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<div>Some of the posts in [[#Finally Garden is up on xkcd|Finally Garden is up on xkcd]] where originally posted on the [[Talk:1662:_Jack_and_Jill#What_happened_to_Friday.27s_comic|Talk page for Jack and Jill]], below the section about why this comic was not already up on April 1st. The ''Finally Garden is up on xkcd'' section was moved here, because this was made after the comic was up, but before this page was created... [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 12:11, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
== Finally Garden is up on xkcd ==<br />
:It is here the comic we have been waiting for, and it seems it is a April fool comic although it first came out past midnight in all of the US except Hawaii...<br />
:I do not know when it will be on this page but for those impatient... <br />
:[http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/5/53/Garden_Loading_screen_shot.png Loading screen shot]<br />
:It says to Relax, while it loads, but it will eventually get to a barren land with a growth lamp that can be moved:<br />
:[http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/c/c8/Garden_Lamp_screen_shot.png Starting point screen shot]<br />
:The lamp can be moved and change color.<br />
:[http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/0/09/Garden_Red_Lamp_screen_shot.png Red Lamp selected screen shot]<br />
:It may be there will be something growing if we wait long enough?<br />
:And there will be more lamps and new items:<br />
:[http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/b/b8/Garden_Three_Lamp_screen_shot.png Three Lamps and birdbath screen shot.png]]<br />
:Yes he is messing with us for sure but at least not by not making a comic :-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 09:46, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::I succeeded to get a small plant, but I'm not sure how. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.86.167|162.158.86.167]] 10:16, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Try not to cover everything with every light wavelength. I'm sure you get different plants with different wavelengths: <br />
:::[http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/b/bf/aprilfool-2016-xorg.png Lots of growth].<br />
::::'''Moved the picture links''' to the image page, and inserted direct links to the images instad. It took up too much space. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 12:04, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Also, I've noticed a constant cpu usage, indicating some kind of number crunching. The script's name "linden" reminded me of linden dollars and crowdsourcing bitcoin mining with javascript, but afair linden dollars were never mined nor based on cryptography. -- [[User:Xorg|Xorg]] ([[User talk:Xorg|talk]]) 10:30, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::"Linden" is probably a reference to the Linden trees, a genus (Latin name Tilia). It would make more sense than a reference to dollars, at least. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.135.57|162.158.135.57]] 12:14, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::::My first thought were {{w|Lindenmayer system}}s --[[Special:Contributions/198.41.242.240|198.41.242.240]] 16:29, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Ok, it's *moving*. The leaves wobble in the wind. That explains the cpu usage. So far I have seen the following images: <code>asdfx2=""; for (asdfx in garden.linden.imgCache.imgs) { asdfx2 += asdfx+" "; } asdfx2<br />
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"http://xkcd.com/1663/art/background.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/talltrunk-2.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/shrub-8.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/wavyplant-3.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/turtle-1.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/shrub-6.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/birdbath.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/cactus-2.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/trunk-6.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/branch-11.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/branch-18.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/woman-1a.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/branch-21.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/rover.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/leaves-7.png http://xkcd.com/1663/art/leaves-6.png "<br />
</code> -- [[User:Xorg|Xorg]] ([[User talk:Xorg|talk]]) 12:10, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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For those who are in https (with firefox for example) and don't see the "comic", there is mixed content. Click on the padlock on the up-left corner, then on the arrow, then "disable the protection against not secure elements" (or something like that). [[User:Seipas|Seipas]] ([[User talk:Seipas|talk]]) 11:32, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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The comic is finally here! ... but it won't load on my computer. Does anybody know what the problem might be or how I can fix it? [[User:Soad Kraken|Soad Kraken]] ([[User talk:Soad Kraken|talk]]) 12:45, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Does not load (continually Loading...) on IE/FF/Chrome for me (in UK, non-https, ad-blockers turned off) any ideas? {{unsigned ip|141.101.98.114}}<br />
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Loads for me in Chrome, but then every time it refreshes, it resets the lamps to the default (one lamp in center). Removes the ones I added. Does this happen to anyone else? [[User:Vixy|Vixy]] ([[User talk:Vixy|talk]]) 16:51, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Did someone try the debugmode?<br />
:http://xkcd.com/1663/?debug#YourCode<br />
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It also logs data in the console<br />
[[User:Magno|Magno]] ([[User talk:Magno|talk]]) 12:51, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Doesn't work even in HTTP at all. Both Chrome and Firefox fail to load the content due to CORS: "EventSource cannot load http://linden.xkcd.com/run. No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource. Origin 'http://xkcd.com' is therefore not allowed access. The response had HTTP status code 500." [[Special:Contributions/141.101.80.31|141.101.80.31]] 16:37, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Post new images here: [[1663: Garden/Screen-shots]]. Anyone know what happens to the site, it looks really weird and it is difficult to use the site now. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:52, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:Ah I can see there is a [[explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Technical#mw-head|community post about this]] already. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 07:22, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== April Fools? ==<br />
