to give me a prove to my successful update on talk-pages, Randall gave us this April fool:

The xkcd April 1st comic is currently experiencing technical difficulties.
Status update: Please stand by.
Status update: This is fine. Everything is fine.
Status update: Everything is on fire.
Status update: Searching for calendar systems in which Saturday is April 1st.

It seems Randall is on serious problems. But I'm happy about this honest message.--Dgbrt (talk) 01:24, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Only for my own documentation, the current schedule is this Sunday night. My BOT keeps an eye on this. Randall says:

The Friday xkcd comic is currently experiencing technical difficulties [Editor's note: Everything is on fire] and has been delayed until Sunday night.

But since this will not be a standard comic I don't know what my BOT will do.--Dgbrt (talk) 20:55, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Dgbrt, yes that was some kind of April Fool's joke he came up with there. But what about your bot afterwards. Seems like Davidy22 created the page for todays comic manually? Has you changes broken the bot? Kynde (talk) 16:27, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Transcript and other features

Hi Dgbrt - hope this is not going to be TL;DR? :-)

I take further discussion on our part regarding transcript to your page, because I think we have written enough on my talk page on transcripts. If any one else will continue that discussion there that's fine, it would also be nice to have input from someone else than just us two and Zetfr.

I can see that you have been quite active this year, as compared to the last half year before (and also with a long break before that?) Will you have time to be more active from now in general? Welcome back anyway ;-) Just took a month and a half of complete break from Explain xkcd my self up until just after this New Year.

I believe we got of on a wrong foot, both long ago I think, and also just now when I was annoyed at you for writing on my page regarding transcripts (and the TL;DR comment). So I'm really happy how our transcript discussion went in the end, and thanks for the last comment from earlier today. And as I said there I did not read all you refereed to before answering the first couple of times, sorry again for that.

Nice to hear from Zetfr as one who really uses the transcripts. When I first found this page it took me some time to appreciate the importance of the transcript.

I know you have much more knowledge about what's possible with computers as your DgbrtBOT, which is great, shows me. (And thanks for adding creation of discussion pages to it). Also I like the way you made the Explain mentioned by Randall category. That is great. Cool that I made that happen by finding it for Payloads.

Maybe we should try to write a dedicated page on what the transcript on Explain xkcd is for; who may use it for reading comics; who for understanding other parts of the comics; and why they make sense regarding searching for specific things, not necessarily mentioned in text or our explanation. Something that could be referred to when people ask about transcripts, and also to explain why we should not just use a transcription of Randall's transcript for several reasons (naming of characters for instance) and because all text should be included for normal length comics, and at least all text in the extended transcript for huge comics (this was also what Zetfr suggested). Those type of full transcripts could also be mentioned there. As well as link to explanation of Randall's own transcripts.

I have recently added lots of info on xkcd's design on the xkcd page. But it became cluttered (TL'DR :-) so I have created two new pages from that info here: Design of xkcd.com and also the Transcript on xkcd I just mentioned above. The page for "our" transcripts could thus need one called Transcript on Explain xkcd like I also mentioned above.

I think keeping track of history and deviations on the main page etc. is important and fun for some people. But of course it should be hidden away for those that search for it, and not in "your" face, when all you wish to know is what chess win-los notation is.

Cheers --Kynde (talk) 19:13, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

oohh, start reading... (check timestamp)--Dgbrt (talk) 20:13, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
...pending...
....ready. Answering all the questions will take a little bit longer. (check timestamp) --Dgbrt (talk) 20:20, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

For further discussions I will divide my answers to several headlines.

dgbrt stopped posting here and only continued supporting dgbrtDOT for a proper page generation and all what belongs to this issue

I was often annoyed when I mentioned that texting should be short as possible. Huhh, I was censoring content... Everybody can say everything... So I felt like what Randall mentioned in many comics (youtube comments, you name it...). Even many explains are TL;DR and sometimes really OFF TOPIC. And most of that content belongs to only one user: Kynde. Sorry, but now I figured out your edits did not annoy only me. This just an honest answer from me. More technical discussions shouldn't run this way; I will open separate subsections for those. --Dgbrt (talk) 20:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Just like to add that I'm not the only one who writes more than other people think is needed... See the latest comic and it's discussion. I have only added the categories for that one... I was thinking the same as those two last comments, but after reading your answers here I did not wish to join in that conversation. :/ --Kynde (talk) 19:52, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Transcripts

A transcript is perfect when someone who doesn't know the image is reading this feels the same as someone who simply looks at that picture. Is that possible? NO! Look at a picture showing some clouds... What do you see? The same as me? NO! Can you describe all the differences we both see? NO! So, not the cloud shape is important, it's just a cloud. If there is some importance on the shape it goes into the explain section. (I have no specific comic in mind on this). --Dgbrt (talk) 21:14, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

xkcd page and more

I mentioned this to Davidy22. You should talk to others here before editing those essential pages! If I've seen this by the time you edited this a simple UNDO would have been my reaction. --Dgbrt (talk) 21:24, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Keep it compact

