3067: SawStart - Revision history

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Miamiclay: Deleted para with math/logic error - Assumed replacing entire $1200 saw, not just blade.

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Deleted para with math/logic error - Assumed replacing entire $1200 saw, not just blade.

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 ==Trivia==
-In theory, such a system could be useful on a futuristic mechanized melee weapon (like "[[wikia:w:c:warhammer40k:Chainsword|chainswords]]" from ''{{w|Warhammer 40,000}}''). In that case, the saw would start spinning as soon as it hits the enemy, removing the need to allow time for it to spin up. On top of that, the saw is impossible to stop, and will continue to rip and shred any enemies in contact until the saw breaks. Such a combat disk saw may need to be redesigned so that it is activated by armor and flesh alike.
+In theory, such a system could be useful on a futuristic mechanized melee weapon (like "[[wikia:w:c:warhammer40k:Chainsword|chainswords]]" from ''{{w|Warhammer 40,000}}''). In that case, the saw would start spinning as soon as it hits the enemy, removing the need to allow time for it to spin up. On top of that, the saw is impossible to stop, and will continue to rip and shred any enemies in contact until the saw breaks. Such a combat disk saw may need to be redesigned so that it is activated by armor and flesh alike. It could also be used in  {{w|Robot Combat}}, where it could be modified to be activated by metal and be used as a spinning weapon.
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	==Explanation==		==Explanation==
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	{{w\|SawStop}} is an American {{w\|table saw}} manufacturer whose products are designed to increase safety. Table saws are extremely dangerous tools due to their rapidly spinning {{w\|circular saw}} blades protruding from the table surface. Accidental contact with the blade can result in severe injury or death. Even a stopped blade can pose a risk if the saw is not properly powered off and unplugged, or if the blade remains sharp.		{{w\|SawStop}} is an American {{w\|table saw}} manufacturer whose products are designed to increase safety. Table saws are extremely dangerous tools due to their rapidly spinning {{w\|circular saw}} blades protruding from the table surface. Accidental contact with the blade can result in severe injury or death. Even a stopped blade can pose a risk if the saw is not properly powered off and unplugged, or if the blade remains sharp.

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 SawStop saws feature an automatic brake that activates when the blade detects contact with human skin. According to the company, the system stops the blade within 5 milliseconds by releasing an aluminum brake block, after which the blade instantly retracts below the table. This mechanism is intended to prevent serious injury in the event of contact.
-Here, [[Black Hat]] takes the concept of a safety-enhancing product and reverses it, creating one that is far more dangerous. His fictional invention mimics the SawStop's ability to detect skin contact, but instead of stopping the blade, it uses an explosive charge to ''start'' a stationary blade. This would be extremely hazardous—triggering a rapid spin-up exactly when someone touches the blade. The comic suggests that it might even work when the tool is turned off and unplugged, which is typically considered a safe state. The explosive acceleration could cause severe injuries, and the device provides no functional advantage—its only purpose is malicious, which is presumably why it's "less popular."
+Here, [[Black Hat]] takes the concept of a safety-enhancing product and reverses it, creating one that is far more dangerous. His fictional invention mimics the SawStop's ability to detect skin contact, but instead of stopping the blade, it uses an explosive charge to ''start'' a stationary blade. This would be extremely hazardous, in triggering a rapid spin-up exactly when someone touches the blade. The comic suggests that it might even work when the tool is turned off and unplugged, which is typically considered a safe state. The explosive acceleration could cause severe injuries, and the device provides no functional advantage. Its only purpose is malicious, which is presumably why it's "less popular."
 {{w|Coffman engine starter|Explosive starters}} have historically been used in older piston aircraft and some {{w|Field Marshall#Starting|tractors}} to rapidly start engines when electric starters weren’t practical. This method is still used in some modern aircraft, such as the [https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/121480/ B-52 bomber].
-The title text references the fact that the SawStop brake mechanism is single-use. Once triggered, both the brake cartridge and the saw blade are damaged and must be replaced—though this is a small price to pay compared to losing a finger.{{Citation needed}} The fictional "SawStart" is also single-use, but in its case, the result is even worse: the blade becomes unstoppable, defying the second law of thermodynamics (and possibly several others). The comic suggests this could be the result of a collaboration between Black Hat and [[Beret Guy]]'s mysterious business ventures. Since the spinning blade cannot be stopped, it must be replaced while still in motion—an obviously dangerous and impractical process. Even disposal would be hazardous, as the blade could destroy any container it's placed in.
+The title text references the fact that the SawStop brake mechanism is single-use. Once triggered, both the brake cartridge and the saw blade are damaged and must be replaced — though this is a small price to pay compared to losing a finger.{{Citation needed}} The fictional "SawStart" is also single-use, but in its case, the result is even worse: the blade becomes unstoppable, defying the second law of thermodynamics (and possibly several others). The comic suggests this could be the result of a collaboration between Black Hat and [[Beret Guy]]'s mysterious business ventures. Since the spinning blade cannot be stopped, it must be replaced while still in motion — an obviously dangerous and impractical process. Even disposal would be hazardous, as the blade could destroy any container it's placed in.
-A similar concept—subverting a safety feature—is explored in [[2876: Range Safety]], where a range safety officer is accompanied by a "range danger officer."
+A similar concept, subverting a safety feature, is explored in [[2876: Range Safety]], where a range safety officer is accompanied by a "range danger officer."
 ==Transcript==

