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== [[1190: Time]] ==
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It's fine that you're helping with updating [[1190: Time]]. I'm trying to write a script that automatically updates the hashes and uploads the images. In order to test the script, could you, at least for the next image, refrain from doing that? I can then test the script and if it works, you can continue if you want to, but least I know that my script does work.
 
 
 
Updating the transcript and anything else from the page is still absolutely fine, I cannot do this. --[[User:SlashMe|SlashMe]] ([[User talk:SlashMe|talk]]) 15:56, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 
: Ok, seems to work. If you want, you can continue updating, but my script should do this automatically within ~1 minute while I'm online. And if I'm not, it should catch up later. --[[User:SlashMe|SlashMe]] ([[User talk:SlashMe|talk]]) 16:09, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
:: GREAT, it's really working. My computer is online 24/7 (but not me). Since updates should be done in time maybe my computer is the better machine for your script. I am on Linux and a cron job is downloading at 00,05,20,35,50 each hour, just in case the update frequency will change again. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 16:31, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
::: Might be, but I have a folder full of scripting stuff, and I would have to tidy up all that to get the important lines. And I'm not really in the mood for that. ;-) Maybe I will come back to this later. --[[User:SlashMe|SlashMe]] ([[User talk:SlashMe|talk]]) 16:52, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
 
 
Thank you for your comment. The reason I said "another" river is because "another" is referencing Megan's quote that "yes. there are other rivers" - implying they have arrived at "another" river, not the one they already knew about. I put quotes because as you point out, we haven't exactly seen them come across the first river. As to the water bottle, if you want to change it to "drinking bottle", I'm fine with that. The contents being water is an assumption based on what you might expect someone to do going on a long journey. [[User:TheHYPO|TheHYPO]] ([[User talk:TheHYPO|talk]]) 20:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
: I am not a native English speaker - so thanks for help - but I just want to be correct. And I did edit your edit...
 
 
 
I think a special page (i.e. "1190: Time: Pictures") with a table (description | thumb with link) or other form of separator might work. I seem to remember seeing something on using a different thumb file on a picture link. This is my first time editing wiki pages, but the thumbs and smaller images on the upload pages don't appear to be working. As a work around, I just used blind links without thumbs (e.g. :file:fname...). I can create and upload smaller pictures, but will need some help putting it all together. If this sounds good to you, give me a nod on my talk page and I'll start adding content and let the regulars help straighten it out. Also, am I doing something wrong on the uploads or is it just not working? [[User:Galois|Galois]] ([[User talk:Galois|talk]]) 23:52, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 
: I'm also relatively new to wiki edits, but I'm a programmer, Linux expert (and more OS's) and also the admin for the wiki at my company. Thumbnails do not work because of a bug in the configuration or missing capabilities at the hoster. I will try to talk to the admins here, maybe I can help. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 16:33, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Redirections, and incomplete explanations ==
 
 
 
Hello there, and thank you for your work! :-)
 
 
 
One technical thing that you should note, when you create pages that should <u>redirect</u> directly to a newly created explanation page (for example [[332]] to redirect to [[332: Gyroscopes]]), use the redirection syntax which goes like this: <code><nowiki>#REDIRECT [[332: Gyroscopes]]</nowiki></code>
 
 
 
You've done it right for [[447]] / [[Too Old For This Shit]] or [[531]] / [[Friends]] for instance, so try to do it all the time, instead of leaving pages with only a link in it, like {{diff|39258|332}} / {{diff|39259|Gyroscopes}} or {{diff|39251|311}} / {{diff|39252|Action Movies}}. Thanks :-)
 
 
 
Another thing, not from me, and about content this time: [[User:Davidy22|Davidy22]] left you a couple of message in the changes he made to the pages you created, but it's fairly possible that you didn't get them, so here they are:
 
* (in response to your comment ''"I am still trying to give every comic a page here. Help me to complete it!"''): {{diff|39262|''"I'd really rather leave those links red for someone to write a proper explanation. With explanations that read like second transcripts, all we really do is take traffic away from xkcd.com without adding value."''}}
 
* {{diff|39263|''"Also, incomplete articles are harder to track than nonexistent articles, so I'd rather we just focus on making explanations well instead of making an unsatisfactory shell for every comic. Incomplete explanations make us look kinda bad too."''}}
 
* {{diff|39265|''"People on other sites often comment on how our explanations are a wildly mixed bag of quality. I'd rather you put your effort into making a few good substantial explanations instead of loads of summaries and rehashes of the transcript."''}}
 
 
 
Try to take that into account also...
 
 
 
Cheers, [[User:Cos|Cos]] ([[User talk:Cos|talk]]) 10:45, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Hello [[User:Cos|Cos]], here some comments by me:
 
::Redirections - I'm sorry for the missing #REDIRECT tag. I'm using often a text editor for my own copy and paste templates. I am sure I would have figured out that error today by myself. Thanks for your help!
 
::Incomplete explanations - I will stop on this even when I think it's good idea to have a page for each comic here and work afterwards on all those incomplete ones. The pages [[Help:How_to_add_a_new_comic_explanation]] and [[List_of_unexplained_comics]] should clarify this issue. Furthermore there are many more incomplete comics not marked as incomplete so you can't find them here: [[:Category:Incomplete explanations|Incomplete explanations]]. I will also send a message to [[User:Davidy22|Davidy22]] about this.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 17:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
Speaking of incomplete explanations, do you think you could help add some text to [[266: Choices: Part 3]] and [[267: Choices: Part 4]]? To my knowledge, they are the only articles on the wiki without even a stub for an explanation. In addition, the other three choice articles could use some better explanations. --[[User:Oneforfortytwo|Oneforfortytwo]] ([[User talk:Oneforfortytwo|talk]]) 04:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Ach nee,... ==
 
 
 
...schau mal einer an, noch ein Deutscher! Wollte nur mal 'nen Gruß hinterlassen... ;-) --[[User:SlashMe|SlashMe]] ([[User talk:SlashMe|talk]]) 21:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 
:Ich grüße zurück! I am greeting you too.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 14:20, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Congratulations! ==
 
 
 
You worked on the last unexplained comic of ''xkcd'' at very much the same time that the article was created! [[User:Greyson|Greyson]] ([[User talk:Greyson|talk]]) 23:41, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 
:I was working at the same time to create that explanation. After trying to save I got a warning that it's already there. So I just did add my work there.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 10:40, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 
::In that case, you also created the last explanation. You two worked on the comic at essentially the same time. [[User:Greyson|Greyson]] ([[User talk:Greyson|talk]]) 18:13, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== 1190:Time frame renumbering ==
 
 
 
Apologies if I created confusion, I was under the impression that davidy22 had already made the final decision to renumber the frames. I didn't know there was someone else who made the decision. [[User:Patzer|Patzer]] ([[User talk:Patzer|talk]]) 01:11, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== DgbrtBOT ==
 
 
 
It took a while for me to notice your request. I think you've been quite the active figure around the wiki, so I've added the bot to the bots group.
 