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What's the evidence that this is an April Fools comic? I think that the April Fools joke this year was the absence of a comic, and all the silly excuses about it when it was never coming. [[User:JoDu987|JoDu987]] ([[User talk:JoDu987|talk]]) 15:48, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:It's interactive. April Fools comics are always interactive. Normal comics rarely are. [[User:Mikemk|Mikemk]] ([[User talk:Mikemk|talk]]) 16:52, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::I would rather say that it is also an april fool's comic because it came late. But first of all it has the pointless but time consuming concept of user input resulting in a comic that has no joke in it self, or at least only user made. Second the comic is rather complex and doesn't seem to work on all browsers. I cannot make it work on my explorer at home, but it did work at my office. It seems likely that he has worked very hard t make this work. When he then had problems with it Friday, he may have taken the chance of using April 1st to make excuses that people could read as being an April fool's joke. But neither way, he tells in the status updates that we are awaiting a complex comic, and in the end he said that the Friday comic (from April 1st) would come Sunday evening, and it did, so this is Fridays comic and thus also April the 1st's comic. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 18:52, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Oddly, IE is the only browser I could get it to work on. [[User:Mikemk|Mikemk]] ([[User talk:Mikemk|talk]]) 22:41, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:The April Fool's Joke is lost on everyone here so far. Let me explain. You have 3 lamps you are allowed to use max and 3 different colors you can use max. That means there are a total of 7 possible colors you can use to grow things in your garden (red only, yellow only, blue only, red+yellow, red+blue, yellow+blue, and red+yellow+blue). If you are OCD, like me, you will work to position the lamps in such a way that all possible combinations are available at different positions on the ground. However, it cannot be done or if it can I have yet to find a way! I believe that is why the title text says "Relax". Because he knows the challenge will drive people crazy trying to find the solution. Maybe there is one but I think the April Fool's joke is that there isn't a possible solution but people will spend lots of time trying anyway.[[User:R0hrshach|R0hrshach]] ([[User talk:R0hrshach|talk]]) 16:33, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::I updated the explanation with this information but apparently someone didn't like that and just removed the entire paragraph without any alternate explanation. Oh well...[[User:R0hrshach|R0hrshach]] ([[User talk:R0hrshach|talk]]) 17:23, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::This doesn't sound likely to me. It is impossible to do what you describe, and I would think "Relax" refers to the slow growth rate of the gardens. [[User:KangaroOS|Kangaro]][[User talk:KangaroOS|OS]] 18:18, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::And also it is possible over time because you can move the lamps. By the way there are more than three colors. There are also white and other hues in between red and yellow and red and blue. So there are many more combos. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 22:30, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::I agree that "Relax" can have multiple meanings but the fact that you are limited to 3 lamps and 3 primary colors bears significance to me. Or why not let you spawn in 4 or 5 or 6? I also think the April Fool's joke can refer to the fact that gardens are meant to be relaxing but instead you will be left tending your garden and working to achieve all possible combinations. The opposite of relaxing.[[User:R0hrshach|R0hrshach]] ([[User talk:R0hrshach|talk]]) 03:43, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::There are many more colors than three. White Yellow Orange is not the light yellow you start out with. And there are deeper shapes of orange before turning red and similar it goes from Blue to White. I have tried 9 different color settings between blue and red, links can be found down in the middle of the table [[1663:_Garden/Users_gardens#Experimental_gardens|here]], and since all nine are clearly different, I will now try to set the light in between those nine for additional eight settings. This has been tricky but I'm now positive that the settings are different for all 17. I will soon post the next eight links the same place, in between the other 9. Of course these gardens are then almost created a day later so this has to be taken into acount when comparing the growth. Maybe this time there will be some gardens that are exactly the same type (not the same), but if not it means there are too many combinations to check, as if there where not already that. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:55, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Mobile ==<br />
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Like many of the dynamic comics, Garden doesn't interact well with mobile devices, but I have found a workaround for this one. On my Android tablet, going to m.xkcd.com/1663 gives me a page where I can manipulate the lights - tap once on a light to reveal the handles, tap in whitespace to hide them - but the landscape and growth are not rendered.<br />
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But, as I manipulate the lights, a string is appended to the URL; if I replace the initial '''m''' with '''www''' while preserving this string, I get a page where the landscape and growth are displayed. But from this page, I cannot manipulate the lights. But it does appear that the string includes enough information to prevent "losing progress", as several iterations of swapping between the mobile and desktop URLs retained all existing growth. Therefore, some level of timestamp information may also be included in the composition of this string. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.73|108.162.216.73]] 14:18, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Actually, it doesn't look like the URL changes when I move the lights after all. So now instead I'm guessing it's more of a unique identifier or something. If two people both use the same string, will one person's act of moving a light be reflected by the other user refreshing their browser? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.73|108.162.216.73]] 14:33, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Resets ==<br />
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Resets occur sporadically, because they are actually happenning when there was a connection_error event in the WebWorker. The "game" is continually contacting the server (linden.xkcd.com) and is resetting the page on the connection errors. The fact that this resets the progress is probably a bug. --[[User:DukeBG|DukeBG]] ([[User talk:DukeBG|talk]]) 16:52, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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It seems to reset the light placement and settings too, not just the plants in the garden [[Special:Contributions/162.158.210.238|162.158.210.238]] 07:06, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Linux ==<br />
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Anyone else NOT able to get it to work on Linux. Tried Chrome, and FF, both with all extensions disabled. Linux Mint (like Ubuntu). Constantly says "Loading..."<br />
[[Special:Contributions/162.158.214.217|162.158.214.217]] 17:23, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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You're not the only one. Running Unbuntu 12.04. Opera displays "Loading ..." for over 30 minutes. Firefox finishes loading and I can add and tweak lamps, but nothing grows.<br />
[[Special:Contributions/108.162.218.59|108.162.218.59]] 19:32, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Works fine with chromium on gentoo. {{unsigned ip|162.158.83.156}}<br />
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I had the same problem with Firefox on Ubuntu 15.04. However, reloading the page fixed it. Maybe it's got something to do with caching, or maybe it just only works with some chance. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.104.92|141.101.104.92]] 11:02, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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trying to use chromebook - garden did not load, finally checked-again (today/fri) and it loads/grows ok... but, apparently i cannot see the text to prove i am not a bot to provide edits... (edit: well, here i can, just not in experimental-garden... maybe just a fluke...) [[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.67|108.162.215.67]] 15:45, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Available "plants" ==<br />
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<strike>I've got a Megan so far. Are we going to try to compile a list of what things will grow in the garden? --[[User:KingStarscream|KingStarscream]] ([[User talk:KingStarscream|talk]]) 19:06, 4 April 2016 (UTC)</strike><br />
: Oversight on my part. Apologies. --[[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.64|173.245.52.64]] 19:18, 4 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Suggestions for the explanation ==<br />
