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Talk:2504: Fissile Raspberry Isotopes

2021-08-21T13:33:15Z

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This joke is like a visual pun, a raspberry fruit looks sorta like a nuclear model, and so it behaves the same (ie can go supercritical). [[Special:Contributions/172.69.35.72|172.69.35.72]] 20:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
:Along with an actual pun: pi in "pi meson" sounds like pie in "raspberry pie". [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 20:43, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
::If it isn't also an intentional tertiary reference to the Raspberry Pi computer board, I'll eat my [https://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi-hats hat]! [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.109|141.101.98.109]] 21:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
:::I'd say you would have to eat it. Cannot see what this comic has to do with a computer board, just because it is named after a raspberry pie. This joke is obviously about the berries looking like nuclear cores, and pie mesons. Not about anything with a computer. So take some salt an eat (or swallow one the hats in your link, along with a camel :p ) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:21, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
::::I interpreted 'tertiary' to mean that randall was [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priming_(psychology) 'primed'] to talk about raspberry pies due to his exposure to the board, and similarly for readers finding it interesting and humorous. [[User:Baffo32|Baffo32]] ([[User talk:Baffo32|talk]]) 08:28, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Though raspberries resemble the common ''depiction'' of nuclei, perhaps we need to explain that in reality, nuclei are rather different..? [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 03:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
:I think anyone reading xkcd and this page, will figure it out via the links ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:21, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
::I tend to forget that nuclei aren't little raspberries made of nucleons, even though I used to be a fusion researcher. In fact I'm sure I was only ever half-aware they weren't (I didn't study the actual nuclear physics, ok!)... so +1 from me in favour of adding a bit about the 'real' nature of nuclei, that would be interesting. --[[User:192·168·0·1|192·168·0·1]] ([[User talk:192·168·0·1|talk]]) 09:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
I would suggest referring to the raspberry parts as 'drupelets' rather than 'ovaries'.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.114.173|172.70.114.173]] 12:58, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
:I love eating the juiciest and sweetest of fruit ovaries, raspberries and strawberries are my favorite but I also enjoy apples and grapes --[[User:Lackadaisical|Lackadaisical]] ([[User talk:Lackadaisical|talk]]) 17:29, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
::I looked this up briefly and I _think_ that the ovaries are what develop into the drupelets, here, not certain, judging by phrasing on wikipedia. So I changed it. Don't eat the ovaries, eat the part that's designed for eating. [[User:Baffo32|Baffo32]] ([[User talk:Baffo32|talk]]) 08:37, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Fine but you forgot the transcript. I have changed it there so drupelet is the word used. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:57, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

The page says "Of course, in real life raspberries don't do that.[citation needed]" - where is one supposed to find a useful citation to state that fields of raspberries ''don't'' explode? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.229.101|108.162.229.101]] 22:18, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
:That’s the point! [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.45|108.162.215.45]] 02:55, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
::It's a joke, and you are free to remove it if you so judge. Others may disagree. Sometimes raspberry farms have some pretty hard to describe explosive activity when their parts combine in rare chain reactions. [[User:Baffo32|Baffo32]] ([[User talk:Baffo32|talk]]) 08:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
:::It's a reference to [https://explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/285:_Wikipedian_Protester 'xkcd 285'], a long running joke in the xkcd community, What If? and Randal's other books, and the xkcd merch shop {{unsigned ip|172.69.42.63}}
::::And severely overused. Imho it should only be used when we are actually looking for a citation for someting stated without proof in the explanation. So I generally feel free to remove them as I did here. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:54, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::I agree there ''can'' (and has been) overuse, but by your criteria there would be absolutely no 285-backrefetencing at all. In use on The Original Wiki and all the rest there other cite-markers requesting an edit to clarify, expand, use better units, add comic issue and page, etc, and th9se exist (or can be made to exist) here.
::::::I wouldn't suggest every clause of every sentence of every paragraph of every comic's explanation be in-joked, but (with exceptions on a very few rare occasions that will doubtlessly be edited down by a future editor like you, or me, anyway) I see no harm in so labelling up to ''one'' axiomatic statement this way per article (the absolutely most obvious and inarguable and, by editors' aggregate concensus without resorting to an edit-war, humorous-to-so-label statement).
::::::By dint of the humour-decay so described, results in one permanent example fit to tickle the funnybone of all but the most curmudgeonly every 2, 3 or 4 comics, on a rolling average. In every case being absolutely obvious to pretty much everyone that it is there for amusement value (especially amidst dry, technical detail) even to those only just arrived upon these particular digital shores...
::::::IMO, of course, having no authority or desire for authority here. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.77.69|141.101.77.69]] 17:30, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
::::: I'm pretty sure part of the joke here is the edit war it can stimulate, not sure. But clearly it would be overdoing it to formalize including one every single explanation. [[User:Baffo32|Baffo32]] ([[User talk:Baffo32|talk]]) 00:13, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I feel like there might be more to this joke. When I'm plucking raspberries in the forest, they break in half pretty often, causing me to get juice on my hands, which is pretty annoying.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.90.253|162.158.90.253]] 21:42, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
:And then that juice on your hands breaks another raspberry in half, because you are worried less about keeping your hands clean ... and then you hand your juicy raspberries to a friend, getting their hand juicy from your hand ... The NRC arrive and it's just red, everywhere. [[User:Baffo32|Baffo32]] ([[User talk:Baffo32|talk]]) 00:16, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

If a Raspberry breaks, germs can better feed off the fruit and multiply then decompose nearby fruits.
The title text states blackberries, not raspberries.
Mesons consist of quark and antiquark. Quark is a dairy product used as ingredient in baking pies. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.89.10|162.158.89.10]] 13:33, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Talk:2497: Logic Gates