 
 
Keep up the work and don't burn out! [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 16:37, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Many thanks, my request was mainly for picture uploads to 1190 Time, but maybe I will use this feature in the future. I will be careful, first tests will be done at my local TestWiki.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:29, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== The right place to add 'discussion' ==
 
 
 
I don't disagree with your comment to [[User:Anon]] (although I'd say "additions" instead of "adds"), or to a number of your edits to their additions, but some of what has been added is not worthy of Trivia sections being added. They should probably have been put into the talk page, or in some cases, left where they were. [[User:Markhurd|Mark Hurd]] ([[User talk:Markhurd|talk]]) 05:39, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 
:You are right, I just did not want to delete the additions by this new user. Because I can't move a single line to the talk page by one edit I thought the Trivia section would be the best solution. I don't like links to other comics here when it doesn't explain anything to the actual one. But a sidestep to a similar joke could be worthy to the Trivia section.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 13:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Explained too much ==
 
 
 
Hello Dgbrt, I'm sorry I explained too much about comic 1255. I was under the impression that the purpose of this wiki was to explain XKCD comics for those who don't get the references, so I thought it would be helpful to explain the part about sailing in a line tangent to the surface, which wasn't previously touched on in the description. I understand now that what you guys actually do here is to describe and transcribe XKCD comics. That's not something I'm interested in so I'll leave now. Thank you for correcting my misunderstanding. [[User:Rombobjörn|Rombobjörn]] ([[User talk:Rombobjörn|talk]]) 12:47, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 
:Hey, this site does not only "transcribe XKCD comics". The wrong stories about Columbus is the major joke here, Megan did use Tolkien's books, but she also could have used many others. The explain should point on the essentials of the comic, people should be able to read this easy in general.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 15:07, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 
::Hello. Admin here. I don't comb through and look at every single edit that happens in this wiki, but some things flag up as significant and this scuffle qualifies. Reading the current explanation and your addition, there are a number of unexplained and unreferenced Tolkien-specific terms littered around the place. Valar and Ilúvatar will not be familiar to people who have not read the Silmarillion before. Megan appears to be drawing a direct parallel between Eärendil and Columbus here with the quote "A silmaril on his brow, he wanders the heavens as the morning star." There is no apparent evidence to show that the reformation of the earth is referenced in this comic; no mention of Akallabêth, Ilúvatar or any hint of Columbus being of elvish descent. If you can link your reference directly to the comic, feel free to add it in.
 
::Also, Dgbrt, you only have to reply once to the original talk message. You don't have to leave disjointed messages in other people's talk pages. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 17:05, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Discussions with Quicksilver ==
 
 
 
Hello! I have noticed that "In this comic" is a pet peeve to you. As a gift, I have removed it from almost all of the 60 explanations that it started, but there remain some more places where it could be removed. If you wish, you can go ahead and remove the newlines that I left in their wake.
 
 
 
If you need a general copy-editor for grammar, punctuation, or usage, let me know. I consider myself adequate at it, being a decently educated native American English speaker. (I am not a professional editor, though, so stuff can always be made better.)
 
 
 
Also, as you definitely have noticed, I can get belligerent over some things, particularly whether a page deserves its "Incomplete" status. I expect some more sparring matches in the coming future. I do hope to work with you on cutting the number of such pages down.
 
 
 
Anyway, thanks for the intro to the wiki! --[[User:Quicksilver|Quicksilver]] ([[User talk:Quicksilver|talk]]) 21:31, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 
:Welcome Quicksilver! I did see that you must be an native American speaker but some of your edits are too offensive, I do reply on this, and we have to discuss until a final solution can be presented. Many updates by you are great, but please check all the links, etc. until removing the incomplete tag. This tag does not mean the explain is wrong. BTW: Please sign your discussions.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:22, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
Now that I have your attention, we can begin discussing things. We have a brewing edit war over the following pages (so far): [[694: Retro Virus]], [[54: Science]], and [[10: Pi Equals]].
 
 
 
The first one I claim to be complete, while you dispute this. I cannot see how much further we can go into explanations of XP, viruses, Howard Dean, Friendster, or Kazaa. Apart from those, the comic really doesn't have anything else to explain, and its grammar and style are fair. I see no reason that the Incomplete tag should be there.
 
 
 
In the second one, we have different interpretations of the title text, "Bonus point if you can identify the science in question." You claim that this somehow means we should challenge science. While I understand that part of the spirit of science is questioning it, this sentence has a fairly straightforward meaning: if you can identify the science in question, you get a bonus point. In other words, if you know where this equation comes from, good for you. Randall is praising his readers who happen to know about the blackbody radiation curve, which would be a good number of them (I'd guess).
 
 
 
The third one is a simple issue of punctuation. You have argued, via explanations, that "one must close sentences." While I understand that it may look awkward for the quotation marks in question (those around the name of Mrs Roberts's daughter) to contain a period, not part of the name, and to have the sentence ended by a punctuation mark inside a pair of quotes, this is the English convention on quotation marks. Such a convention can be checked [http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/owlprint/577/ here]. This usage clashes with that of French, German, and many other languages, but is standard in English.
 
 
 
As other pages turn into edit wars, I would prefer to discuss them in some central location (such as your wonderful talk page) rather than individual pages. Thank you for your consideration. --[[User:Quicksilver|Quicksilver]] ([[User talk:Quicksilver|talk]]) 22:40, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 
:Every comic does have it's own discussion page. Here you can talk about my behave, especial on some few offensive edits I did not accept. And keep short or I will just reply {{w|Wikipedia:Too long; didn't read|tl;dr}}--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 23:09, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 
::Very well. Our agenda begins with [[54: Science]]. The other two we will address at some point. --[[User:Quicksilver|Quicksilver]] ([[User talk:Quicksilver|talk]]) 23:14, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Allegations concerning [[User:Quicksilver]] ==
 
 
 
You have in the edit summary field claimed that Quicksilver's edits are offensive. After a quick glance through some of his recent edits, I don't find this to be the case. Do you care to explain yourself? [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 03:26, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 
:200 or 300 edits within a few hours, no one can understand all that comics at this time range. I just did criticized two or three edits he did, but an edit to former content without any understandable explain I can't except. And than he reverts my criticism, that's all.
 
 
 
:I'm not a spam hunter here, but I like CLEAR and SHORT (meaning, people will be able read) explains here. Look at [[1256: Questions]], just an other hell (nobody will ever read all that masturbation orgasms writers must have - sorry, put this into the sex category.)--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 23:11, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
::One add: Understand sarcasm, xkcd, romance, math, and language. Randall did publish many sarcastic comics, I just do like to point this out.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 23:52, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Language and writing style ==
 
Please, please stop reverting and calling editors out on language and writing style. It is not your strong point. Focus on content. When we start work on our german translations, you can go jabbing editors in their talk pages over writing too much. Here, you're only reverting and deterring valuable edits. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 02:35, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 
:You know I'm not native American, many viewers are too. American English is still strange sometimes, but you are right: It's not my "strong point". But nevertheless, I always did focus on content in the past, and I will do this in the future. I was just acting on mass updates nobody can review.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== PyCon ==
 
 
 
The post saying that Randall was banned was a joke. There is no PyCon issue. See [[Talk:153: Cryptography]]. [[User:gijobarts|gijobarts]] ([[User Talk:gijobarts|talk]]) 20:19, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 
:Sure it was joke, so maybe it should be explained, it belongs to this comic.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:19, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== [[1270: Functional]] ==
 
 
 
Would you mind answering my actual concerns regarding [[1270]]? The things you answered are (in my eyes) very minor points, where I would not mind to compromise. However, currently the article does not explain what '''{{w|functional programming}}''' is at all! I wanted to change that which you mostly edited away. I am willing to make my explanations more understandable (preferably if you or anyone else has suggestions what is/might be unclear). --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 16:11, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 
:Hi, I don't like edit wars. I just did try to simplify the explain for non programmer readers. And I think these facts should be mentioned:
 
:1. Functions return a value, unlike procedures do.
 
