Talk:10: Pi Equals - Revision history

42.book.addict at 20:01, 18 September 2025

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FaviFake: Hey everyone! I tried contacting Randall to ask him when he replaced comic 36: Scientists, and he replied! You can read the conversation and a summary of what happened on my user page. Among other things, he gave me the official rele

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Hey everyone! I tried contacting Randall to ask him when he replaced comic 36: Scientists, and he replied! You can read the conversation and a summary of what happened on my user page. Among other things, he gave me the official rele

42.book.addict at 17:01, 10 October 2024

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172.70.85.138 at 22:50, 7 October 2024

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172.70.230.94: just playing

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just playing

1234231587678 at 18:03, 20 January 2024

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1234231587678 at 01:17, 2 January 2024

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172.70.178.221 at 23:23, 3 October 2022

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108.162.216.215 at 23:21, 3 October 2022

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108.162.210.220 at 18:15, 8 September 2016

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	Yes, manipulating such a mathematical constant would require changing in some incomprehensible way basic rules of logic or arithmetic, which seems much farther beyond human comprehension than physical constants which human physicist still don't fully understand a clear reason behind their known value needing to be what it is and can only deduce by calculating them based on experimental results. However some being outside the universe making universes including fine tuning their details would have to be in some way beyond human comprehension anyway. This was a topic in the Contact book btw, with a conversation with the Alien like "how could a message be hidden inside pi? It's part of the fabric of the universe!" To which the alien replied "exactly." Note that most of this topic, like a ton of other stuff was left out of the movie supposedly based on it.--[[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.215\|108.162.216.215]] 23:21, 3 October 2022 (UTC)		Yes, manipulating such a mathematical constant would require changing in some incomprehensible way basic rules of logic or arithmetic, which seems much farther beyond human comprehension than physical constants which human physicist still don't fully understand a clear reason behind their known value needing to be what it is and can only deduce by calculating them based on experimental results. However some being outside the universe making universes including fine tuning their details would have to be in some way beyond human comprehension anyway. This was a topic in the Contact book btw, with a conversation with the Alien like "how could a message be hidden inside pi? It's part of the fabric of the universe!" To which the alien replied "exactly." Note that most of this topic, like a ton of other stuff was left out of the movie supposedly based on it.--[[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.215\|108.162.216.215]] 23:21, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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	Whereas the fictional prisoner in a Fortune Cookies Factory may harbor hopes that once his message gets out and the finder of the message take it to the authorities who will trace it's origins and affect a rescue; no such hopes are available to the Universe Factory prisoner. Not unless the residents of the created universe have a manner of interfacing with the creators civilization. Which brings up an interesting question: Once an intelligence has deciphered a message from a higher being, do they just move on as if nothing happened, or do they now focus their resources toward ascending into the higher realm just revealed. If the latter, than our Universe Factory prisoner may have some hope after all... [[User:Danshoham\|Mountain Hikes]] ([[User talk:Danshoham\|talk]]) 08:52, 31 August 2015 (UTC)		Whereas the fictional prisoner in a Fortune Cookies Factory may harbor hopes that once his message gets out and the finder of the message take it to the authorities who will trace it's origins and affect a rescue; no such hopes are available to the Universe Factory prisoner. Not unless the residents of the created universe have a manner of interfacing with the creators civilization. Which brings up an interesting question: Once an intelligence has deciphered a message from a higher being, do they just move on as if nothing happened, or do they now focus their resources toward ascending into the higher realm just revealed. If the latter, than our Universe Factory prisoner may have some hope after all... [[User:Danshoham\|Mountain Hikes]] ([[User talk:Danshoham\|talk]]) 08:52, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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	:Brief comment: If A=1, and L=11, then what does …11… in a sequence decode to? Either/both?		:Brief comment: If A=1, and L=11, then what does …11… in a sequence decode to? Either/both?
	:Requiring A to be …01… is one solution, but then there are sequences (…00… and …27… to …99…) that disqualify themselves from decoding. You could treat invalid numeric pairs as null-encoding (but then …019999999901… as as much "AA" as any other block of 'ignorables' between two 'A's, so might give many other new matches for resolvable strings), though you might also assign other numbers to other non-alphabetic characters like spaces, punctuation or even formatting-associated markup. Which is not far from ASCII/ANSI/Unicode/etc! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.138\|172.70.85.138]] 22:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)		:Requiring A to be …01… is one solution, but then there are sequences (…00… and …27… to …99…) that disqualify themselves from decoding. You could treat invalid numeric pairs as null-encoding (but then …019999999901… as as much "AA" as any other block of 'ignorables' between two 'A's, so might give many other new matches for resolvable strings), though you might also assign other numbers to other non-alphabetic characters like spaces, punctuation or even formatting-associated markup. Which is not far from ASCII/ANSI/Unicode/etc! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.138\|172.70.85.138]] 22:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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		+	Hey everyone! I tried contacting Randall to ask him when he replaced comic [[36: Scientists]], and he replied! You can read the conversation and a summary of what happened [[User:FaviFake\|on my user page]]. Among other things, he gave me the official release date, April 28th, and, after I asked, he told me he might reply to more simple questions! If you all have some technical or administrative questions, I could ask them directly to him. If you're interested, there are many more details about this [[User:FaviFake\|here]]. --[[User:FaviFake\|FaviFake]] ([[User talk:FaviFake\|talk]]) 18:24, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