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 SawStop saws feature an automatic brake that activates when the blade detects contact with human skin. According to the company, the system stops the blade within 5 milliseconds by releasing an aluminum brake block, after which the blade instantly retracts below the table. This mechanism is intended to prevent serious injury in the event of contact.
-Here, [[Black Hat]] takes the concept of a safety-enhancing product and reverses it, creating one that is far more dangerous. His fictional invention mimics the SawStop's ability to detect skin contact, but instead of stopping the blade, it uses an explosive charge to ''start'' a stationary blade. This would be extremely hazardous—triggering a rapid spin-up exactly when someone touches the blade. The comic suggests that it might even work when the tool is turned off and unplugged, which is typically considered a safe state. The explosive acceleration could cause severe injuries, and the device provides no functional advantage—its only purpose is malicious, which is presumably why it's "less popular."{{Citation needed}}
+Here, [[Black Hat]] takes the concept of a safety-enhancing product and reverses it, creating one that is far more dangerous. His fictional invention mimics the SawStop's ability to detect skin contact, but instead of stopping the blade, it uses an explosive charge to ''start'' a stationary blade. This would be extremely hazardous—triggering a rapid spin-up exactly when someone touches the blade. The comic suggests that it might even work when the tool is turned off and unplugged, which is typically considered a safe state. The explosive acceleration could cause severe injuries, and the device provides no functional advantage—its only purpose is malicious, which is presumably why it's "less popular."
 {{w|Coffman engine starter|Explosive starters}} have historically been used in older piston aircraft and some {{w|Field Marshall#Starting|tractors}} to rapidly start engines when electric starters weren’t practical. This method is still used in some modern aircraft, such as the [https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/121480/ B-52 bomber].
-The title text references the fact that the SawStop brake mechanism is single-use. Once triggered, both the brake cartridge and the saw blade are damaged and must be replaced—though this is a small price to pay compared to losing a finger. The fictional "SawStart" is also single-use, but in its case, the result is even worse: the blade becomes unstoppable, defying the second law of thermodynamics (and possibly several others). The comic suggests this could be the result of a collaboration between Black Hat and [[Beret Guy]]'s mysterious business ventures. Since the spinning blade cannot be stopped, it must be replaced while still in motion—an obviously dangerous and impractical process. Even disposal would be hazardous, as the blade could destroy any container it's placed in.
+The title text references the fact that the SawStop brake mechanism is single-use. Once triggered, both the brake cartridge and the saw blade are damaged and must be replaced—though this is a small price to pay compared to losing a finger.{{Citation needed}} The fictional "SawStart" is also single-use, but in its case, the result is even worse: the blade becomes unstoppable, defying the second law of thermodynamics (and possibly several others). The comic suggests this could be the result of a collaboration between Black Hat and [[Beret Guy]]'s mysterious business ventures. Since the spinning blade cannot be stopped, it must be replaced while still in motion—an obviously dangerous and impractical process. Even disposal would be hazardous, as the blade could destroy any container it's placed in.
 A similar concept—subverting a safety feature—is explored in [[2876: Range Safety]], where a range safety officer is accompanied by a "range danger officer."

