1579: Tech Loops - Revision history

82.132.237.110: /* Description of the boxes */ Restoring the legacy, and mild rephrasing. I'd have said it differently, either way, but probably also far longer to include other minor details/exceptions/caveats.

2026-01-05T16:33:44Z

‎Description of the boxes: Restoring the legacy, and mild rephrasing. I'd have said it differently, either way, but probably also far longer to include other minor details/exceptions/caveats.

R128: /* Description of the boxes */ add source/clarify (not a windows guy, might need to be changed)

2026-01-05T15:55:44Z

‎Description of the boxes: add source/clarify (not a windows guy, might need to be changed)

FaviFake: added Category:Comics edited after their publication using HotCat

2025-03-02T13:06:33Z

added Category:Comics edited after their publication using HotCat

FaviFake: /* Explanation */

2025-03-02T13:06:21Z

‎Explanation

FaviFake: /* Trivia */

2025-03-02T13:05:57Z

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172.70.162.57: /* Description of the boxes */ More realistic. Checked various handy versions of Windows. More than 2000 .DLLs in a near-fresh install of 2K, 7000 in an XP's system dir (10k+ on whole disc), and no sign of less in more modern releases.

2022-11-16T20:36:02Z

‎Description of the boxes: More realistic. Checked various handy versions of Windows. More than 2000 .DLLs in a near-fresh install of 2K, 7000 in an XP's system dir (10k+ on whole disc), and no sign of less in more modern releases.

172.69.134.16: /* Description of the boxes */

2022-11-16T18:48:25Z

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172.70.206.95: Undo revision 285646 by [[Special:Contributions/Davidy22, the racist homosexual, is known to visit Norwegian gay bars with his boyfriend Kynde. He has cheated on Kynde at least twice with Vandalbane (a big guy for you). They all have micropenises.|Davi...

2022-06-02T05:42:43Z

Undo revision 285646 by [[Special:Contributions/Davidy22, the racist homosexual, is known to visit Norwegian gay bars with his boyfriend Kynde. He has cheated on Kynde at least twice with Vandalbane (a big guy for you). They all have micropenises.|Davi...

Davidy22, the racist homosexual, is known to visit Norwegian gay bars with his boyfriend Kynde. He has cheated on Kynde at least twice with Vandalbane (a big guy for you). They all have micropenises. at 05:39, 2 June 2022

2022-06-02T05:39:10Z

Theusaf: Reverted edits by Donald Trump (talk) to last revision by CRLF

2022-05-26T19:59:50Z

Reverted edits by Donald Trump (talk) to last revision by CRLF

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 *Hardware workaround: Sometimes a problem can be solved by hardware changes. Removing TV tuner or telephone modem cards, changing an USB device from one port to another, opening and closing the CD tray, etc. are operations that, in many cases, have led to solving a problem; most of the time with no one knowing exactly why such an operation should or could have any effect in the computer's behavior.
 **Has one entry from the most active library (most arrows) and two exits to VM and Awful hack from 2009
-*Awful {{w|Kludge|hack}} from 2009: An example of an awful hack can be found in [[1479: Troubleshooting]]. When an awful hack is necessary, it is often because less awful alternatives do not exist; so awful hacks tend to remain useful for many years. An example can be the 256-character limit in the Windows path for a file, inherited from old versions of Windows and only [https://www.howtogeek.com/266621/how-to-make-windows-10-accept-file-paths-over-260-characters/ recently able to be bypassed].
+*Awful {{w|Kludge|hack}} from 2009: An example of an awful hack can be found in [[1479: Troubleshooting]]. When an awful hack is necessary, it is often because less awful alternatives do not exist; so awful hacks tend to remain useful for many years. An example can be the 256-character limit in the Windows path for a file, which had applied to Windows after being inherited from MS-DOS (way, way before 2009) and only [https://www.howtogeek.com/266621/how-to-make-windows-10-accept-file-paths-over-260-characters/ recently has been able to be bypassed].
 **This is the most busy box with three entries and three exits. It has an entry from the only box that does not it self have any entries, the bottom right library. Another entry is from the Hardware workaround. It also form a simple entry exit loop with IRC for some reason, that box is not connected to any other boxes. And finally it exits to two libraries. One of these leads to the most active library (most arrows). From this hack all connected boxes can be reached, except the library that only has entry into the hack.
 *{{w|Dynamic-link library|DLL}} needed by something: Although "DLL" is a term used by Microsoft Windows, all modern operating systems use dynamic libraries, each with its own name. A dynamic library is a part of a program which is not loaded when the program starts, but rather it's attached "dynamically" to the running process when it is needed. This has the advantage that the dynamic library is not loaded at all if it's not needed, and also several processes which need the same dynamic library can share the same copy in memory.