What is missing and what would be interesting. And how can you help... Add it here below, maybe even with subheadings. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:18, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
===Possible items===<br />
*Someone has made a list of [[1663:_Garden/Images|images of items]] that can be found on xkcd and seems to be complete. <br />
**Can anyone say for certain if it is complete now?<br />
***And can we be certain no new items appear? Anyone who can check this?<br />
**Can someone easily download all the images?<br />
***And if so either post them here as a zip file, or even better upload them to xkcd so we can have a page like this [[1350: Lorenz/Images]] for these items<br />
****And later tables similar to those in the [[1350: Lorenz#Themes|themes section]] of [[1350: Lorenz]]!<br />
*[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:27, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Got a Megan on stilts (http://xkcd.com/1663/#9ed4d584-fb59-11e5-8001-42010a8e0009). Could not find in the list, but did not know, how or where to add it. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.85.177|162.158.85.177]] 10:15, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::The forum speculates that additional images are being automatically unlocked after some delay. [http://xkcd.com/1663/art/2x-balloon-huge.png Balloon huge] and [http://xkcd.com/1663/art/2x-owl.png Owl] seem to have first appeared yesterday. The [http://xkcd.com/1663/art/2x-platform-column-3.png Platform column] series now appears under some blue lighting. The [http://linden.xkcd.com/?debug#9ed4d584-fb59-11e5-8001-42010a8e0009 debugger] lists filenames in the console. [[User:.42|.42]] ([[User talk:.42|talk]]) 19:08, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::How do people find these images, I mean where do you get the addresses? Please keep posting new links to new items on the link above. We should try to collect them for the explanation when we later actually find out what this was all about (apart from fooling us to sped time watching grass grow, and relax :-) [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:16, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::::Ah I did not understand .42's comment at first, but I now found that following the link to his (really cool) garden above (in Firefox) and pressing F12 and then going to console the names of each image item is listed (and how many of each are in the image). Thanks. I have now uploaded all 195 images (well fou was uploaded), to the page with [[1663:_Garden/Images|images of items]]. These can now be used in the explanation. (PS .I have this [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/5/50/1663_garden_Stilt_girl_with_owl_on_her_head_and_planter_and_more.png great garden] to the [[1663: Garden/Users gardens#Experimental gardens|user gardens]]. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 11:21, 11 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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===Urls===<br />
*'''[[1663: Garden/Users gardens|Post urls here]]'''.<br />
*Seems like the urls are not quite understood.<br />
**What I have found so far is that the urls do not change after you load a garden. Even if something grows or if the lights are moved.<br />
**If you save the url to begin with it will stay the same. <br />
**But if you load the url later then it is a view only image.<br />
***The questions are if the garden that an url refer to can be manipulated by the original user, to change what others see later even though they have the url. <br />
***My gardens reload to often to really have a chance to test this. But the url I posted yesterday (now used as [[1663:_Garden#Permanent_link|example]]) under explanation of permalinks kept developing after I copied it and closed the garden down.<br />
*[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:27, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::I have understood it much better now, and the explanation has been changed to the way it work. Urls are still interesting to see how peoples gardens develop, but they are not permalinks, so only screen shots will be useful to guide the explanation.I have taken lots already of peoples posted interesting gardens, before they became overgrown or the interesting part might get deleted by the owner of the garden. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:42, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before, but Cueball can look like he's holding items if they grow on his outstretched hand. <br />
http://xkcd.com/#8d526e44-fb49-11e5-8001-42010a8e000c<br />
[[Special:Contributions/162.158.38.207|162.158.38.207]] 10:03, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:It has not directly. More that it can grow on other things. Nice garden. I'll put it in the url section and post a screen shot with the twig on Cueballs hand. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Title text ==<br />
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The "Create new light" and "Remove selected (delete key)" icons have their own title text. I don't think anything else does though. {{unsigned ip|141.101.98.74}}<br />
:Great thanks. Had not noticed. Added this to the explanation now. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:26, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Colour mapping ==<br />
* Yellow light grows plants and birdbaths, but so does a combination of Magenta and Cyan light.<br />
* Magenta light grows cacti and turtles. Yellow light does not seem to affect this.<br />
* Cyan light grows octopuses.<br />
* Yellow light plus Cyan light grows office furniture.<br />
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:Great it would be nice to see some garden urls or screen shots, especially of the furniture, which I haven't seen yet. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 21:29, 5 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I've noticed that blue + yellow sometimes yields really tall tress. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.103|162.158.255.103]] 17:00, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I made a garden with GUID f31fe17a-fb3f-11e5-8001-42010a8e000d to show the effects of mixing Magenta with either Cyan or Yellow. Interestingly on the left there are no cacti, only wavy plants and turtles, and I see a couple of birds have recently arrived. Meanwhile on the right you see something much like a regular Yellow garden, with trees, shrubs and bird baths with ducks. My second garden has GUID 6ebc8e04-fb50-11e5-8002-42010a8e0014 where I wanted to see the effect of mixing Cyan with Yellow. The pure Yellow section has a regular garden, the pure Cyan section an octopus farm, while in the middle we have what I can only describe as a white section, where I have a couple of desks (but sadly no lamp), balloons, bunnies, cats, a plant pot, and even an obelisk. --[[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.74|141.101.98.74]] 19:15, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://xkcd.com/1663/art/2x-bird-5.png Bird 5] ==<br />
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What's in the beak of [http://xkcd.com/1663/art/2x-bird-5.png Bird 5]? It reminds me of [[614: Woodpecker]], but it's something different. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.86.167|162.158.86.167]] 07:29, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:It looks to me like a mobile phone with charger cable attached {{unsigned ip|141.101.104.174}}<br />
::Yes that might be it, I had thought a mouse with a USB cable... By the way great spotted with the woodpecker. Beret Guy is also in this comic. This is why we need a table of items to make such observations. But who will do it ;-) [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:29, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Lost gardens after new comic ==<br />