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 ==Explanation==
 {{incomplete|Language is too informal.}}
-{{w|SawStop}} is an American {{w|table saw}} manufacturer whose product is designed to increase safety. Table saws can be highly dangerous if not used properly, because they feature a rapidly spinning {{w|circular saw}} protruding from the surface. If any part of someone's body comes into contact with the blade while it's spinning, it can cause severe injury or death. In general, it is not wise to touch even a normal stopped blade without being absolutely certain that the power cannot be turned on and the blade is not sharp enough to be dangerous at rest. SawStop products feature an automatic brake, designed to detect when flesh comes into contact with the blade. According to manufacturer claims, the brake (an aluminum block) will stop the blade within 5 milliseconds of detecting contact, followed by the blade retracting into the table. This is intended to prevent major injuries in the event of contact.
+{{w|SawStop}} is an American {{w|table saw}} manufacturer whose products are designed to increase safety. Table saws are extremely dangerous tools due to their rapidly spinning {{w|circular saw}} blades protruding from the table surface. Accidental contact with the blade can result in severe injury or death. Even a stopped blade can pose a risk if the saw is not properly powered off and unplugged, or if the blade remains sharp.
-Here, [[Black Hat]] takes the notion of a product designed to increase safety, and changes the design to do the opposite, making it much more dangerous. Like the SawStop design, his product ostensibly detects contact with skin and reacts within milliseconds, but rather than stopping the blade, his product uses an explosive charge to ''start'' a stationary blade. Simply turning a stationary blade on in the event of contact would be bad enough, but the explosive device implies very rapid acceleration. It might even work if the tool is turned off and unplugged (usually a safe condition for working with saw blades). This 'feature' is specifically designed to run up to significantly damaging speeds the moment it is touched, likely causing severe injury. There is no benefit to such a system, and it exists solely to be malicious, which is likely why it's "less popular."
+SawStop saws feature an automatic brake that activates when the blade detects contact with human skin. According to the company, the system stops the blade within 5 milliseconds by releasing an aluminum brake block, after which the blade instantly retracts below the table. This mechanism is intended to prevent serious injury in the event of contact.
-{{w|Coffman engine starter|Using explosives}} to start a mechanism has been implemented in older piston-engined aircraft as well as in {{w|Field Marshall#Starting|tractors}}. This method was preferred in times when speed is a priority in starting a rotary mechanism, especially when electric starters were not an option. This has led to its use in the [https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/121480/ B-52 bomber] nowadays.
+Here, [[Black Hat]] takes the concept of a safety-enhancing product and reverses it, creating one that is far more dangerous. His fictional invention mimics the SawStop's ability to detect skin contact, but instead of stopping the blade, it uses an explosive charge to ''start'' a stationary blade. This would be extremely hazardous—triggering a rapid spin-up exactly when someone touches the blade. The comic suggests that it might even work when the tool is turned off and unplugged, which is typically considered a safe state. The explosive acceleration could cause severe injuries, and the device provides no functional advantage—its only purpose is malicious, which is presumably why it's "less popular."{{Citation needed}}
-The title text refers to the fact that the braking feature on the SawStop is single use. Because of the very fast response time, both the braking cartridge and the saw blade will be badly damaged in the process, and both will need to be replaced (this being considered preferable to the kinds of permanent injuries that can result from a spinning blade). The SawStart is also single use, but in its case, it somehow makes the blade impossible to stop, violating the second law of thermodynamics (and probably several other laws); perhaps SawStart is a partnership between Black Hat and [[Beret Guy]]'s business.. Hence, the SawStart blade must also be replaced and disposed of, but this apparently has to be done while the blade is spinning. To attempt to remove a spinning blade is incredibly dangerous, and this simply adds to the unnecessary harm this product could do. Disposal would also be complicated, because the still-spinning blade could cause damage to whatever is chosen to contain it.
+{{w|Coffman engine starter|Explosive starters}} have historically been used in older piston aircraft and some {{w|Field Marshall#Starting|tractors}} to rapidly start engines when electric starters weren’t practical. This method is still used in some modern aircraft, such as the [https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/121480/ B-52 bomber].
-A similar attempt at taking a safety feature and flipping it on its head was done in [[2876: Range Safety]], this time with the range safety officer being accompanied by a range danger officer.
+The title text references the fact that the SawStop brake mechanism is single-use. Once triggered, both the brake cartridge and the saw blade are damaged and must be replaced—though this is a small price to pay compared to losing a finger. The fictional "SawStart" is also single-use, but in its case, the result is even worse: the blade becomes unstoppable, defying the second law of thermodynamics (and possibly several others). The comic suggests this could be the result of a collaboration between Black Hat and [[Beret Guy]]'s mysterious business ventures. Since the spinning blade cannot be stopped, it must be replaced while still in motion—an obviously dangerous and impractical process. Even disposal would be hazardous, as the blade could destroy any container it's placed in.
 ==Transcript==

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	Here, [[Black Hat]] takes the notion of a product designed to increase safety, and changes the design to do the opposite, making it much more dangerous. Like the SawStop design, his product ostensibly detects contact with skin and reacts within milliseconds, but rather than stopping the blade, his product uses an explosive charge to ''start'' a stationary blade. Simply turning a stationary blade on in the event of contact would be bad enough, but the explosive device implies very rapid acceleration. It might even work if the tool is turned off and unplugged (usually a safe condition for working with saw blades). This 'feature' is specifically designed to run up to significantly damaging speeds the moment it is touched, likely causing severe injury. There is no benefit to such a system, and it exists solely to be malicious, which is likely why it's "less popular."		Here, [[Black Hat]] takes the notion of a product designed to increase safety, and changes the design to do the opposite, making it much more dangerous. Like the SawStop design, his product ostensibly detects contact with skin and reacts within milliseconds, but rather than stopping the blade, his product uses an explosive charge to ''start'' a stationary blade. Simply turning a stationary blade on in the event of contact would be bad enough, but the explosive device implies very rapid acceleration. It might even work if the tool is turned off and unplugged (usually a safe condition for working with saw blades). This 'feature' is specifically designed to run up to significantly damaging speeds the moment it is touched, likely causing severe injury. There is no benefit to such a system, and it exists solely to be malicious, which is likely why it's "less popular."
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−	This product is highly inefficient and unsafe, given the inherent danger of a rapidly accelerating saw blade. However, another possibly more important issue exists with this product: cost. SawStart is likely priced similarly to SawStop (around $1200 as of the time of writing) and may be used weekly or even daily. The net cost would be $62 400 for the saws alone, and around $187 200 in hospital bills, assuming the user resides in New York and is using SawStart weekly.

