Talk:153: Cryptography - Revision history

Lupo at 08:58, 6 December 2019

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Kynde at 08:28, 6 December 2019

2019-12-06T08:28:02Z

Lupo at 14:21, 5 December 2019

2019-12-05T14:21:40Z

Yfmcpxpj: PyCon discussion

2019-12-05T14:15:56Z

PyCon discussion

Lupo at 13:25, 5 December 2019

2019-12-05T13:25:54Z

Yfmcpxpj: PyCon explanation unnecessary?

2019-12-05T13:19:21Z

PyCon explanation unnecessary?

141.101.104.209: Asked a question

2017-11-08T16:59:19Z

Asked a question

108.162.219.160: What needs editing here?

2017-10-29T16:08:12Z

What needs editing here?

108.162.218.142: discuss whether this function is its own inverse

2015-11-18T16:32:43Z

discuss whether this function is its own inverse

BinaryDigit at 15:08, 8 August 2014

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	:::For stuff regarding Categories, usually [[user:Kynde\|Kynde]] has a good feeling. I'll try to reach him on his talk page, to chime in here.--[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 14:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)		:::For stuff regarding Categories, usually [[user:Kynde\|Kynde]] has a good feeling. I'll try to reach him on his talk page, to chime in here.--[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 14:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
	::::I completely agree that this section did not belong here, mainly because it was a copy of text already in a section on [[541: TED Talk]]. I have removed it from here adding a link to that section, as it is interesting here to mention given this was the first comic to use this angle, and TED Talk so far is the last. I have also added this text to the category, as TED talk is the one that makes the most out of this ban subject. Maybe the list of banned conferences on TED talk should also add a list of conferences Randall previously have been banned from, mentioning those, if they are not already the same as in that comic? --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 08:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)		::::I completely agree that this section did not belong here, mainly because it was a copy of text already in a section on [[541: TED Talk]]. I have removed it from here adding a link to that section, as it is interesting here to mention given this was the first comic to use this angle, and TED Talk so far is the last. I have also added this text to the category, as TED talk is the one that makes the most out of this ban subject. Maybe the list of banned conferences on TED talk should also add a list of conferences Randall previously have been banned from, mentioning those, if they are not already the same as in that comic? --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 08:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
		+	:::::Apart from Ted talk they all refer to crypto conferences, which is with one selected one mentioned in Ted Talk, siggraph, which is mentioned, and his math licence, which doesn't refer directly to a conference. So it doesn't need to be mentioned seperately I think. --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 08:58, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

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	::Yeah, it's hilarious they would (jokingly) implement the PyCon ban from comic [[541]] in real life, so I think it's worth a mention in the category page. (But I'm still a noob, so I'm not sure what belongs there.) -- [[User:Yfmcpxpj\|Yfmcpxpj]] ([[User talk:Yfmcpxpj\|talk]]) 14:15, 5 December 2019 (UTC)		::Yeah, it's hilarious they would (jokingly) implement the PyCon ban from comic [[541]] in real life, so I think it's worth a mention in the category page. (But I'm still a noob, so I'm not sure what belongs there.) -- [[User:Yfmcpxpj\|Yfmcpxpj]] ([[User talk:Yfmcpxpj\|talk]]) 14:15, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
	:::For stuff regarding Categories, usually [[user:Kynde\|Kynde]] has a good feeling. I'll try to reach him on his talk page, to chime in here.--[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 14:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)		:::For stuff regarding Categories, usually [[user:Kynde\|Kynde]] has a good feeling. I'll try to reach him on his talk page, to chime in here.--[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 14:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
		+	::::I completely agree that this section did not belong here, mainly because it was a copy of text already in a section on [[541: TED Talk]]. I have removed it from here adding a link to that section, as it is interesting here to mention given this was the first comic to use this angle, and TED Talk so far is the last. I have also added this text to the category, as TED talk is the one that makes the most out of this ban subject. Maybe the list of banned conferences on TED talk should also add a list of conferences Randall previously have been banned from, mentioning those, if they are not already the same as in that comic? --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 08:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