Have others lost access to changing their garden after Wednesdays comic came out? Even though I can find it via the new link (as described in the trivia section) then it seems I can no longer change anything and just has to see my gardens develop on their own. That would be a shame. If everyone experience this, then it may be fixed? [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:51, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:Same here. New gardens are editable, however. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.255.103|162.158.255.103]] 17:16, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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::I hope this gets fixed cause my garden needs some pruning... [[User:Palmerito0|Palmerito0]] ([[User talk:Palmerito0|talk]]) 17:32, 6 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:I still can adjust the lights and prune but my gardens do not seem to grow any more... Time limited activity or maximum objects, clicks ??? Wed Apr 6 22:20:24 EDT 2016<br />
::I have seen such issues too. I used a [http://xkcd.com/1663/#03eae800-fc18-11e5-8001-42010a8e0019 garden] to create this [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/9/90/1663_garden_Three_colors.png color map]. And that garden I can actually still change here almost a day after, but at the time I post this link nothing had grown... On a more sad note the other garden which I just became so fond of when I saw it earlier today on another computer is again lost to me, and I cannot prune it. This really sucks. I'm now trying to make three new gardens in three different browsers to see if I will continue having this problem... :-( [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:09, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes today I could prune the gardens I started growing yesterday. Hope it will stay this way. Was getting afraid the garden had to stay open all the time to keep it running and with all the cpu it uses that would not have worked for me. Great that it at least works today. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 14:05, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Requires light on ground? ==<br />
I created a garden (GUID 5fad7434-fba3-11e5-8001-42010a8e0009) in which the lights are directed upward, but nothing has grown. This would seem to indicate that even the "flying" objects are "grown" from a particular piece of ground. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.217.191|108.162.217.191]] 22:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC)mathuaerknedam<br />
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:Flying objects have invisible riser elements that grow first, such as http://linden.xkcd.com/art/bird-riser.png -- [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.4|108.162.219.4]] 01:59, 7 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::Yes see this example with [http://www.xkcd.com/1663/#6a6a7be0-fbbe-11e5-800d-42010a8e0008 light only above ground], and many more like it here [[1663: Garden/Users gardens]] [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:48, 8 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Not working... ==<br />
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I'm on Mac OS, and I have tried 3 different browsers with no luck loading this. It works fine on my phone, but Firefox, Chrome, and Safari on my laptop all hang at the loading screen. If i click on a link with a specified UUID in it (from this page for example), it goes into a refresh loop. I've tried clearing my cache, and using incognito on chrome. Anyone have any ideas?<br />
[[Special:Contributions/108.162.246.115|108.162.246.115]] 03:03, 10 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Videos ==<br />
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Some people have recorded videos for Youtube. [[User:.42|.42]] ([[User talk:.42|talk]]) 13:00, 14 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuw9F0yal14 Let's Plant]<br />
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oupCEUTPthA Timelapse 1]<br />
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7RGuasEKUA Timelapse 2] {{unsigned|.42}}<br />
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==Memory issues==<br />
The article claims that the memory issues have been fixed. However, as of April 17, I'm still seeing the memory usage of the process in Chromium steadily rising - is the memory usage being fixed part just incorrect? Skimming through the source cited, I didn't see anything saying it was fixed, but if it was there, I probably missed it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.91|173.245.54.91]] 22:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: The memory issues probably relate to how each browser and operating system handles many static images drawn over each other. It's surprising that Chromium would have problems, since Google uses a more complicated version of this for everything. Software that tries to be too clever might store every frame expecting that it can always recover an image from memory faster than it can redraw a particular canvas state. They might also just be bad at garbage collection.<br />
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: I've noticed Firefox seems to have trouble with increased zoom. Zooming out might reduce the amount of leaking image data. [[User:.42|.42]] ([[User talk:.42|talk]]) 01:52, 18 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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:: Apparently there have been outstanding issues with images leaking memory in Chrome for [https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=337425 over three years]. [[User:.42|.42]] ([[User talk:.42|talk]]) 02:06, 18 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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: Eventually I realized this must be a misunderstanding of the note about the giant image bug being fixed. When I wrote that, I meant the fix seemed to be so drastic that it simultaneously ''caused'' memory problems. It appeared that linden.js had tried to process something unusual and briefly exploded. Afterward the original images began to replace the cached double-size images. [[User:.42|.42]] ([[User talk:.42|talk]]) 13:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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The stilt girl seems to be disappeared (as an image) but things placed on her head are still visible. Floating cats and owls everywhere. :D [[Special:Contributions/162.158.83.120|162.158.83.120]]<br />
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== Has growth almost halted? ==<br />
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It seems that the growth rate has decreased dramatically to the point where many new gardens seems barren. Yesterday, two weeks after the release, I started a new color experiment, like the one started a few days after the original release (See [[1663:_Garden/Screen-shots#One_lamp_one_color|One lamp one color]]). See the new gardens at [[1663:_Garden/Users_gardens#Locked_gardens_only_for_explanation_use|the bottom of the table]] in the locked garden section of user gardens. I made 34 new gardens in one go and most of them are still completely bare after almost two days. And only five have more than 2 items in them. The growth rate is far less than one item for each "garden hour" (i.e. if all the 34 gardens hours are divided up into the number of new items!) But this seems like it has begun even before these gardens (as the 6 growth speed gardens started on April 11th above these new 34 also displayed lack of growth). I wondered if everyone else experiences the same? Maybe Garden was only for the first two weeks. Also nothing new has appeared since the last boost with all the Linsangs, fish and large birds. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 11:10, 20 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