:2. Your wiki link says: "a style of building the structure and elements of computer programs, that treats computation as the evaluation of mathematical functions and avoids state and mutable data." My sine(x) idea isn't bad according to this.
 
:3. The part "mutable data" means that each call of the function allocates its own memory, local variables are not viewable or changeable from the outside. Recursions just use this feature.
 
:4. Tail recursion just means that there is a clearly defined break at the end of the function. The most elegant code should be this (the else statement is removed, braces for a clear code):
 
factorial(n)
 
{
 
    if n > 0
 
    {
 
        n * factorial(n-1)
 
    }
 
    return 1
 
}
 
:5. The wikipedia pages are a little bit confusing and inaccurate (I would mark them incomplete). But even the first reference at {{w|functional programming}} to this [http://www.dbnet.ece.ntua.gr/~adamo/languages/books/p359-hudak.pdf PDF] is interesting. It's saying (Chapter 4): "Myth 1, that functional programming is the antithesis of conventional imperative programming,...".
 
:This programming paradigm definitions are still confusing, but here Randall just mentions a recursion with a break at the tail. I think we have to focus on this first. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:33, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 
::I replaced your bullet points by numbers, so I can refer to them, I hope you don't mind.
 
::ad 1) I agree, but I don't know why you need to introduce the (imperative) concept of a procedure at all? (There is no such thing in functional programming)
 
::ad 2) Yes, sine is a function, also in the functional programming sense. It is not really a function one would implement using a functional language (although it is possible). Also this function is not referred to later, so I don't see any benefit from introducing it. How about using the factorial function as example for a function?
 
::ad 3) There is no such thing as a "variable" in functional programming. Variables are mutable data, and mutable data is avoided.
 
::ad 4) What I learned is that tail recursion means that the only recursive call happens at the tail of the function ("call" in imperative programming, or substitution in functional programming). Maybe I'm wrong and should study again, and also did not understand what {{w|tail recursion}} wants to say, but I doubt that.
 
::ad 5) I agree that it is not very easy to understand, but I don't see any inaccuracy in that article. About the reference: Yes, but that does not mean imperative and functional programming is essentially the same. The section continues and describes that functional programming carries on the evolution from low-level (e.g. Assembler, allowing just simple operations) over high-level (imperative) programming which allows expressions to functional programming which says there are '''only''' expressions. (If and why and when this is useful is another story -- though actually that is essentially what White Hats wants to know from Cueball)
 
::And w.r.t your last point: So you would prefer not to explain (or have someone explain) the parts which are confusing to you? Wasn't explaining that the whole idea of this wiki? --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 20:44, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I don't mind your edit but now I will reply in general. The most important paradigm is {{w|Structured programming|structured programming}} witch did lead to avoid statements like ''GOTO'', but this explain can not be a comprisal on computer since. It's just a small comic mentioning functional programming and tail recursion. But maybe we should try to enhance the English Wikipedia. ;) --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:04, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Yes, the article you quoted also says (concluding the Myth 1-section) that functional programming goes further from avoiding [[goto]] to also avoiding assignments and control-flow structures. I'll mostly leave enhancing the English wikipedia to English native speakers, actually {{w|de:Funktionale Programmierung}} is not that badly written. (Sure it also gets complicated towards the end, but ''intuitive and clear'' does not equal ''easy'' ;) ) [[541|Damn you, Randall!]] --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 21:37, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::The German Wiki is often just a bad translation from English, lacking references. But this part is interesting: {{w|de:Funktionale_Programmierung#Abgrenzung_von_imperativer_Programmierung}} explains the difference of imperative and functional implementations. My example above is functional, NOT imperative, and also includes the the ''tail'' part. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:11, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::Ok, you are right, that it is '''also''' functional (at least when written using if ''and'' else and ignoring the syntactic noise of the ''return'' (without the else part, I would consider that control flow: The second return is called ''after'' the if statement)). '''Only''' functional I would call the formula which comes before the implementation (in the de:wiki article), but the implementation is also a valid imperative function.
 
::::::I still don't agree that this is tail recursive (I think our definitions of tail-recursion don't match so far). --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 23:37, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
The explain is still not very helpful, and the reason is that {{w|Computer science}} isn't a science like physics or math, it's more like philosophy or something else. An author is defining some theories and statements with no prove as it is done in math. [[User:Chtz|Chtz]], we are both wrong and correct, but Randall is just joking about this ''science''.
 
 
 
The details about different implementations can be shown below this general classification on computer science. I think this would be the best solution for an explain, different meanings can be shown, just like computer science does. What do you think?--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:07, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Your name ==
 
 
 
I'm just a random stalker on the Internet reading XKCD, and I see your name alot. I've been reading it as "dogbert", like as in the Dilbert comics, but now I'm really curious. Where does your username come from?
 
[[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.215|173.245.55.215]] 02:51, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 
:That's just my secret ;) . But you can be sure I was just looking for a unique name without any vowels, like xkcd. You also can find me at the German wiki.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:33, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== 1297: oort cloud:  comet nuclei, asteroids, etch ==
 
 
 
Thanks for your many contributions to explainxkcd!  In [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=1297:_Oort_Cloud&diff=next&oldid=53963] you changed back some of my edits on the oort cloud.  I've commented in the talk page about my reasoning, and tried to come up with less arguable language.  If you disagree, let's discuss it on the [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1297:_Oort_Cloud talk page].  Cheers, [[User:Nealmcb|Nealmcb]] ([[User talk:Nealmcb|talk]]) 16:56, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 
:Uhh, that's two days ago, many edits went on that page after this. If I see my major changes correctly I did remove something like "comet at the Oort Cloud" because an object is only a comet when it's encounter the sun; and the Milky Way itself does not influence the orbit of an possible Oort Cloud object. I'm not native English, so I'm still happy for help on this, but I do know physics and more since very well. And much more sad: It still seems ISON is dead. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== 1246 ==
 
Hey Dgbrt,
 
 
 
we need to have a discussion about the latest edit on 1246. i believe that we should refrain from further edits until we have discussed this in the discussion page.
 