Did I miss some essentials?--Dgbrt (talk) 21:31, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Dgbrt. I have read your comments. Thanks for the input. I do not have anything specific to say at the time. Sorry you feel like this though.
I have one question not related to the above. What happened to your new category? I can see Davidy deleted it. Sorry about that. I liked the idea. I did not have time to look at your other finds. If it is not a big trouble for you I would appreciate if you wrote the numbers on the comic here (no links needed). --Kynde (talk) 19:32, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi Kynde, the reason given by Davidy22 was: "Mangled category name, and we don't make categories based on things that aren't in the comics." I wonder why the second criteria doesn't fit to the three LiveJournal categories. And I'm sure there are more "categories based on things that aren't in the comics". Nevertheless the comics are:
--Dgbrt (talk) 20:52, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Dgbrt. I think his first point is valid, but that would have been easy to fix. Maybe he just did not care to do so? I really think it is relevant, and considers posting these in the trivia of the first and linking from the others to that trivia. And on Randall's page we could make a note saying that although he has nothing personal to do with this site, he has acknowledged its existence at least seven times. Although it has not been out in the open but only behind the scenes for those who really study the comic. --Kynde (talk) 20:38, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
PS Just posted a comment to your thread on Davidy's page. --Kynde (talk) 20:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

#1811

Hi Dgbrt,

I was editing the page and had different views in the READ and EDIT - in the EDIT, everything was on the right place, but the page didn't fit. I suppose there were some editing overlaps? I'll try again tomorow. gute Nacht :-) --LaVe (talk) 21:17, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your message and good night... And stay tuned, my poor Nerd Sniping victim.--Dgbrt (talk) 21:25, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Uploading corrected comic image files

Dgbrt,

Thanks for helping out a newbie like me. Earlier today I attempted to upload an updated image for #1796. It didn't go as smoothly as I expected, so I hope you can tell me if I was doing it correctly.

First, I downloaded the updated png file from xkcd to my system. Then I clicked on the on-screen image to access the "File:" page, then clicked on the upload link to replace the png file with the one I downloaded. After selecting the image file and adding a short description, I uploaded the new image file. The File: page showed the new image revision in the history table, but opening the new image file from there just returned the old version, even despite me refreshing the image in my browser. Thinking I had accidentally uploaded the old version, I reverted my update. I then looked at the downloaded image file, which was the new version.

At this point, I was confused - maybe using my tablet to upload the image from my server resulted in the tablet uploading a local temp copy instead of the remote server file. So I repeated the upload from my laptop, hoping it would work correctly this time, but got the same result.

I then left a note on the Talk page for 1796 to find out if I was making some rookie mistake and left it for the time being. Now, I see that the corrected image file is being displayed. I don't know if an admin corrected the problem behind the scenes or if this is a case of caching preventing the updated image from being used until some expiration period had passed. Do you have any insight for me? --Ianrbibtitlht (talk) 21:16, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Sorry I'm late. My answer is here: Ianrbibtitlht talk --Dgbrt (talk) 12:24, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
So it was a cache problem! Maybe the upload screen could contain a note to that effect so new uploaders like myself know to give it time. --Ianrbibtitlht (talk) 12:52, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Nice idea but it's not easy to change a standard template from MediaWiki. And I don't have access to this files on the server.--Dgbrt (talk) 13:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Nonsense! It's trivial to edit a standard template in MediaWiki. Just edit MediaWiki:Uploadtext. You can find the appropriate page to edit by going through http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:AllMessages&dir=prev&offset=Userrights-unchangeable-col. Note that MediaWiki pages can only be edited by sysops/bureaucrats, but they don't need login access to the server to do it. JohnHawkinson (talk) 02:11, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
As I've told, I don't have access to this. I suggest you add an admin request here: Community portal.--Dgbrt (talk) 08:22, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
If you have a concrete suggestion for the note, please tell, I might add it then. --SlashMe (talk) 19:08, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks SlashMe for your support. The known problem is that an update for a picture will result in the same URL which is already in the cache at the server cloud. Only when that cache is expired (maybe hours - I don't know) the update will be visible. So the text could be like this:
  • INFORMATION FOR UPDATES: Please be patient after uploading an update. When your upload is shown in the history everything is fine but the former version is still stored in the cache and shown to everybody for a while.
Any better idea?--Dgbrt (talk) 22:53, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Editing others' markup