: I saw much less growth yesterday. Currently trees seem to grow most quickly.I think the server has a lot of other work sometimes, which slows down garden processing. I haven't been able to view more than six gardens at the same time; how do you watch 34? [[User:.42|.42]] ([[User talk:.42|talk]]) 13:04, 20 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::I do not watch them simultaneous. I just stated 34 gardens at the same time (started one garden copied the link clicked away to the next comic and then back to repeat the process). Then I pasted all the links into the table I linked to above. And the first 1½ days almost nothing happened, in many gardens not a single thing had grown. I will check again now about 3 days after the initiation. See my result in the table. But if this is general then the comic literally stops being interesting. Start a new garden and come back in a week to see two things... Great we tried it during the first 2 weeks then. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:51, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I have noted that new gardens where the link is saved but not left open seems to no longer sprout anything. But by leaving the garden open in a browser will then trigger growth (relatively rapid). Tried it with several gardens, where nothing appeared for several days. Then I left one garden open (by chance) and when I came back an hour later it was full of growth where none was before after two days. Tried it with the other gardens to see the same. Maybe there where too many gardens running, and to make anything happen for those who actually tried to sit and watch and relax, this change was invoked. Because in the beginning gardens grew a lot even if you never looked at them. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 08:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Header text ==<br />
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Has anyone noticed that the header text hasn't changed back from "Protip: If you don't like how your garden is growing, you can click to prune it.<br />
Copy the URL to save/share (garden will be view-only from other browsers.)" to the usual message: "XKCD updates every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday."? Should/could anyone alert Randall or the site's admin? {{unsigned ip|141.101.102.205}}<br />
:We do not have anything to do with Randall - we just try to understand and explain his comics. I think he still like to keep peoples attention to the Garden comic. But I agree it is weird he hasn't changed it so it only displays on that comic by now. He has a few other comics that has different headings than the main page. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 19:53, 21 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
::And now it has changed back somewhere between the 22nd (before the Friday comic came out and Sunday 24th). See updated [[1663:_Garden#Header_text_after_release|Header text after release]] section. [[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 20:34, 24 April 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Do I have to always stare at the tab for the garden to develop? Is it possible for the garden to grow when you are looking at another tab in the same browser?--[[User:Some user|Some user]] ([[User talk:Some user|talk]]) 01:08, 26 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
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== Broken ==<br />
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The garden seems to be broken. I tried it on several different browsers & got no images at the link. I'm curious if it works for anyone else. 😥 If it *is* broken for everyone, should this be added to the page? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.187.131|162.158.187.131]] 16:51, 27 December 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:It seems to be working now!!! I just tried it on Brave Browser & it seems to work, when it ''was'' indeed broken in December. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.127|108.162.237.127]] 18:09, 25 July 2021 (UTC)<br />
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:Broken as of 2022-Jan-26. [[User:Nitpicking|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking|talk]]) 01:42, 27 January 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Still broken on Google Chrome as of March 2022. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.126.87|172.70.126.87]] 05:00, 14 March 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Still broken on Google Chrome, Safari, Opera, Edge, and Firefox as of March 2022. Tested on OS X Monterey. [[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 18:56, 24 March 2022 (UTC)</div>Seezeehttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2133:_EHT_Black_Hole_Picture&diff=172329Talk:2133: EHT Black Hole Picture2019-04-05T19:27:28Z<p>Seezee: </p>
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:Seems like there are a lot of vandals nowadays... I don't think I would be against requiring registration to edit pages. [[User:Linker|Linker]] ([[User talk:Linker|talk]]) 19:19, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::I totally agree. It doesn't really detract from the ability to edit a page, it's still easy, but it just adds an extra step for vandals.<br />
:It's true, and you know that it's true, fucking shill. {{unsigned|108.162.246.215}}<br />
::I know that it exists, and I'm not going to argue it. Oh, also not signing a post doesn't hide your IP. You can literally see the IPs of anyone who edits the page, Mr. 108.162.246.215 [[User:9yz|9yz]] ([[User talk:9yz|talk]]) 17:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::The IPs are irrelevant anyway, they're CloudFlare's -- [[Special:Contributions/162.158.90.36|162.158.90.36]] 18:23, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
In the transcript, Cueball is described as standing behind a podium. He may be standing /on/ a podium, but he is standing /behind/ a lectern.<br />
[[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 17:47, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
:Arent podiums and lecterns the same thing? [[User:9yz|9yz]] ([[User talk:9yz|talk]]) 17:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::No - https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-lectern-and-vs-podium/<br />
::No. Podium (from the Latin root meaning "foot") is the thing you stand on, a raised platform or dais. Lectern (from Latin "to read") is the stand that provides a place for notes or other written prompts, from which a speaker may read during a lecture or presentation. It's not uncommon for people to conflate them. [[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 18:02, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::If enough people conflate them, it's not a mistake any more, it becomes another definition. And lexicographers often use written uses as confirmation, so anyone who wants to see podium get this sense should forward this URL to all the dictionary publishers.[[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 18:15, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::::What's the threshold for "enough people" (itself a grammatically incorrect phrase; see https://grammarist.com/usage/amount-number/)? In any case, I'm not getting into a debate about prescriptive vs. descriptive lexicography as it's off-topic and trollish. Besides, the transcript has been updated. [[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 18:23, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::[[1661: Podium]] [[User:Jacky720|That's right, Jacky720 just signed this]] ([[User talk:Jacky720|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacky720|contribs]]) 19:15, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::Heh. I'd forgotten that. Thanks, Jacky720! [[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 19:27, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Is there really anything else we need to add to the explanation? It seems complete.[[User:9yz|9yz]] ([[User talk:9yz|talk]]) 19:02, 5 April 2019 (UTC)</div>Seezeehttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2133:_EHT_Black_Hole_Picture&diff=172321Talk:2133: EHT Black Hole Picture2019-04-05T18:27:38Z<p>Seezee: Slight phrase change to avoid repetition.</p>
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:It's true, and you know that it's true, fucking shill.<br />
::I know that it exists, and I'm not going to argue it. Oh, also not signing a post doesn't hide your IP. You can literally see the IPs of anyone who edits the page, Mr. 108.162.246.215 [[User:9yz|9yz]] ([[User talk:9yz|talk]]) 17:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::The IPs are irrelevant anyway, they're CloudFlare's -- [[Special:Contributions/162.158.90.36|162.158.90.36]] 18:23, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
In the transcript, Cueball is described as standing behind a podium. He may be standing /on/ a podium, but he is standing /behind/ a lectern.<br />
[[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 17:47, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