 
 
[[User:Mrarch|Mrarch]] ([[User talk:Mrarch|talk]]) 20:32, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 
:I will reply soon. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:59, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 
  
 
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::There's been a fair few cases in the past and with this particular case where you've defaulted to autoreverting an edit when the edit button would have sufficed. Disagreements need not be made personal; it is possible for a disagreement to occur without assuming insult. I track recent changes for vandalism/peacekeeping/comment signing duties and while I don't tend to interfere that often with daily happenings, I have noticed that a healthy portion of arguments have included you. Swearing isn't a strictly appropriate response to a user removing an incomplete tag or rewriting an explanation, even if you strongly disagree with it. try to avoid defaulting to arguing. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 03:28, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 
::There's been a fair few cases in the past and with this particular case where you've defaulted to autoreverting an edit when the edit button would have sufficed. Disagreements need not be made personal; it is possible for a disagreement to occur without assuming insult. I track recent changes for vandalism/peacekeeping/comment signing duties and while I don't tend to interfere that often with daily happenings, I have noticed that a healthy portion of arguments have included you. Swearing isn't a strictly appropriate response to a user removing an incomplete tag or rewriting an explanation, even if you strongly disagree with it. try to avoid defaulting to arguing. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 03:28, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 
:::Uhh, I'm back after two days — no time... I don't know if I can check all the recent changes, but I will give a try on the most important ones. The 1331 Frequency table is the first. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:57, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 
:::Uhh, I'm back after two days — no time... I don't know if I can check all the recent changes, but I will give a try on the most important ones. The 1331 Frequency table is the first. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:57, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
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== Übersetzungen in Deutsch - Translations to German ==
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This is a call for help (in German and English):
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:DE: Ich versuche die Startseite mit allen Templates zu übersetzen, ist nicht einfach und vielleicht gibt es ja Leute die helfen können.
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:EN: I'm trying to translate the main page into German — including all that templates. That's not an easy task, but maybe someone can help.
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--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:27, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
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== When ==
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Hi Dgbrt. This is just a question for my personal curiosity. After seeing [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Randall_Munroe&diff=58669&oldid=51439 this edit], I started wondering whether the use of "when" in that sentence was due to you being a native German speaker. I'm asking because I follow a blog by a Dutch guy who also uses "when" all the time, in sentences where it would make more sense to use "if" instead. Does the equivalent to "when" have extra meanings in Dutch and/or German, outside of the English time-based meaning?<br/>
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Cheers, [[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 23:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
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:Hi Waldir, "if" is more a question about an issue while "when" is more about time. I'm not native English but I'm still trying to learn — Google gives me "if" as "indien" in dutch, and "when" as "wanneer". Since I do know {{w|Plattdeutsch}} I do know many funny misunderstandings belonging even on this simple word. A hurt in English is a pain, in Dutch it is a "pijn", but in German the word "peinlich" doesn't match this meanings at all. I'm doing mistakes on understanding languages, but I still have many fun on exploring. Don't know if (<-NOT WHEN) I did answer your question. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 23:46, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
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: Although "when" is "wenn" in German and "if" is "falls", it is very common to use "wenn" for both meanings. Therefore, many Germans (including me) tend to use "when" even <del>when</del><ins>if</ins> they mean "if". Although I don't speak Dutch, I know that it is very similar to German, so it might be the same issue. --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.254.196|108.162.254.196]] 14:57, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
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::Using "when" is often a {{w|false friend}} used by Germans, like I did before. In German "wenn" means "when", "if", and more in English; so you have to care about those different words in English. I'm still happy to learn more about the English language, in general it's believed to be more simple than German. But in my opinion this just means that English is much more precise and shorter. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
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::: Thanks guys for the explanations, they were both enlightening and amusing! I just want to clarify that sometimes it ''is'' acceptable to use "when" in English to refer to a general condition rather than a strictly time-based one (as it seems to be the case in German), but the distinction may be subtler/stricter than in German. [http://english.stackexchange.com/a/35164/10804 This answer] explains it well, I think: "If you say 'when' something happens, you imply it definitely will happen, even if the precise timing is unknown. You use 'if' when (!) there's uncertainty about whether the event will happen at all." --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] ([[User talk:Waldir|talk]]) 17:24, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
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==Thanks!==
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Hi! Despite our slight disagreement regarding the alt text explanation over "Purity", I did want to thank you for going over some of my edits and cleaning them up. The link format here is slightly different than what I'm used to, and it screwed me up. As well, I tend to overuse parenthesis. Don't feel bad about proofreading my edits - I do appreciate it.
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If you're confused as to my objection over Purity, I've left a note on the talk page for that comic explaining why I feel what existed before is not sufficient. [[User:Jetman123|Jetman123]] ([[User talk:Jetman123|talk]]) 13:12, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
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:I appreciate your thanks. My answer on that specific title text is here: [[Talk:435: Purity]] --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:47, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
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== German translation ==
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A translation isn't easy at all, my local German page is still mostly in English. It's not easy to figure out the important tamplates, but I did some more enhancements — if the general page does work, the remaining work only belongs to translation (not easy at all).
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I think we should start this soon, and because even German people do know English as well there is no need to translate it all. Sometimes just a hint gives a shot. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:05, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
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== Your Undo ==
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On my talk page, you undid my deletion of a user's message. The reason I deleted the message in the first place was that it wasn't meant for me in particular, but meant to be placed in the discussion for [[1351]]. One reason I think that this was meant to be in that discussion is because this is a) the first time metamaterials were mentioned in xkcd (as far as I know); b) the user said "can anybody link" in their message, asking anybody in particular to help. I doubt people check my talk page for a discussion of an xkcd; and c) I did not start, nor join, nor end any discussion about metamaterials and their validity.
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So... I'm just asking if you consider it valid to delete it, or if, in your opinion, I should leave it there (I have already added their (exact) words to the discussion for the comic, so that is already there). {{User:Grep/signature|22:33, 04 April 2014}}
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:In general a discussion should not be deleted at all; I could do the same on this topic, too. Furthermore you do invite people to discuss, so just give them a kind reply. This even could be like -> here we go for further talks. But deleting that looks like ignoring this. Your user page proposes something different. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:48, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
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::Ah. I understand your point of view, and I agree with it. Thanks! {{User:Grep/signature|19:04, 05 April 2014}}
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==Categories for Lorenz==
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Hi Dgbrt
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Why do you think that obvious categories should not be displayed for Lorenz? See my comment on the talk page. I agree that no input text should give rise to caregories, but what is included in the pictures should. You seem to have accepted color, but Hairy is in most stories wheras only seven panels have colour!
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I would use the list below - please explain why not - preferably better than you have so far in the comments on edition or talk page. And also why you should make that ruling?
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If you can explain I will stop asking about it. But as of now it was the text below I was ready to add. (I may agree to removing a few - like because the light saber is not ennough for SW...)
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Best regards
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[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:39, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
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<nowiki>[[Category:Dynamic comics]]
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[[Category:April fool's comics]]
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[[Category:Comics with color]]
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[[Category:Interactive comics]]
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[[Category:Comics featuring Hairy]]
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[[Category:Comics featuring White Hat]]
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[[Category:Comics featuring Cueball]]
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[[Category:Boomerangs]]
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[[Category:Computers]]
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[[Category:Dinosaurs]]
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[[Category:Pokémon]]
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[[Category:Dreams]]
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[[Category:Pokémon]]