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	Interestingly, 7108914 does not occur in the [http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~huberty/math5337/groupe/digits.html first 100,000 digits of pi]. However, 71089 does occur at roughly around the 2,500 digit mark. --[[User:DanB\|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB\|talk]]) 18:17, 6 August 2012‎ (UTC)		Interestingly, 7108914 does not occur in the [http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~huberty/math5337/groupe/digits.html first 100,000 digits of pi]. However, 71089 does occur at roughly around the 2,500 digit mark. --[[User:DanB\|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB\|talk]]) 18:17, 6 August 2012‎ (UTC)
	:7108914 position [http://www.angio.net/pi/bigpi.cgi 13,709,690] counting from the first digit after the decimal point. The 3. is not included. --[[User:whitecat\|whitecat]] ([[User talk:whitecat\|talk]]) 10:43, 7 August 2012‎ (UTC)		:7108914 position [http://www.angio.net/pi/bigpi.cgi 13,709,690] counting from the first digit after the decimal point. The 3. is not included. --[[User:whitecat\|whitecat]] ([[User talk:whitecat\|talk]]) 10:43, 7 August 2012‎ (UTC)

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	Using A=1, B=2 … instead of ASCII makes messages shorter ⇒ more probable. HELP→851216 occurs 17x in the 1st 10M digits of π alone, sadly none followed by I=9. HELPME→851216135 is absent, too. RANDA→1811441 occurs 2x, none followed by L=12. I find 6x MUN→132114 and 87x ROE→18155 in the 1st 10M digits, but not consecutively. What does this tell us? That my lunch break's been over for a while and I'd better stop now. :) --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.230.94\|172.70.230.94]] 21:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC)		Using A=1, B=2 … instead of ASCII makes messages shorter ⇒ more probable. HELP→851216 occurs 17x in the 1st 10M digits of π alone, sadly none followed by I=9. HELPME→851216135 is absent, too. RANDA→1811441 occurs 2x, none followed by L=12. I find 6x MUN→132114 and 87x ROE→18155 in the 1st 10M digits, but not consecutively. What does this tell us? That my lunch break's been over for a while and I'd better stop now. :) --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.230.94\|172.70.230.94]] 21:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Brief comment: If A=1, and L=11, then what does …11… in a sequence decode to? Either/both?
		+	:Requiring A to be …01… is one solution, but then there are sequences (…00… and …27… to …99…) that disqualify themselves from decoding. You could treat invalid numeric pairs as null-encoding (but then …019999999901… as as much "AA" as any other block of 'ignorables' between two 'A's, so might give many other new matches for resolvable strings), though you might also assign other numbers to other non-alphabetic characters like spaces, punctuation or even formatting-associated markup. Which is not far from ASCII/ANSI/Unicode/etc! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.138\|172.70.85.138]] 22:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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	The fact that the digits 7108914 appear at position 13709690 of pi doesn't mean that it is the string that is represented in the comic. The 7108914 in the comic might be one of the 19 other times it appears in the first 200 million digits of pi. "helpimtrappedinauniversefactory" might represent a longer string of digits and each letter might represent a whole number of digits in pi. [[User:1234231587678\|1234231587678]] ([[User talk:1234231587678\|talk]]) 01:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)		The fact that the digits 7108914 appear at position 13709690 of pi doesn't mean that it is the string that is represented in the comic. The 7108914 in the comic might be one of the 19 other times it appears in the first 200 million digits of pi. "helpimtrappedinauniversefactory" might represent a longer string of digits and each letter might represent a whole number of digits in pi. [[User:1234231587678\|1234231587678]] ([[User talk:1234231587678\|talk]]) 01:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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		+	Using A=1, B=2 … instead of ASCII makes messages shorter ⇒ more probable. HELP→851216 occurs 17x in the 1st 10M digits of π alone, sadly none followed by I=9. HELPME→851216135 is absent, too. RANDA→1811441 occurs 2x, none followed by L=12. I find 6x MUN→132114 and 87x ROE→18155 in the 1st 10M digits, but not consecutively. What does this tell us? That my lunch break's been over for a while and I'd better stop now. :) --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.230.94\|172.70.230.94]] 21:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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	Though the fortune cookie story is fictional, I once read a credible seeming article about someone buying a Halloween decoration made in China and finding a hand written letter inside asking for help.--[[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.221\|172.70.178.221]] 23:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)		Though the fortune cookie story is fictional, I once read a credible seeming article about someone buying a Halloween decoration made in China and finding a hand written letter inside asking for help.--[[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.221\|172.70.178.221]] 23:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