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	:I fully agree. Maybe we can use parts of this text to put it into the category instead? --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 13:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)		:I fully agree. Maybe we can use parts of this text to put it into the category instead? --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 13:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
	::Yeah, it's hilarious they would (jokingly) implement the PyCon ban from comic [[541]] in real life, so I think it's worth a mention in the category page. (But I'm still a noob, so I'm not sure what belongs there.) -- [[User:Yfmcpxpj\|Yfmcpxpj]] ([[User talk:Yfmcpxpj\|talk]]) 14:15, 5 December 2019 (UTC)		::Yeah, it's hilarious they would (jokingly) implement the PyCon ban from comic [[541]] in real life, so I think it's worth a mention in the category page. (But I'm still a noob, so I'm not sure what belongs there.) -- [[User:Yfmcpxpj\|Yfmcpxpj]] ([[User talk:Yfmcpxpj\|talk]]) 14:15, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
		+	:::For stuff regarding Categories, usually [[user:Kynde\|Kynde]] has a good feeling. I'll try to reach him on his talk page, to chime in here.--[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 14:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

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	The [https://pycon.blogspot.com/2009/02/randall-munroe.html PyCon stuff] happened because of [[541: TED Talk]], and is fully explained there, so is it necessary to have a full PyCon explanation here as well? It seems to me that ''this'' comic is not related to PyCon specifically, so would it be enough to just say this is the first comic that mentions getting banned from a conference (and link to [[:Category:Banned from conferences]])? If no one objects, I'll do that instead of the current "Inside references and real life shenanigans" section. -- [[User:Yfmcpxpj\|Yfmcpxpj]] ([[User talk:Yfmcpxpj\|talk]]) 13:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)		The [https://pycon.blogspot.com/2009/02/randall-munroe.html PyCon stuff] happened because of [[541: TED Talk]], and is fully explained there, so is it necessary to have a full PyCon explanation here as well? It seems to me that ''this'' comic is not related to PyCon specifically, so would it be enough to just say this is the first comic that mentions getting banned from a conference (and link to [[:Category:Banned from conferences]])? If no one objects, I'll do that instead of the current "Inside references and real life shenanigans" section. -- [[User:Yfmcpxpj\|Yfmcpxpj]] ([[User talk:Yfmcpxpj\|talk]]) 13:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
	:I fully agree. Maybe we can use parts of this text to put it into the category instead? --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 13:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)		:I fully agree. Maybe we can use parts of this text to put it into the category instead? --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 13:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
		+	::Yeah, it's hilarious they would (jokingly) implement the PyCon ban from comic [[541]] in real life, so I think it's worth a mention in the category page. (But I'm still a noob, so I'm not sure what belongs there.) -- [[User:Yfmcpxpj\|Yfmcpxpj]] ([[User talk:Yfmcpxpj\|talk]]) 14:15, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

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	The [https://pycon.blogspot.com/2009/02/randall-munroe.html PyCon stuff] happened because of [[541: TED Talk]], and is fully explained there, so is it necessary to have a full PyCon explanation here as well? It seems to me that ''this'' comic is not related to PyCon specifically, so would it be enough to just say this is the first comic that mentions getting banned from a conference (and link to [[:Category:Banned from conferences]])? If no one objects, I'll do that instead of the current "Inside references and real life shenanigans" section. -- [[User:Yfmcpxpj\|Yfmcpxpj]] ([[User talk:Yfmcpxpj\|talk]]) 13:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)		The [https://pycon.blogspot.com/2009/02/randall-munroe.html PyCon stuff] happened because of [[541: TED Talk]], and is fully explained there, so is it necessary to have a full PyCon explanation here as well? It seems to me that ''this'' comic is not related to PyCon specifically, so would it be enough to just say this is the first comic that mentions getting banned from a conference (and link to [[:Category:Banned from conferences]])? If no one objects, I'll do that instead of the current "Inside references and real life shenanigans" section. -- [[User:Yfmcpxpj\|Yfmcpxpj]] ([[User talk:Yfmcpxpj\|talk]]) 13:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
		+	:I fully agree. Maybe we can use parts of this text to put it into the category instead? --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 13:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