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[[Category:Politics]]
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[[Category:Star Wars]]
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[[Category:Sharks]]
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</nowiki>
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:Hi Kynde, thanks for your question before starting an edit-war. If your read my comments at my edits you can see that I don't like this massive category block, just because many more categories had to be added when a new picture is found. Finally we would come up with a category ALL.
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:Most images resemble an excerpt of a former comic, this has to be explained. Even you do not avoid chaos because "Pokémon" is twice at your example. I'm looking for simple but straight forward explains.
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:--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:12, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
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::Hi Dgbrt.I have trouble understanding this sentence that you have used before: ''Most images resemble an excerpt of a former comic'' Can you elaborate or find a different way to say the same so I can follow.
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::My example is a cut and paste from my former suggestions and the current - that you accept. So this explains duplicate entries. It would not be registered twice if I now how it works.
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::Still you have not answered my questions to why colour is ok? I belive that if everything is included by Randall so should it here. But that is where we disagree.
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::Is there a discussion/rule about when to include a category? And if we disagree who should then decide - are you a moderator of this wiki?
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::Not to include Hairy is weird! Just saying... [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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:::Hi Kynde, at my first sentence I tried to explain that most images here at this comic are copies from former comics.
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:::Including every category belonging to this comic images would result in a bottom line filling up half of the screen - finally nearly every category had to be included. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:21, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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::::Can you identify all this stories pics as refering to a previous commic - more than you could for any other commic? Then it should be in the explain as you say. But appart from the shark's and the ref to the previous commics title text on blowtorch I can't spot this. So please help with this. As there are almost a thousand comics I am still looking forward to read I can believe you - but would like to see the links.
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::::It seems like there has not been added new themes for a while. In that case there would only be the 8 I have listed appart from the only three characters. (Corrected my list above to only include one Pokémon).
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::::As the girl has a knit cap on, she seems very distinct - and is not Megan. Has she been seen before - else all pics with her is new. In that case I don't quite see your point. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 22:00, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
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Please do not edit former posts at the discussion page. Later adds would not make any sense to other readers. So, please keep the original and add a new one to the bottom here. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:22, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
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:OK sorry[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 02:58, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
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Back to your question, I know probably all comics and the pictures are in my mind. But I don't know all the comic numbers or names. Read all the thousand missing comics and try to remember them all; that's my struggle. Maybe Google image search could help. But it's still a bunch of work to find them all. And of course, not every picture belongs to former comics. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:22, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
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:I see - that makes sence. I have now put all images foun into categories (I'm indeed an aprils fool and I know it... :-) Hope this makes sence and can help make an almost complete explanation. Seems liek there are not that many new pictures comming along? The themes that equals categoriews should still in my oppinion be added as categories, but I know that you disagree.
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:You have still not explained to me why your oppinion on this matter weighs more than others. Maybe there is a good reason (if you are a moderator of these pages?) or if others have the same oppinion - but where can I see that - so far only you comment on this issue.
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:I will be away on a holliday with limited computer power, so if I do not answer you for a week it is not because I'm annoyed with your answers ;-) And as you will see I have not added any categories. Best regards [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 02:58, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
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::So I wish you happy holidays. But beside of that, I'm not an admin or moderator — I'm just an active editor here looking for standards and clear explanations. A reference to a big part of all comics doesn't make any sense and doesn't explain anything at all. BTW: Try to use a dictionary at your browser, your typos above are ugly. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:19, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
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:::It was written late one night on a tablet... Sorry :-) On another note - would you also recomend deleting all the categories of this earlier April fool's commic? [[1037:_Umwelt]] - I would not but it may be longer than what I suggested for Lorenz! There do not seem to be any new images appearing anymore - not since before we wrote the above. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:52, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
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::::The comic [[1037: Umwelt]] is different because there is a finite number of categories. Lorenz instead would probably end up with every category here, I don't think that this does make any sense. But a hidden category link could be a solution, the Lorenz page would not explode but there would be a link at [[:Category:Comics featuring Cueball]] to this Aprils Fool comic. Maybe that's a solution? --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:22, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
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::::: Well I do not think that the list of categories could be extended since I wrote to you first more than a month ago. There has not been found any new images so I do think Randall adds more. So it seems finite. All my suggested categories are based on what is in the images - not on what people has written when suggesting a line. Same for the Umwelt. And whi nows how many more versions of umwelt there are which are not acounted for. I do belive your fear for a long list is baseless. And the other BIG commics like [[1110:_Click_and_Drag]] has 14 - I only suggest 11. So to be consistentwe should either delete those or add my suggestions. I think I will do that soon- it makes sence...[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 12:21, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
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== [[1330]] Strange Layouts ==
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Hi. Wanted to take a crack at completing this strip, but I'm not clear on what needs to be fixed (besides the apparent Megan/Danish issue). What were you referring to when you wrote the incomplete tag? [[User:Castriff|Jimmy C]] ([[User talk:Castriff|talk]]) 15:12, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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:Thanks for your hint. The tag was referring a fix, so I did remove it with some small changes. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:18, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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== 1359 transcript ==
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You introduced ambiguity into it by undenting it. Now the ["???"] can appear to come from [alarm goes off] rather than [beep beep beep beep]. Good job. {{unsigned ip|141.101.89.231}}
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:Thanks for your hint, but the transcript looks better with only one indent unless there are similar indents at the image. The ways on the flowchart should be shown by text. So feel free to enhance that text. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
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==[[980: Money]]==
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Why do you think that the transcript for Money should not include the entire text? This makes no sense at all? I did not include any details or explain, just an explain of where the text was located. This is done in numerous transcripts. I was actually ready to try to make a complete transcript over time - but you just killed the insensitive to that! Let me know exactly why I should not move it back - people may actually be interested in this transcript. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:44, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
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:The transcript gives an overview about the main content, but the details would be shown twice so I think the summary by Randall is enough. I did not delete anything, it's now just at the explain section. And it's much more important to enhance that section. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
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::OK - I may agree partially with you - although I always considered the transcript to be of all the text, so you could understand it, even if you had trouble reading it yourself. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 11:14, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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::I was also considering doing a money transcript page like we have for Lorenz. Maybe the explain section could refer to that, so it would not be so incredibly long. If the headings I have made, were made in to subsections like Game consoles under dollars and Raising a child to age 17 under thousands etc. was on such a full transcript page, then each heading could be referenced from a table on the main page, with an explanation of this and that. And then if you wished to see the numbers and text, you clicked on the title of this part of the table. (Like for instance click and drag has for different parts of the comic.)[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 11:14, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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::By the way. Where is this original transcript that I have seen people mention several times?[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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::I have now made the transcript page for Money, and have finished the thousand section. The next two are much and much much larger. At least the trillions section is easy to do. I will do that next time I get some time [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 22:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Revision as of 22:22, 13 June 2014