:Arent podiums and lecterns the same thing? [[User:9yz|9yz]] ([[User talk:9yz|talk]]) 17:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::No - https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-lectern-and-vs-podium/<br />
::No. Podium (from the Latin root meaning "foot") is the thing you stand on, a raised platform or dais. Lectern (from Latin "to read") is the stand that provides a place for notes or other written prompts, from which a speaker may read during a lecture or presentation. It's not uncommon for people to conflate them. [[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 18:02, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::If enough people conflate them, it's not a mistake any more, it becomes another definition. And lexicographers often use written uses as confirmation, so anyone who wants to see podium get this sense should forward this URL to all the dictionary publishers.[[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 18:15, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::What's the threshold for "enough people" (itself a grammatically incorrect phrase; see https://grammarist.com/usage/amount-number/)? In any case, I'm not getting into a debate about prescriptive vs. descriptive lexicography as it's off-topic and trollish. Besides, the transcript has been updated. [[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 18:23, 5 April 2019 (UTC)</div>Seezeehttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2133:_EHT_Black_Hole_Picture&diff=172320Talk:2133: EHT Black Hole Picture2019-04-05T18:25:15Z<p>Seezee: Acknowledge transcript edit.</p>
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:It's true, and you know that it's true, fucking shill.<br />
::I know that it exists, and I'm not going to argue it. Oh, also not signing a post doesn't hide your IP. You can literally see the IPs of anyone who edits the page, Mr. 108.162.246.215 [[User:9yz|9yz]] ([[User talk:9yz|talk]]) 17:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::The IPs are irrelevant anyway, they're CloudFlare's -- [[Special:Contributions/162.158.90.36|162.158.90.36]] 18:23, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
In the transcript, Cueball is described as standing behind a podium. He may be standing /on/ a podium, but he is standing /behind/ a lectern.<br />
[[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 17:47, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
:Arent podiums and lecterns the same thing? [[User:9yz|9yz]] ([[User talk:9yz|talk]]) 17:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::No - https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-lectern-and-vs-podium/<br />
::No. Podium (from the Latin root meaning "foot") is the thing you stand on, a raised platform or dais. Lectern (from Latin "to read") is the stand that provides a place for notes or other written prompts, from which a speaker may read during a lecture or presentation. It's not uncommon for people to conflate them. [[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 18:02, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::If enough people conflate them, it's not a mistake any more, it becomes another definition. And lexicographers often use written uses as confirmation, so anyone who wants to see podium get this sense should forward this URL to all the dictionary publishers.[[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 18:15, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::What's the threshold for "enough people" (itself a grammatically incorrect phrase; see https://grammarist.com/usage/amount-number/)? In any case, I'm not getting into a debate about prescriptive vs. descriptive lexicography as it's off-topic and trollish. In any case, the transcript has been updated. [[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 18:23, 5 April 2019 (UTC)</div>Seezeehttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2133:_EHT_Black_Hole_Picture&diff=172319Talk:2133: EHT Black Hole Picture2019-04-05T18:23:56Z<p>Seezee: Lexicographical philosophy.</p>
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:It's true, and you know that it's true, fucking shill.<br />
::I know that it exists, and I'm not going to argue it. Oh, also not signing a post doesn't hide your IP. You can literally see the IPs of anyone who edits the page, Mr. 108.162.246.215 [[User:9yz|9yz]] ([[User talk:9yz|talk]]) 17:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::The IPs are irrelevant anyway, they're CloudFlare's -- [[Special:Contributions/162.158.90.36|162.158.90.36]] 18:23, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
In the transcript, Cueball is described as standing behind a podium. He may be standing /on/ a podium, but he is standing /behind/ a lectern.<br />
[[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 17:47, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
:Arent podiums and lecterns the same thing? [[User:9yz|9yz]] ([[User talk:9yz|talk]]) 17:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::No - https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-lectern-and-vs-podium/<br />
::No. Podium (from the Latin root meaning "foot") is the thing you stand on, a raised platform or dais. Lectern (from Latin "to read") is the stand that provides a place for notes or other written prompts, from which a speaker may read during a lecture or presentation. It's not uncommon for people to conflate them. [[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 18:02, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::If enough people conflate them, it's not a mistake any more, it becomes another definition. And lexicographers often use written uses as confirmation, so anyone who wants to see podium get this sense should forward this URL to all the dictionary publishers.[[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 18:15, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::What's the threshold for "enough people" (itself a grammatically incorrect phrase; see https://grammarist.com/usage/amount-number/)? In any case, I'm not getting into a debate about prescriptive vs. descriptive lexicography as it's off-topic and trollish. [[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 18:23, 5 April 2019 (UTC)</div>Seezeehttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2133:_EHT_Black_Hole_Picture&diff=172311Talk:2133: EHT Black Hole Picture2019-04-05T18:03:14Z<p>Seezee: Add space between comment and signature.</p>
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:It's true, and you know that it's true, fucking shill.<br />
::I know that it exists, and I'm not going to argue it. Oh, also not signing a post doesn't hide your IP. You can literally see the IPs of anyone who edits the page, Mr. 108.162.246.215 [[User:9yz|9yz]] ([[User talk:9yz|talk]]) 17:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
In the transcript, Cueball is described as standing behind a podium. He may be standing /on/ a podium, but he is standing /behind/ a lectern.<br />
[[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 17:47, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
:Arent podiums and lecterns the same thing? [[User:9yz|9yz]] ([[User talk:9yz|talk]]) 17:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::No - https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-lectern-and-vs-podium/<br />
::No. Podium (from the Latin root meaning "foot") is the thing you stand on, a raised platform or dais. Lectern (from Latin "to read") is the stand that provides a place for notes or other written prompts, from which a speaker may read during a lecture or presentation. It's not uncommon for people to conflate them. [[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 18:02, 5 April 2019 (UTC)</div>Seezeehttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2133:_EHT_Black_Hole_Picture&diff=172310Talk:2133: EHT Black Hole Picture2019-04-05T18:02:01Z<p>Seezee: Define lectern, podium.</p>
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:It's true, and you know that it's true, fucking shill.<br />
::I know that it exists, and I'm not going to argue it. Oh, also not signing a post doesn't hide your IP. You can literally see the IPs of anyone who edits the page, Mr. 108.162.246.215 [[User:9yz|9yz]] ([[User talk:9yz|talk]]) 17:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