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	Why is this page marked as an incomplete explanation? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.104.209\|141.101.104.209]] 16:59, 8 November 2017 (UTC)		Why is this page marked as an incomplete explanation? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.104.209\|141.101.104.209]] 16:59, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
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		+	The [https://pycon.blogspot.com/2009/02/randall-munroe.html PyCon stuff] happened because of [[541: TED Talk]], and is fully explained there, so is it necessary to have a full PyCon explanation here as well? It seems to me that ''this'' comic is not related to PyCon specifically, so would it be enough to just say this is the first comic that mentions getting banned from a conference (and link to [[:Category:Banned from conferences]])? If no one objects, I'll do that instead of the current "Inside references and real life shenanigans" section. -- [[User:Yfmcpxpj\|Yfmcpxpj]] ([[User talk:Yfmcpxpj\|talk]]) 13:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

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	"This part needs editing" in what way? It looks fine to me. Clarify, or better yet, edit it in what way you think it needs editing.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.160\|108.162.219.160]] 16:08, 29 October 2017 (UTC)		"This part needs editing" in what way? It looks fine to me. Clarify, or better yet, edit it in what way you think it needs editing.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.160\|108.162.219.160]] 16:08, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
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	:+1 [[Special:Contributions/108.162.218.142\|108.162.218.142]] 16:32, 18 November 2015 (UTC)		:+1 [[Special:Contributions/108.162.218.142\|108.162.218.142]] 16:32, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
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		+	"This part needs editing" in what way? It looks fine to me. Clarify, or better yet, edit it in what way you think it needs editing.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.160\|108.162.219.160]] 16:08, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

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 :Actually that's not true. Regardless of the bit in position 1 to begin with, you will always have a 1 in position 8 in the result. When you shift, you're adding a 0 in position 1 (assuming a 0 shift in), then the inverse is 1, and flipping would put the 1 in position 8. [[User:Jarod997|Jarod997]] ([[User talk:Jarod997|talk]]) 14:06, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 ::I was expecting the last bit to wrap around to the front. It could go either way. [[User:gijobarts|gijobarts]] ([[User Talk:gijobarts|talk]]) 05:57, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 " and so is the author Randall Munroe at [http://pycon.blogspot.com/2009/02/randall-munroe.html PyCon]"
 :I think that post is a joke.
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 ''In the same way, a steps to a feistel cipher based algorithm are executed in reverse to obtain the original plain text from a cipher text.'' is not true. The whole point of a Feistel network is that you execute the same steps ''in the same order''. The only thing that is reversed is the key. You can do almost any amount of mangling of the input, without having to worry about how to reverse it, because the magic of XOR ensures that All Will Be Well when you come to decrypt. There are limits to the kinds of mangling you can do, of course, but the basic principle is that the same function used for encryption is also used for decryption. It's quite startling, really. Horst Feistel - kudos!
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	''In the same way, a steps to a feistel cipher based algorithm are executed in reverse to obtain the original plain text from a cipher text.'' is not true. The whole point of a Feistel network is that you execute the same steps ''in the same order''. The only thing that is reversed is the key. You can do almost any amount of mangling of the input, without having to worry about how to reverse it, because the magic of XOR ensures that All Will Be Well when you come to decrypt. There are limits to the kinds of mangling you can do, of course, but the basic principle is that the same function used for encryption is also used for decryption. It's quite startling, really. Horst Feistel - kudos!		''In the same way, a steps to a feistel cipher based algorithm are executed in reverse to obtain the original plain text from a cipher text.'' is not true. The whole point of a Feistel network is that you execute the same steps ''in the same order''. The only thing that is reversed is the key. You can do almost any amount of mangling of the input, without having to worry about how to reverse it, because the magic of XOR ensures that All Will Be Well when you come to decrypt. There are limits to the kinds of mangling you can do, of course, but the basic principle is that the same function used for encryption is also used for decryption. It's quite startling, really. Horst Feistel - kudos!
		+	--[[User:BinaryDigit\|BinaryDigit]] ([[User talk:BinaryDigit\|talk]]) 15:08, 8 August 2014 (UTC)