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X11 Title Text Explanation

In my absence was it finally decided forever and always how title text explanations would be handled? I can't find a discussion in the Community Portal, if you have a link I'd be interested to come up to speed on the current editing policies. lcarsos_a (talk) 22:44, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

A BIG problem is here still that there are NO editing policies in general. I'm just following the main "feel and look". In standard explains the title text is just at the bottom of the explain, and trivia goes after transcript. You are an admin here and maybe you should talk to User:Davidy22. In general I think that X11 still needs a better layout. --Dgbrt (talk) 23:11, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Ok. I had wondered about that. My personal policy, when I was an active editor a year ago, was once a title text explanation is longer than 2 paragraphs it should get it's own subsection. I'll have to get a dialogue started with Davidy about it once more.
So you know, the English phrase is "look and feel". I know English isn't your first language, I just wanted to correct you on that. If I tried typing in German, I'd probably embarrass myself, and you'd have to help me.
lcarsos_a (talk) 23:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm happy about your latest actions here! And of course I did mix it up, it's "look and feel" and a translation of my former mistake could lead into some problems. --Dgbrt (talk) 01:13, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

1052

Think you may have marked this as complete a smidgen early - it needed a bit of cleanup, and a few more tweaks (the joke about theology wasn't explained, really). I've done it now, though. 141.101.99.235 16:40, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

You are welcome to enhance this explain, but in general it's not incomplete any more. If you feel the explain is still incomplete just add the tag again and provide a reason. --Dgbrt (talk) 18:02, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Eh, I got it. It was just a couple little things - the Ontological Argument joke, and such. I suppose, though, that "I had intended to do more work on it" isn't really an argument against removing it, is it? 141.101.99.235 18:26, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
And I'm very happy if you still can enhance this explain. --Dgbrt (talk) 18:30, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Cthulhu and Azathoth (1040)

I can only presume you haven't read Lovecraft, but those are the best known sealed-away gods in modern literature. Cthulhu is supposed to live in the extreme depths, Azathoth beyond time, surrounded by insane pipers. They're a far better explanation than the Harry Potter one which is far, far more tangental - it sings in a bath, and contains nothing that could escape - but you're leaving in.

I doubt there's a precise reference being made to anything in the comic, but Cthulhu and other Lovecraftian Gods are the overwhelmingly likely inspiration. Unless someone has a better explanation. I suppose one could discuss The Abyss as well. 141.101.99.235 11:27, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I disagree, this comic contains only REAL things. This is NO horror fiction. --Dgbrt (talk) 19:58, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
The door at the bottom of the Marinas Trench is real now? James Cameron really released something on the world because he was distracted by its beautiful music? I think you've missed the actual context of the specific discussion. 141.101.99.235 11:36, 18 January 2014 (UTC)


Downtime

Next time you see errors, could you post the output of this link somewhere? Davidy²²[talk] 08:09, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

I will do so, but currently there are no problems. It's working great. --Dgbrt (talk) 08:19, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Actually, could you get me the output to that file currently for now? And again in the future if downtime ever does occur. Davidy²²[talk] 09:13, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Currently I'm on a leased line at a different provider than at home. But I will document my dynamic DSL connections and provide some information here soon. --Dgbrt (talk) 09:36, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Here we are, I'm online here via "webproxy.ca" right now. My route from Germany to explainxkcd stops somewhere in Chicago (Illinois) in the US [1]:

traceroute to www.explainxkcd.com (108.162.198.131), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
...
3  f-ed4-i.F.DE.NET.DTAG.DE (62.154.14.130)  17.008 ms  17.956 ms  19.323 ms
4  80.157.128.230 (80.157.128.230)  20.428 ms * *
5  xe-1-1-3.r20.frnkge04.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.221)  24.298 ms  25.328 ms  26.540 ms
6  ae-1.r23.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.3.179)  34.319 ms  17.730 ms  17.855 ms
7  ae-1.r03.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.147)  18.859 ms  20.572 ms  21.711 ms
8  xe-4-0-5.ar1.ams3.nl.nlayer.net (69.22.139.202)  21.740 ms * *
9  * * *
10  * * *
..........

And WHOIS gives me this result (excerpt):

Domain Name: NLAYER.NET
Registry Domain ID: NA
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
Registrar URL: www.enom.com
Creation Date: 2002-12-25 17:52:16Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2014-12-25 22:52:00Z
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Registrar IANA ID: 48
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse at enom.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252744500
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID: 
Registrant Name: GTT ICT
Registrant Organization: GTT
Registrant Street: 8484 WESTPARK DR
Registrant City: MCLEAN
Registrant State/Province: VA
Registrant Postal Code: 22102
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: 1. 1.7034425500
Registrant Phone Ext: 
Registrant Fax: 1.
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: [email protected]

At this time I even don't get an error message, my browser is loading... and loading... What is it? I'm reaching the US from Germany but then it stops. A Proxy from Canada works well, what the hell??? NSA or CIA or what? Maybe a Webhoster outside of the US would be better. 22:33, 25 January 2014 (UTC)~ dgbrt

Uh, it'd be nice if you could also post the results from the link I posted. We kinda need that for troubleshooting the actual server issues. And if you could do it via the setup that you suffered the server issues under, that would be helpful. Davidy²²[talk] 09:05, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't think this is helpful, you just see my proxy is located in Toronto:
fl=15f13
h=explainxkcd.com
ip=192.95.59.247
ts=1390768261.007
visit_scheme=http
uag=Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0
colo=DFW
spdy=off
Much more important is this. My route to this site still stops somewhere in the US (69.22.139.202)
traceroute to www.explainxkcd.com (108.162.198.131), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
......
5  xe-1-1-3.r20.frnkge04.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.221)  25.018 ms  25.705 ms  26.915 ms
6  ae-1.r23.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.3.179)  40.023 ms  18.255 ms  17.291 ms
7  ae-1.r03.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.147)  18.708 ms  19.898 ms  26.766 ms
8  xe-4-0-5.ar1.ams3.nl.nlayer.net (69.22.139.202)  22.642 ms  23.760 ms  25.257 ms
9  * * *
10  * * *
11  * * *
12  * * *
......
And uhh, I can't reach your link from home. Just because I cannot connect this site without a proxy. --Dgbrt (talk) 20:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
More important: My BOT will not work until this is fixed. --Dgbrt (talk) 22:22, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Try using Google DNS. That looks like an ISP issue. Davidy²²[talk] 22:46, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Holy crab, I'm back from a three day business trip. I did figure it out, it wasn't an ISP issue at all, it was just a remain at my local configuration attempting to avoid former problems. I was looking on this problem everywhere, but not at my own manual overwrites. Shame on me, Human Error. But this error is still much better than a BOT Error; so I'm hoping my BOT will behave on Friday again like it should do. --Dgbrt (talk) 21:50, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

My crab, ehh.. bot should perform as before. My sweet eight legged animal did fail, caused by some former chaos here. I'm hoping that future updates will perform as before, even if an update is late. --Dgbrt (talk) 23:26, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Original transcripts