2021-08-21T10:22:10Z

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As someone has just Transcripted basically almost all the fine detail I had planned to entable in the Explanation, I shall not now create repetition. Though I had a little more description to the NORXONDOR GOGONAX, in particular, to reference bidirectional (antiparallel) diode pairings (e.g. an LED assembly that glows a different hue depending upon the applied current bias) as probable inspiration, and that latched Flip-Flops surely inspired some part of the Frankensteinian gate-types, too. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.119|141.101.99.119]] 00:08, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

(Also, surprised there was no direct "GONDOR" reference. Or maybe that's because it was ''too'' obvious?) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.211|141.101.99.211]] 00:12, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

: I was also missing a "GONDOR" reference, and all the X's also made me think XEHANORT. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.174|172.70.126.174]] 03:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

: Never mind GONDOR, surely "The black GATES of MORDOR" should feature heavily? 11:45, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

...So, who's ready to draw up some truth tables? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.211|172.70.126.211]] 01:22, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

I can't get the lines in the bitwise-operation example to align properly; the first one is indented a tad. Can someone please fix that? Thanks... [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 04:11, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

The symbol for norx gate (1-input OR, two outputs) I'd read as a noninverting buffer to increase another gate's usable fan-out. Xand gort resembles the symbol for an [[wikipedia:Operational amplifier|op-amp]]. Given the subtraction that an op-amp does, the xand gort's truth table probably resembles that of the [[wikipedia:Material conditional|"implies" operator]]. [[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 04:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

the "NORG XORT" is not equivalent to an XOR, as the symbol is round on the right. --[[Special:Contributions/141.101.69.186|141.101.69.186]] 06:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Right, "NORG XORT" would be a XNAND with inverted inputs, though I don't know what the logic table from a XAND or XNAND gate would look like. If De Morgan applies to XAND/XOR the same way as with AND/OR, would a "NORG XORT" then be equivalent to a XOR ? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.129.43|162.158.129.43]] 15:12, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:: I think it is specifically a hybrid between XOR and NAND. The left edge is curved like OR, and the right edge curved like AND. I did spend some time thinking about XAND, though. One of my ideas was a >2-input AND that is only true if exactly 2 inputs are true. I wonder what qubit gates are like. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.174|108.162.219.174]] 16:16, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

;Logic Gates
It seems to me that their ought to be 16 possible logic gates. Although some would ignore one or both inputs. [[User:Algr|Algr]] ([[User talk:Algr|talk]]) 07:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:Yes. The 74181 4-bit arithmetic logic chip implements all 16 possible binary logic operations. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/74181 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.253|162.158.94.253]] 07:34, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:: It doesn't say the names of the various gates. On my list I made up a few, like "Only B" that only returns true if B is true and A isn't. Are their real names for this? [[User:Algr|Algr]] ([[User talk:Algr|talk]]) 18:57, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::: I could suggest "Unless" (as in 'B unless A', or maybe to counterpart 'A unless B' with standard order of operands, 'A disallows B'). Though the partially composite construct '!A && B' would be easier to grasp by those already handling logic statements, I think. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.76.78|141.101.76.78]] 19:24, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
::: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_function#Table_of_binary_truth_functions --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.126.135|162.158.126.135]] 23:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:::: So '''"Only B"''' is called '''"Converse nonimplication"'''?! Maybe I'm the ''only'' logical person. [[User:Algr|Algr]] ([[User talk:Algr|talk]]) 06:30, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:As Randall drew gates with two outputs, these would have 256 (16^2) possible functions [[Special:Contributions/162.158.94.252|162.158.94.252]] 15:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
:: That couldn't logically be anything but two logic gates sharing the same input. [[User:Algr|Algr]] ([[User talk:Algr|talk]])

there should be a category of comics where it starts out like a normal list and gets weirder and weirder like [[2070:_Trig_Identities|Trig Identities]] [[Special:Contributions/172.70.34.164|172.70.34.164]] 18:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)Bumpf

What, no IMPLIES gate? I actually used this once to implement a NOT operation in a database see search. [[User:Joem5636|Joem5636]] ([[User talk:Joem5636|talk]]) 11:00, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
: Yeah, neither IMPLY nor NIMPLY, the only asymmetric gates where the inputs can't be arbitrarily swapped. IMPLY: 0,0->1; 0,1->1; 1,0->0, 1,1->1; NIMPLY 0,0->0; 0,1->0; 1,0->1, 1,1->0 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.2|162.158.91.2]] 15:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

It appears to me that the new gate names are just taken from the letters of the original gate names: NAND, NOR, XOR,and GATE. They're just stuck together in ways that tickled the creator's fancy. OK, tha's already been noted. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.130.108|172.70.130.108]] 11:11, 4 August 2021 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.239|108.162.216.239]] 11:13, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Unlike professional devs, I don't have a multiocular O key on my keyboard, so I verbosely write out __norxondor_gorgonax_bitwise everywhere in my code when writing kernel modules :-/ [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.44|172.70.110.44]] 22:57, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:You need a [http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/S/space-cadet-keyboard.html better keyboard]. :-) [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 23:35, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Is it just me, or did the first four gates sound Seussy to someone else? "AND gate, OR gate, NOT gate, NOR gate." [[User:GreatWyrmGold|GreatWyrmGold]] ([[User talk:GreatWyrmGold|talk]]) 04:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

there should be a category of comics that start out with obvious/known things and get weirder and weirder like this. the only other one i can think off the top of my head is [[2070:_Trig_Identities|2070: Trig Identities]] though [[Special:Contributions/172.68.65.221|172.68.65.221]] 01:39, 13 August 2021 (UTC)Bumpf

NORG might be a reference to the boss of the same name in Final Fantasy 8
--[[Special:Contributions/162.158.89.10|162.158.89.10]] 10:22, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

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