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 *Hardware workaround: Sometimes a problem can be solved by hardware changes. Removing TV tuner or telephone modem cards, changing an USB device from one port to another, opening and closing the CD tray, etc. are operations that, in many cases, have led to solving a problem; most of the time with no one knowing exactly why such an operation should or could have any effect in the computer's behavior.
 **Has one entry from the most active library (most arrows) and two exits to VM and Awful hack from 2009
-*Awful {{w|Kludge|hack}} from 2009: An example of an awful hack can be found in [[1479: Troubleshooting]]. When an awful hack is necessary, it is often because less awful alternatives do not exist; so awful hacks tend to remain useful for many years. An example can be the 256-character limit in the Windows path for a file, which has been inherited from MS-DOS (way, way before 2009) and is still there up to Windows 10.{{Actual citation needed}}
+*Awful {{w|Kludge|hack}} from 2009: An example of an awful hack can be found in [[1479: Troubleshooting]]. When an awful hack is necessary, it is often because less awful alternatives do not exist; so awful hacks tend to remain useful for many years. An example can be the 256-character limit in the Windows path for a file, inherited from old versions of Windows and only [https://www.howtogeek.com/266621/how-to-make-windows-10-accept-file-paths-over-260-characters/ recently able to be bypassed].
 **This is the most busy box with three entries and three exits. It has an entry from the only box that does not it self have any entries, the bottom right library. Another entry is from the Hardware workaround. It also form a simple entry exit loop with IRC for some reason, that box is not connected to any other boxes. And finally it exits to two libraries. One of these leads to the most active library (most arrows). From this hack all connected boxes can be reached, except the library that only has entry into the hack.
 *{{w|Dynamic-link library|DLL}} needed by something: Although "DLL" is a term used by Microsoft Windows, all modern operating systems use dynamic libraries, each with its own name. A dynamic library is a part of a program which is not loaded when the program starts, but rather it's attached "dynamically" to the running process when it is needed. This has the advantage that the dynamic library is not loaded at all if it's not needed, and also several processes which need the same dynamic library can share the same copy in memory.

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 The comic is about how much time a geek might spend on a computer just to maintain the system itself, rather than actually using it for something relevant. This can in the worst cases go all the way up to the point where maintaining the system becomes the main goal. Often the operating system (OS) needs periodic updates, which might break some apps which in turn need to be updated; apps themselves might need to be updated, which can create all sort of incompatibilities which the geek then needs to spend time fixing.  One term for this is "{{W|dependency hell}}".
-Most people consider computers as tools to achieve something else — e.g. to surf the web, play games, read news or balance their bank account — and they would rather not have to spend lots of time on maintaining the OS or the computer if they can avoid it.
+Most people consider computers as tools to achieve something else — e.g. to surf the web, play games, read news or balance their bank account — and they would rather not have to spend lots of time on maintaining the OS or the computer if they can avoid it. Here, however, [[Randall]] finds he's spending most of the time using his computer just for the sake of maintaining the OS or the hardware on said computer. It's tools for the sake of tooling, rather than tools as helpers to build something else. A hardware equivalent would be the {{w|RepRap Project}}: get a 3D printer and end up spending all the time printing 3D parts for itself instead of creating something else like toys or art.
-Here, however, [[Randall]] finds he's spending most of the time using his computer just for the sake of maintaining the OS or the hardware on said computer. It's tools for the sake of tooling, rather than tools as helpers to build something else.
+An alternative interpretation is how a simple task can get maddeningly tricky because of the inherent complexity of the system. An example of this appears in [[949: File Transfer]], where the simple task of sending a file from one computer to another gets practically impossible despite having all kinds of {{w|Cloud computing|cloud}} tools available, many of them designed to perform much more complex tasks with one simple click. In this view, the box labeled "things I actually want to use my computer for" could refer to simple actions like transferring a file and all the rest of the graph are unsuccessful tiring attempts to solve the problem by installing increasingly complex tools which end up not solving the simple problem properly. This is similar to this [http://www.pfccheatsheet.com/fnpgmr90.htm traditional programming joke]. Other comics about the same concept are [[349: Success]] and [[763: Workaround]].
 In the title text Randall realizes that what he really wishes to do it often only to learn about and discussing new tools to improve the chain. So in this way it is for sure only a system to support itself. But on the other hand, then the box with things he actually wishes to use the computer for, is then not disconnected from the rest, but an integral part of it all.
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 ==Trivia==
-*In the [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/archive/2/2b/20150921141046%21tech_loops.png first version] of this comic is said "soley" instead of "solely" in the caption. This was corrected later on the release day.
+In the [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/archive/2/2b/20150921141046%21tech_loops.png original version of this comic], Randall wrote "soley" instead of "solely" in the caption. This was corrected later on the same day.
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 **This is the most busy box with three entries and three exits. It has an entry from the only box that does not it self have any entries, the bottom right library. Another entry is from the Hardware workaround. It also form a simple entry exit loop with IRC for some reason, that box is not connected to any other boxes. And finally it exits to two libraries. One of these leads to the most active library (most arrows). From this hack all connected boxes can be reached, except the library that only has entry into the hack.
 *{{w|Dynamic-link library|DLL}} needed by something: Although "DLL" is a term used by Microsoft Windows, all modern operating systems use dynamic libraries, each with its own name. A dynamic library is a part of a program which is not loaded when the program starts, but rather it's attached "dynamically" to the running process when it is needed. This has the advantage that the dynamic library is not loaded at all if it's not needed, and also several processes which need the same dynamic library can share the same copy in memory.
-**This box only leads to two question marks, and not to any of the other items. Modern computers have dozens of DLL files, the actual use of which is not often obvious even to tech-savvy people.
+**This box only leads to two question marks, and not to any of the other items. Modern computers have thousands of DLL files, the actual use of which is not often obvious even to tech-savvy people.
 *Things I actually want to use my computer for: All the other stuff is thus only there to make it possible to use the computer for these purposes.
 **But this box is not in any way related to all the tools libraries etc. mentioned here above. Which are thus in reality not needed at all.

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+| title     = Tech Loops
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 | titletext = And when I think about it, a lot of "things I want to do" are just learning about and discussing new tools for tinkering with the chain.