Where can I find the original xkcd transcripts? 0100011101100001011011010110010101011010011011110110111001100101 (talk page) 23:32, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Look at the HTML source. There is a DIV-tag named "transcript", often, but not always Randall provides a hidden transcript here. And sometimes there are deeper information, helpful for explain.
I'm using Firefox and the Add-On "Stylish" to show me this content at the comic page itself. The code is:
@namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);
@-moz-document domain("xkcd.com") {
   #transcript {
       display: block !important;
       font-variant: normal !important;
    }
}
--Dgbrt (talk) 20:19, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, now I can see the transcripts. 0100011101100001011011010110010101011010011011110110111001100101 (talk page) 18:56, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm happy if I can help. And shame on me, I did forget to sign my former post.--Dgbrt (talk) 20:19, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Undo button

The undo button gives you the version of the page prior to the edit that you hit undo on. When you disagree with one part of an edit, hitting the undo button reverts everything else as well. Don't default to the undo button unless you're absolutely sure that the entire edit is bad. Davidy²²[talk] 00:14, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm using the Undo Button only when I do know what I do delete. That's similar to an update here, I'm still trying to avoid an "edit conflict" here. But some actions here don't make me happy here, I don't know if my actions here are welcome. I don't need a thanks, but the latest GIFs were done by my BOT — that main table would not work without my work. My Undo is mostly done on an another Undo without any given reason, if there was a reason I do reply in a proper manner.--Dgbrt (talk) 00:30, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
There's been a fair few cases in the past and with this particular case where you've defaulted to autoreverting an edit when the edit button would have sufficed. Disagreements need not be made personal; it is possible for a disagreement to occur without assuming insult. I track recent changes for vandalism/peacekeeping/comment signing duties and while I don't tend to interfere that often with daily happenings, I have noticed that a healthy portion of arguments have included you. Swearing isn't a strictly appropriate response to a user removing an incomplete tag or rewriting an explanation, even if you strongly disagree with it. try to avoid defaulting to arguing. Davidy²²[talk] 03:28, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Uhh, I'm back after two days — no time... I don't know if I can check all the recent changes, but I will give a try on the most important ones. The 1331 Frequency table is the first. --Dgbrt (talk) 19:57, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Übersetzungen in Deutsch - Translations to German

This is a call for help (in German and English):

DE: Ich versuche die Startseite mit allen Templates zu übersetzen, ist nicht einfach und vielleicht gibt es ja Leute die helfen können.
EN: I'm trying to translate the main page into German — including all that templates. That's not an easy task, but maybe someone can help.

--Dgbrt (talk) 20:27, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

When

Hi Dgbrt. This is just a question for my personal curiosity. After seeing this edit, I started wondering whether the use of "when" in that sentence was due to you being a native German speaker. I'm asking because I follow a blog by a Dutch guy who also uses "when" all the time, in sentences where it would make more sense to use "if" instead. Does the equivalent to "when" have extra meanings in Dutch and/or German, outside of the English time-based meaning?
Cheers, Waldir (talk) 23:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Waldir, "if" is more a question about an issue while "when" is more about time. I'm not native English but I'm still trying to learn — Google gives me "if" as "indien" in dutch, and "when" as "wanneer". Since I do know Plattdeutsch I do know many funny misunderstandings belonging even on this simple word. A hurt in English is a pain, in Dutch it is a "pijn", but in German the word "peinlich" doesn't match this meanings at all. I'm doing mistakes on understanding languages, but I still have many fun on exploring. Don't know if (<-NOT WHEN) I did answer your question. --Dgbrt (talk) 23:46, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Although "when" is "wenn" in German and "if" is "falls", it is very common to use "wenn" for both meanings. Therefore, many Germans (including me) tend to use "when" even whenif they mean "if". Although I don't speak Dutch, I know that it is very similar to German, so it might be the same issue. --108.162.254.196 14:57, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Using "when" is often a false friend used by Germans, like I did before. In German "wenn" means "when", "if", and more in English; so you have to care about those different words in English. I'm still happy to learn more about the English language, in general it's believed to be more simple than German. But in my opinion this just means that English is much more precise and shorter. --Dgbrt (talk) 21:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks guys for the explanations, they were both enlightening and amusing! I just want to clarify that sometimes it is acceptable to use "when" in English to refer to a general condition rather than a strictly time-based one (as it seems to be the case in German), but the distinction may be subtler/stricter than in German. This answer explains it well, I think: "If you say 'when' something happens, you imply it definitely will happen, even if the precise timing is unknown. You use 'if' when (!) there's uncertainty about whether the event will happen at all." --Waldir (talk) 17:24, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi! Despite our slight disagreement regarding the alt text explanation over "Purity", I did want to thank you for going over some of my edits and cleaning them up. The link format here is slightly different than what I'm used to, and it screwed me up. As well, I tend to overuse parenthesis. Don't feel bad about proofreading my edits - I do appreciate it.

If you're confused as to my objection over Purity, I've left a note on the talk page for that comic explaining why I feel what existed before is not sufficient. Jetman123 (talk) 13:12, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate your thanks. My answer on that specific title text is here: Talk:435: Purity --Dgbrt (talk) 19:47, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

German translation

A translation isn't easy at all, my local German page is still mostly in English. It's not easy to figure out the important tamplates, but I did some more enhancements — if the general page does work, the remaining work only belongs to translation (not easy at all).

I think we should start this soon, and because even German people do know English as well there is no need to translate it all. Sometimes just a hint gives a shot. --Dgbrt (talk) 19:05, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Your Undo

On my talk page, you undid my deletion of a user's message. The reason I deleted the message in the first place was that it wasn't meant for me in particular, but meant to be placed in the discussion for 1351. One reason I think that this was meant to be in that discussion is because this is a) the first time metamaterials were mentioned in xkcd (as far as I know); b) the user said "can anybody link" in their message, asking anybody in particular to help. I doubt people check my talk page for a discussion of an xkcd; and c) I did not start, nor join, nor end any discussion about metamaterials and their validity.

So... I'm just asking if you consider it valid to delete it, or if, in your opinion, I should leave it there (I have already added their (exact) words to the discussion for the comic, so that is already there). greptalk22:33, 04 April 2014 (UTC)

In general a discussion should not be deleted at all; I could do the same on this topic, too. Furthermore you do invite people to discuss, so just give them a kind reply. This even could be like -> here we go for further talks. But deleting that looks like ignoring this. Your user page proposes something different. --Dgbrt (talk) 22:48, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Ah. I understand your point of view, and I agree with it. Thanks! greptalk19:04, 05 April 2014 (UTC)

Categories for Lorenz

Hi Dgbrt

Why do you think that obvious categories should not be displayed for Lorenz? See my comment on the talk page. I agree that no input text should give rise to caregories, but what is included in the pictures should. You seem to have accepted color, but Hairy is in most stories wheras only seven panels have colour!

I would use the list below - please explain why not - preferably better than you have so far in the comments on edition or talk page. And also why you should make that ruling?

If you can explain I will stop asking about it. But as of now it was the text below I was ready to add. (I may agree to removing a few - like because the light saber is not ennough for SW...)