In the transcript, Cueball is described as standing behind a podium. He may be standing /on/ a podium, but he is standing /behind/ a lectern.<br />
[[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 17:47, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
:Arent podiums and lecterns the same thing? [[User:9yz|9yz]] ([[User talk:9yz|talk]]) 17:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)<br />
::No - https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-lectern-and-vs-podium/<br />
::No. Podium (from the Latin root meaning "foot") is the thing you stand on, a raised platform or dais. Lectern (from Latin "to read") is the stand that provides a place for notes or other written prompts, from which a speaker may read during a lecture or presentation. It's not uncommon for people to conflate them.[[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 18:02, 5 April 2019 (UTC)</div>Seezeehttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2133:_EHT_Black_Hole_Picture&diff=172301Talk:2133: EHT Black Hole Picture2019-04-05T17:47:40Z<p>Seezee: Lectern, not podium.</p>
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:It's true, and you know that it's true, fucking shill.<br />
In the transcript, Cueball is described as standing behind a podium. He may be standing /on/ a podium, but he is standing /behind/ a lectern.<br />
[[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 17:47, 5 April 2019 (UTC)</div>Seezeehttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2097:_Thor_Tools&diff=168111Talk:2097: Thor Tools2019-01-14T18:38:26Z<p>Seezee: Add possibility of "axis" being a play on words.</p>
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I think the comment about the axis direction is based on how you interpret the terms Best and Worst - either for Thor or those who encounter him. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 17:15, 11 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
:I agree. That interpretation should be in the explanation instead of the present one.--[[User:Pere prlpz|Pere prlpz]] ([[User talk:Pere prlpz|talk]]) 19:58, 11 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
::Nah. It's definitely "Best" as "Funniest". -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 23:07, 11 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::Could "axis" be a play on words? The plural of "axis" is "axes." [[User:Seezee|Seezee]] ([[User talk:Seezee|talk]]) 18:38, 14 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
Many nail-guns use cartridges filled with a combustible material (gunpowder or similar) rather than a supply of compressed air. A blank load of a .22 rimfire pistol cartridge is typical. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder-actuated_tool [[Special:Contributions/50.202.80.200|50.202.80.200]] 18:35, 11 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Is there a possibility that the reversed axis suggests an (aero)plane as the worst weapon? Bad taste rules it out I suppose. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.212.179|108.162.212.179]] 18:46, 11 January 2019 (UTC) Nic<br />
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I think a lightning staple/nail gun would be pretty dope...[[User:Linker|Linker]] ([[User talk:Linker|talk]]) 18:52, 11 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
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I've been hit or otherwise injured by most of these, but I do not know of anyone who has been planed, that's how dangerous planes are, everyone knows to be careful. [[User:SDSpivey|SDSpivey]] ([[User talk:SDSpivey|talk]]) 19:17, 11 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
: I'm not sure if you're being humorous or if you have experience with powered board planers. Are they dangerous? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.178|162.158.78.178]] 20:37, 11 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
:: It's like that World War II story about warplanes returning to base with an especially large amount of bullet holes away from the engine compartment: the reason being that shots to the engine were often fatal to the vehicle. Similarly, there are few people who are left to tell the horrors of plane tool injuries, as they are almost universally fatal. (I'm interpreting OP's post as a joke, for the record)[[Special:Contributions/172.69.62.10|172.69.62.10]] 02:53, 12 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::I have a neighbor who is missing the tips of several fingers on both hands. When asked what happened he explained that he pushed a board through a power planer without using a push-stick and slipped and the plane took off his fingertips. When asked about his left hand he explained that he used his left hand to push boards through the planer while his right hand was healing. (Yes, the tool most likely was a joiner not a planer, let’s not go down that particular rabbit hole)[[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.25|173.245.54.25]] 04:55, 12 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::No, quite serious, planes are deceptively dangerous.[[User:SDSpivey|SDSpivey]] ([[User talk:SDSpivey|talk]]) 17:57, 12 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
::::It's notable that Randall specifies _hand_ tools. He likely meant a hand plane. Having tried to produce the curve in a bow by kneeling over it and scraping toward myself using the leverage of my legs and back, I can see these as potentially being dangerous, too. But most don't appear very dangerous as they have guards preventing deep cutting. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.232|162.158.78.232]] 15:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
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It's a pity he didn't add "Screwdriver (sonic)" to the chart. [[User:JamesCurran|JamesCurran]] ([[User talk:JamesCurran|talk]]) 19:48, 11 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
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There are some nailguns that don't use compressed air tanks or combustible materials - they have air compressors in them, powered by drill batteries or wall outlets. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.167.120|162.158.167.120]] 20:12, 11 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Also, unless that's an electric staple gun, the transcript should say nail gun. Look at how it's being held - as if there's a trigger, not as if there's a big handle on the back. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.167.120|162.158.167.120]] 20:17, 11 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
: It looks like a staplegun to me, which is the most common of the options. I figure the lever is pressed. But that's a good point, his hand is up towards the top, not down towards the bottom for leverage. (edited from previous comment when I realized I was wrong and wanted to talk nicer) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.178|162.158.78.178]] 20:37, 11 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Interpretations of items (feel free to change if desired): [[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.178|162.158.78.178]] 20:37, 11 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
* Thor holds an adversary who refuses to free hostages, swiping the plane closer and closer to their. Soon chunks of hair are flying. "OH MY GOD DON'T PLANE ME!"<br />
* Thor throws his flying dremel towards the control board of a distant nuclear bomb on a timer, where it _CUTS THE RED WIRE THE TIMER READS 0:00_<br />
* An evil corporation is marketing a new treatment for depression. Thor marches into a demonstration being broadcast worldwide. Brandishing Mjolnir, his digital calipers, he measures the subject's left eyeball. THE TREATMENT HAS GROWN IT BY TWO THOUSANDTHS OF AN INCH.<br />
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Actually Mjolnir was supposed to be in original myth a weapon, not a tool. Hammer used as weapon is different from hammer used as a tool; this is even more pronounced for axes: the fighting axe is quite different (less weight, much thinner and sharper blade) than e.g. woodcutter axe. --[[User:JakubNarebski|JakubNarebski]] ([[User talk:JakubNarebski|talk]]) 22:07, 11 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Soo... I'm guessing that chainsaw was left off because it would require a log axis? [[Special:Contributions/173.245.48.63|173.245.48.63]] 22:36, 11 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Does anyone else fell like the first items are an Infinity War reference?<br />