−	The fact that the digits 7108914 appear at position 13709690 of pi doesn't mean that it is the string that is represented in the comic. The 7108914 in the comic might be one of the 19 other times it appears in the first 200 million digits of pi. "helpimtrappedinauniversefactory" might represent a longer ~~sting~~ of digits and each letter might represent a whole number of digits in pi. [[User:1234231587678\|1234231587678]] ([[User talk:1234231587678\|talk]]) 01:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)	+	The fact that the digits 7108914 appear at position 13709690 of pi doesn't mean that it is the string that is represented in the comic. The 7108914 in the comic might be one of the 19 other times it appears in the first 200 million digits of pi. "helpimtrappedinauniversefactory" might represent a longer string of digits and each letter might represent a whole number of digits in pi. [[User:1234231587678\|1234231587678]] ([[User talk:1234231587678\|talk]]) 01:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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	Though the fortune cookie story is fictional, I once read a credible seeming article about someone buying a Halloween decoration made in China and finding a hand written letter inside asking for help.--[[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.221\|172.70.178.221]] 23:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)		Though the fortune cookie story is fictional, I once read a credible seeming article about someone buying a Halloween decoration made in China and finding a hand written letter inside asking for help.--[[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.221\|172.70.178.221]] 23:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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		+	The fact that the digits 7108914 appear at position 13709690 of pi doesn't mean that it is the string that is represented in the comic. The 7108914 in the comic might be one of the 19 other times it appears in the first 200 million digits of pi. "helpimtrappedinauniversefactory" might represent a longer sting of digits and each letter might represent a whole number of digits in pi. [[User:1234231587678\|1234231587678]] ([[User talk:1234231587678\|talk]]) 01:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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	The link to TV tropes yields "403 Forbidden", please find a different link. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.220\|108.162.210.220]] 18:15, 8 September 2016 (UTC)		The link to TV tropes yields "403 Forbidden", please find a different link. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.220\|108.162.210.220]] 18:15, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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		+	Though the fortune cookie story is fictional, I once read a credible seeming article about someone buying a Halloween decoration made in China and finding a hand written letter inside asking for help.--[[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.221\|172.70.178.221]] 23:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

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 I feel like there should be a mention that, since pi is a mathematical constant rather than a physical constant, even if you did create the universe you'd have no control over it. You might be able to influence the directions math takes and exert some control
 over what constants seem important, but that will only give you a few bits of control, meaning that you can only encode a message a few bits long. You could easily encode messages into the fine structure constant, but if you stick it too close to the beginning it might inhibit life, and if you stick it too far nobody will be able to measure it accurately enough to find it. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.58|108.162.216.58]] 07:29, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 Whereas the fictional prisoner in a Fortune Cookies Factory may harbor hopes that once his message gets out and the finder of the message take it to the authorities who will trace it's origins and affect a rescue; no such hopes are available to the Universe Factory prisoner.  Not unless the residents of the created universe have a manner of interfacing with the creators civilization.  Which brings up an interesting question: Once an intelligence has deciphered a message from a higher being, do they just move on as if nothing happened, or do they now focus their resources toward ascending into the higher realm just revealed.  If the latter, than our Universe Factory prisoner may have some hope after all... [[User:Danshoham|Mountain Hikes]] ([[User talk:Danshoham|talk]]) 08:52, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 The link to TV tropes yields "403 Forbidden", please find a different link. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.220|108.162.210.220]] 18:15, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

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	Whereas the fictional prisoner in a Fortune Cookies Factory may harbor hopes that once his message gets out and the finder of the message take it to the authorities who will trace it's origins and affect a rescue; no such hopes are available to the Universe Factory prisoner. Not unless the residents of the created universe have a manner of interfacing with the creators civilization. Which brings up an interesting question: Once an intelligence has deciphered a message from a higher being, do they just move on as if nothing happened, or do they now focus their resources toward ascending into the higher realm just revealed. If the latter, than our Universe Factory prisoner may have some hope after all... [[User:Danshoham\|Mountain Hikes]] ([[User talk:Danshoham\|talk]]) 08:52, 31 August 2015 (UTC)		Whereas the fictional prisoner in a Fortune Cookies Factory may harbor hopes that once his message gets out and the finder of the message take it to the authorities who will trace it's origins and affect a rescue; no such hopes are available to the Universe Factory prisoner. Not unless the residents of the created universe have a manner of interfacing with the creators civilization. Which brings up an interesting question: Once an intelligence has deciphered a message from a higher being, do they just move on as if nothing happened, or do they now focus their resources toward ascending into the higher realm just revealed. If the latter, than our Universe Factory prisoner may have some hope after all... [[User:Danshoham\|Mountain Hikes]] ([[User talk:Danshoham\|talk]]) 08:52, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
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		+	The link to TV tropes yields "403 Forbidden", please find a different link. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.210.220\|108.162.210.220]] 18:15, 8 September 2016 (UTC)