Best regards Kynde (talk) 19:39, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


[[Category:Dynamic comics]] [[Category:April fool's comics]] [[Category:Comics with color]] [[Category:Interactive comics]] [[Category:Comics featuring Hairy]] [[Category:Comics featuring White Hat]] [[Category:Comics featuring Cueball]] [[Category:Boomerangs]] [[Category:Computers]] [[Category:Dinosaurs]] [[Category:Pokémon]] [[Category:Dreams]] [[Category:Pokémon]] [[Category:Politics]] [[Category:Star Wars]] [[Category:Sharks]]

Hi Kynde, thanks for your question before starting an edit-war. If your read my comments at my edits you can see that I don't like this massive category block, just because many more categories had to be added when a new picture is found. Finally we would come up with a category ALL.
Most images resemble an excerpt of a former comic, this has to be explained. Even you do not avoid chaos because "Pokémon" is twice at your example. I'm looking for simple but straight forward explains.
--Dgbrt (talk) 21:12, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi Dgbrt.I have trouble understanding this sentence that you have used before: Most images resemble an excerpt of a former comic Can you elaborate or find a different way to say the same so I can follow.
My example is a cut and paste from my former suggestions and the current - that you accept. So this explains duplicate entries. It would not be registered twice if I now how it works.
Still you have not answered my questions to why colour is ok? I belive that if everything is included by Randall so should it here. But that is where we disagree.
Is there a discussion/rule about when to include a category? And if we disagree who should then decide - are you a moderator of this wiki?
Not to include Hairy is weird! Just saying... Kynde (talk) 10:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi Kynde, at my first sentence I tried to explain that most images here at this comic are copies from former comics.
Including every category belonging to this comic images would result in a bottom line filling up half of the screen - finally nearly every category had to be included. --Dgbrt (talk) 20:21, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Can you identify all this stories pics as refering to a previous commic - more than you could for any other commic? Then it should be in the explain as you say. But appart from the shark's and the ref to the previous commics title text on blowtorch I can't spot this. So please help with this. As there are almost a thousand comics I am still looking forward to read I can believe you - but would like to see the links.
It seems like there has not been added new themes for a while. In that case there would only be the 8 I have listed appart from the only three characters. (Corrected my list above to only include one Pokémon).
As the girl has a knit cap on, she seems very distinct - and is not Megan. Has she been seen before - else all pics with her is new. In that case I don't quite see your point. Kynde (talk) 22:00, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Please do not edit former posts at the discussion page. Later adds would not make any sense to other readers. So, please keep the original and add a new one to the bottom here. --Dgbrt (talk) 22:22, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

OK sorryKynde (talk) 02:58, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Back to your question, I know probably all comics and the pictures are in my mind. But I don't know all the comic numbers or names. Read all the thousand missing comics and try to remember them all; that's my struggle. Maybe Google image search could help. But it's still a bunch of work to find them all. And of course, not every picture belongs to former comics. --Dgbrt (talk) 22:22, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I see - that makes sence. I have now put all images foun into categories (I'm indeed an aprils fool and I know it... :-) Hope this makes sence and can help make an almost complete explanation. Seems liek there are not that many new pictures comming along? The themes that equals categoriews should still in my oppinion be added as categories, but I know that you disagree.
You have still not explained to me why your oppinion on this matter weighs more than others. Maybe there is a good reason (if you are a moderator of these pages?) or if others have the same oppinion - but where can I see that - so far only you comment on this issue.
I will be away on a holliday with limited computer power, so if I do not answer you for a week it is not because I'm annoyed with your answers ;-) And as you will see I have not added any categories. Best regards Kynde (talk) 02:58, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
So I wish you happy holidays. But beside of that, I'm not an admin or moderator — I'm just an active editor here looking for standards and clear explanations. A reference to a big part of all comics doesn't make any sense and doesn't explain anything at all. BTW: Try to use a dictionary at your browser, your typos above are ugly. --Dgbrt (talk) 20:19, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
It was written late one night on a tablet... Sorry :-) On another note - would you also recomend deleting all the categories of this earlier April fool's commic? 1037:_Umwelt - I would not but it may be longer than what I suggested for Lorenz! There do not seem to be any new images appearing anymore - not since before we wrote the above. Kynde (talk) 19:52, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
The comic 1037: Umwelt is different because there is a finite number of categories. Lorenz instead would probably end up with every category here, I don't think that this does make any sense. But a hidden category link could be a solution, the Lorenz page would not explode but there would be a link at Category:Comics featuring Cueball to this Aprils Fool comic. Maybe that's a solution? --Dgbrt (talk) 20:22, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Well I do not think that the list of categories could be extended since I wrote to you first more than a month ago. There has not been found any new images so I do think Randall adds more. So it seems finite. All my suggested categories are based on what is in the images - not on what people has written when suggesting a line. Same for the Umwelt. And whi nows how many more versions of umwelt there are which are not acounted for. I do belive your fear for a long list is baseless. And the other BIG commics like 1110:_Click_and_Drag has 14 - I only suggest 11. So to be consistentwe should either delete those or add my suggestions. I think I will do that soon- it makes sence...Kynde (talk) 12:21, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

1330 Strange Layouts

Hi. Wanted to take a crack at completing this strip, but I'm not clear on what needs to be fixed (besides the apparent Megan/Danish issue). What were you referring to when you wrote the incomplete tag? Jimmy C (talk) 15:12, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your hint. The tag was referring a fix, so I did remove it with some small changes. --Dgbrt (talk) 18:18, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

1359 transcript

You introduced ambiguity into it by undenting it. Now the ["???"] can appear to come from [alarm goes off] rather than [beep beep beep beep]. Good job. 141.101.89.231 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Thanks for your hint, but the transcript looks better with only one indent unless there are similar indents at the image. The ways on the flowchart should be shown by text. So feel free to enhance that text. --Dgbrt (talk) 18:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)


980: Money

Why do you think that the transcript for Money should not include the entire text? This makes no sense at all? I did not include any details or explain, just an explain of where the text was located. This is done in numerous transcripts. I was actually ready to try to make a complete transcript over time - but you just killed the insensitive to that! Let me know exactly why I should not move it back - people may actually be interested in this transcript. Kynde (talk) 15:44, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

The transcript gives an overview about the main content, but the details would be shown twice so I think the summary by Randall is enough. I did not delete anything, it's now just at the explain section. And it's much more important to enhance that section. --Dgbrt (talk) 18:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
OK - I may agree partially with you - although I always considered the transcript to be of all the text, so you could understand it, even if you had trouble reading it yourself. Kynde (talk) 11:14, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I was also considering doing a money transcript page like we have for Lorenz. Maybe the explain section could refer to that, so it would not be so incredibly long. If the headings I have made, were made in to subsections like Game consoles under dollars and Raising a child to age 17 under thousands etc. was on such a full transcript page, then each heading could be referenced from a table on the main page, with an explanation of this and that. And then if you wished to see the numbers and text, you clicked on the title of this part of the table. (Like for instance click and drag has for different parts of the comic.)Kynde (talk) 11:14, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
By the way. Where is this original transcript that I have seen people mention several times?Kynde (talk) 19:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I have now made the transcript page for Money, and have finished the thousand section. The next two are much and much much larger. At least the trillions section is easy to do. I will do that next time I get some time Kynde (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)