	{{w\|Coffman engine starter\|Using explosives}} to start a mechanism has been implemented in older piston-engined aircraft as well as in {{w\|Field Marshall#Starting\|tractors}}. This method was preferred in times when speed is a priority in starting a rotary mechanism, especially when electric starters were not an option. This has led to its use in the [https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/121480/ B-52 bomber] nowadays.		{{w\|Coffman engine starter\|Using explosives}} to start a mechanism has been implemented in older piston-engined aircraft as well as in {{w\|Field Marshall#Starting\|tractors}}. This method was preferred in times when speed is a priority in starting a rotary mechanism, especially when electric starters were not an option. This has led to its use in the [https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/121480/ B-52 bomber] nowadays.

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 {{w|SawStop}} is an American {{w|table saw}} manufacturer whose product is designed to increase safety. Table saws can be highly dangerous if not used properly, because they feature a rapidly spinning {{w|circular saw}} protruding from the surface. If any part of someone's body comes into contact with the blade while it's spinning, it can cause severe injury or death. In general, it is not wise to touch even a normal stopped blade without being absolutely certain that the power cannot be turned on and the blade is not sharp enough to be dangerous at rest. SawStop products feature an automatic brake, designed to detect when flesh comes into contact with the blade. According to manufacturer claims, the brake (an aluminum block) will stop the blade within 5 milliseconds of detecting contact, followed by the blade retracting into the table. This is intended to prevent major injuries in the event of contact.
-Here, [[Black Hat]] takes the notion of a product designed to increase safety, and changes the design to do the opposite, making it much more dangerous. Like the SawStop design, his product ostensibly detects contact with skin and reacts within milliseconds, but rather than stopping the blade, his product uses an explosive charge to ''start'' a stationary blade. Simply turning a stationary blade on in the event of contact would be bad enough, but the explosive device implies very rapid acceleration. It might even work if the tool is turned off and unplugged (usually a safe condition for working with saw blades){{Citation needed}}. This 'feature' is specifically designed to run up to significantly damaging speeds the moment it is touched, likely causing severe injury. There is no benefit to such a system, and it exists solely to be malicious, which is likely why it's "less popular."
+Here, [[Black Hat]] takes the notion of a product designed to increase safety, and changes the design to do the opposite, making it much more dangerous. Like the SawStop design, his product ostensibly detects contact with skin and reacts within milliseconds, but rather than stopping the blade, his product uses an explosive charge to ''start'' a stationary blade. Simply turning a stationary blade on in the event of contact would be bad enough, but the explosive device implies very rapid acceleration. It might even work if the tool is turned off and unplugged (usually a safe condition for working with saw blades). This 'feature' is specifically designed to run up to significantly damaging speeds the moment it is touched, likely causing severe injury. There is no benefit to such a system, and it exists solely to be malicious, which is likely why it's "less popular."
-This product is highly inefficient and unsafe, given the inherent danger of a rapidly accelerating saw blade. However, another possibly more important issue exists with this product: cost. SawStart is likely priced similarly to SawStop (around $1200 as of the time of writing), and may be used weekly or even daily. The net cost would be $62 400 for the saws alone, and around $187 200 in hospital bills, assuming the user resides in New York and is using SawStart weekly.
+This product is highly inefficient and unsafe, given the inherent danger of a rapidly accelerating saw blade. However, another possibly more important issue exists with this product: cost. SawStart is likely priced similarly to SawStop (around $1200 as of the time of writing) and may be used weekly or even daily. The net cost would be $62 400 for the saws alone, and around $187 200 in hospital bills, assuming the user resides in New York and is using SawStart weekly.
 {{w|Coffman engine starter|Using explosives}} to start a mechanism has been implemented in older piston-engined aircraft as well as in {{w|Field Marshall#Starting|tractors}}. This method was preferred in times when speed is a priority in starting a rotary mechanism, especially when electric starters were not an option. This has led to its use in the [https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/121480/ B-52 bomber] nowadays.