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Depending on which type of digital caliper is wielded, it can be a nasty weapon or more like a rock. The kind that looks like a C-clamp not so fierce. But the Vernier digital caliper can be used like a double sided pick. Imagine Thor driving the inside caliper tines into the side of your head and then spinning the wheel to crack open your skull. Wait... don't imagine that. [[User:Fungible|Fungible]] ([[User talk:Fungible|talk]]) 00:47, 12 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
: Would the caliper still function as a measurement tool after this use? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.106|162.158.78.106]] 15:59, 12 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
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It appears to me that a lot of the punchline of the comic is the "dremel", whatever that is, as it is near the right side of the comic and is allegedly what Thor is wielding in the last image. I think it definitely needs further explanation! Maybe I am the only person that has never heard of "dremel" before today, but I doubt it? Even looking it up just tells me that the Dremel company makes "hand held rotary tools", but that doesn't tell me what those are used for, and makes me think of phones... and Wikipedia says they also make other products such as 3D printers... [[User:Mathmannix|Mathmannix]] ([[User talk:Mathmannix|talk]]) 12:50, 12 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
: The article is seriously missing a list of tools with photos. Could somebody familiar with markup at least make a skeleton table for the rest of us to slowly fill in? I think a dremel is a small powered object like a thick pencil, with a small bit at the end that spins at high speeds. I think you can place the spinning bit against stuff to cut, grind, clean, or polish it, depending on the attachment, not sure, never used one myself. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.106|162.158.78.106]] 15:59, 12 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
::A Dremel tool is a small motor-powered tool with a locking chuck into which you can insert the shaft of various attachments. Typical attachments include small carbide cutting/grinding heads, thin abrasive cutoff disks, small saw blades, cylindrical abrasive drums, drill bits, soft polishing disks, etc. There are probably hundreds of different attachments available for just about any type of small work requirements. They do indeed run at high speeds, although some of the tools have variable speed control. Their advantage is the ability to control their application on small craft items with extreme precision. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 04:20, 13 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
::: It's more properly called a die grinder or rotary tool. Dremel is simply a brand name that has fallen into regular usage as a generic trademark (much like kleenex, velcro, teflon, etc). That said, most people I talk to have no idea what I mean by "rotary tool" so I've sort of given up on using the tool's actual name. It's important to note that the tool relies on speed rather than torque for performing most functions. A dentist's drill is a good example of the possible application of this tool. [[Special:Contributions/103.22.200.144|103.22.200.144]] 13:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
:::: Thor meets Inspector Gadget: Archaeology [[Special:Contributions/172.68.65.228|172.68.65.228]] 16:15, 13 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
::::: I don't know if it was on Randall's mind, but this old TV commercial for a Dremel multi-tool is quite apt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgKLhzArQTI . In the commercial, a narrator enthusiastically rattles off all of the various DIY tasks that can be accomplished by a Dremel... but the punchline is a hammer banging a nail into a piece of wood, the one thing that Dremel can't do (although it can cut the nail). [[User:Hawthorn|Hawthorn]] ([[User talk:Hawthorn|talk]]) 13:42, 14 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
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There exist electric jackhammers and pyrotechnic nailguns, so compressed air supply is not essential for Thor. -- [[Special:Contributions/198.41.242.46|198.41.242.46]] 17:16, 13 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
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I'm not sure if Randall was watching Infinity War closely enough. The axe is far, FAR more powerful than the hammer.<br />
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Don't show this comic to the Brits - they'd ban all the tools listed, and more. -- [[Special:Contributions/162.158.88.128|162.158.88.128]] 15:16, 14 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Where's the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lathe_of_Heaven Lathe of Asgard] on this scale? -- [[Special:Contributions/172.69.69.190|172.69.69.190]] 16:01, 14 January 2019 (UTC)<br />
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== Gary Larson ==<br />
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How about "thor's hammer, screwdriver and crescent wrench " (https://www.pinterest.de/pin/482025966347236010/) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.114.76|162.158.114.76]] 09:21, 14 January 2019 (UTC)</div>Seezeehttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1855:_Telephoto&diff=142037Talk:1855: Telephoto2017-06-26T18:21:01Z<p>Seezee: /* Incorrect definition of telephoto */ new section</p>
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Notice the "webcam" placed on the front element, and the cable running through the extenders and converters back to the camera body? The extenders and converters are only being used for mechanical support, to place the webcam near the bird, and not optically. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.79.125|162.158.79.125]] 15:16, 26 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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I understood it to be that the webcam was mounted on the side of the extender, allowing for a live stream in addition to the up close picture being taken. [[User:Rajakiit|Raj-a-Kiit]] ([[User talk:Rajakiit|talk]]) 16:25, 26 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
:That's how I took it, but the webcam and wires are drawn in a lighter line, possibly insinuating that the webcam and wires are inside the extenders and converters. [[User:OldCorps|OldCorps]] ([[User talk:OldCorps|talk]]) 16:53, 26 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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It depends on how tall Randall actually is, but using an average of 1.7 m for humans, that camera is about 32 feet, 4 inches long (it's about 5.8 times the length of Cueball). [[User:OldCorps|OldCorps]] ([[User talk:OldCorps|talk]]) 17:04, 26 June 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== Incorrect definition of telephoto ==<br />
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A telephoto lens is actually a lens of which the physical length is shorter than the nominal focal length. For instance, I have a 90mm Leica lens that is about 67mm long; this is accomplished through the optical design. A ''long-focus'' or '' long '' lens is a lens with a comparatively long focal length: on 35mm cameras, this is generally any lens 85mm and up. They are sometimes called portrait lenses. A ''zoom'' lens is one with a variable focal length, e.g., 70mm – 140mm. It is not necessarily a long lens.<br />
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The distinction is especially important to large format photographers, and the conflation of the terms is common among lay speakers.<br />
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Randall has conflated a telephoto lens with a long lens, as does the current explanation.<br />
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See http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Telephoto#Long-focus_.28Telephoto.29 for on the topic.<br />
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