Dgbrt: Please stop editing other people's markup and removing it, as you have so far done twice to me in Talk:1850:_Air_Force_Museum. If you think there's something wrong with boxes, perhaps that is an OK opinion to have, but please state it. Don't make unilateral changes. And where the markup has important semantic significance (as it does here!), removing it is not acceptable. You could perhaps have replaced it with something else. But removal? No. And you did not use an edit summary. That's not OK, use an edit summary to explain yourself when you are changing someone else's work. I will revert your change again. But I don't want to edit war, but it is simply untenable for you to go changing the meaning of a comment I have made on a talk page. That misrepresents my thoughts and ideas and is not OK. Stop! (p.s. above, in the other section, you made two claims. I refuted one of them, and you responded as if I had questioned the second one, which I did not. That's not a good argument style.) JohnHawkinson (talk) 13:52, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry. It looked like an editors error. Formatting like this is not common in a discussion section. In general bold and italic attributes are enough. Think about: Your post is not the only important one there. We also try to start a new section only with a semicolon to avoid a TOC an other side effects. And sorry again, I don't understand your "two claims" issue.--Dgbrt (talk) 18:58, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. It should not have looked like an editor's error if you were paying attention. And while that reasoning might have worked the first time, it just doesn't cut it the second time. Just look at the history:
 13:53, 17 June 2017‎ JohnHawkinson (talk| contribs) ‎ m . . (+1)‎ . . (Undo revision 141463 by Dgbrt (talk). No. See your talk. And use an edit summsary. And don't change other people's meanings.)
 08:25, 17 June 2017‎ Dgbrt  (talk| contribs) ‎ . . (-1)‎ . . 
 01:48, 17 June 2017‎ JohnHawkinson (talk| contribs) ‎ m . . (+5,176)‎ . . (Oops. Somehow restored an old version by mistake.)
 01:47, 17 June 2017‎ JohnHawkinson (talk| contribs) ‎ . . (-5,175)‎ . . (Restore markup removed by Dgbrt in 141375. Use an edit summary! The markup had meaning. Don't conflate my words with a quotation.)


There was no slew of intervening edits. Reversion of your change was clearly explained in the edit summary, and cited you by name and your revision by number.
Since you are a regular contributor here, you really should be using an edit summary every single time. I understand that the standards for wikis are relaxed here, because most editor aren't familiar with them and we want to make it easy for everybody, but you are an experienced editor so should be held to a higher standard.
Your comment about "your post is not the only important one there" makes no sense to me. In this case the box carries the section, and I think it served as a useful frame of reference for all the subsequent discussion. I agree boxes aren't pretty, but they're cheap and easy. If there's some local convention of appropriate markup that would serve the same semantic role, I don't object. I'm sure we could do something nice with tables, but that's a lot of unnecessary work, I think.
I'm aware that the wiki suggests sections should be "used sparingly." It doesn't give any guidance for that judgement. But it's disturbing to hear that you think the reason is aesthetic. That's a problem because sections have clear semantic meaning in wikis and not using them mean you cannot use semantic tools that understand them. If the feeling is that the section font is too big, the right answer is to edit the CSS and change the section font, not to say "don't use sections." Similarly for TOCs, I don't know what is wrong with a TOC, but you can suppress or move them for individual articles, or disable them globally, if that's the desired effect. Again, not a reason to not use sections.
On the other hand, I didn't revert your conversion from a section to a semicolon/boldface, because it didn't have a significant effect on the meaning of my words, unlike your wholesale removal of the markup around the quotation. Sorry I have gone on too long. JohnHawkinson (talk) 19:43, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Hey, I've removed one space (at the beginning of a line) at a comment page. And I said sorry. It's OK now. And when you want to discuss layout rules please talk to the admins at the Community portal. It's not my invention.--Dgbrt (talk) 23:11, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Sorry it was lengthy (once space—twice!). If not your invention, is there some documentation of these rules? Your talk page is the only place I've seen them (other than "sparingly"). JohnHawkinson (talk) 23:44, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Sadly there is no guide, in the past I've just adopted many from admins (not many here these days) and others. So just check some other articles, you will see chaos but also a recurring layout. --Dgbrt (talk) 00:23, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm a bit late on my input on this but many of the standard practices in this wiki are not codified, they've been built from gradual consensus and precedent, occasionally we've written some of these out but the community isn't active enough for us to put all these unspoken guidelines into writing. Basically by reading a bunch of the previous comic pages and some of the edit reasoning of long standing revisions you should get a good idea of where the wiki stands. --Lackadaisical (talk) 16:13, 17 July 2017 (UTC)


wgUseInstantCommons

$wgUseInstantCommons = true; has been added to LocalSettings.php. --Jeff (talk) 00:41, 26 July 2017 (UTC)