Talk:1709: Inflection - Revision history

Lettherebedarklight at 15:41, 1 March 2025

2025-03-01T15:41:50Z

Nitpicking: oops

2022-02-06T13:55:11Z

oops

Nitpicking: Latin and Germanic inflection

2022-02-06T13:54:45Z

Latin and Germanic inflection

Jim ocoee at 08:12, 30 June 2021

2021-06-30T08:12:48Z

Promethean at 05:03, 3 September 2017

2017-09-03T05:03:18Z

103.31.5.230: Forgot to sign...

2016-07-28T16:25:32Z

Forgot to sign...

103.31.5.230 at 16:24, 28 July 2016

2016-07-28T16:24:58Z

162.158.135.52 at 12:03, 28 July 2016

2016-07-28T12:03:26Z

199.27.128.105 at 21:44, 25 July 2016

2016-07-25T21:44:42Z

108.162.221.98: xlation of dumb emoji

2016-07-24T02:37:16Z

xlation of dumb emoji

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	I hate to disagree with Randall on anything ever, but the English inflections came from German. A quick look at Old English [https://lrc.la.utexas.edu/eieol/engol/10#grammar_1058 verb conjugation] shows that it's quite similar to modern German. Latin didn't really start to affect English until the Norman Invasion, after which the church wrote Latin and the government wrote French. Since English wasn't written for over a century, most endings were dropped but none were added. --[[User:Jim ocoee\|Jim ocoee]] ([[User talk:Jim ocoee\|talk]]) 08:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)		I hate to disagree with Randall on anything ever, but the English inflections came from German. A quick look at Old English [https://lrc.la.utexas.edu/eieol/engol/10#grammar_1058 verb conjugation] shows that it's quite similar to modern German. Latin didn't really start to affect English until the Norman Invasion, after which the church wrote Latin and the government wrote French. Since English wasn't written for over a century, most endings were dropped but none were added. --[[User:Jim ocoee\|Jim ocoee]] ([[User talk:Jim ocoee\|talk]]) 08:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
	:English inflection didn't "come from" German, which didn't exist when English split from the other Germanic languages. It was present from proto-Germanic, the ancestor language of Old Norse, Old English, Old Gothic, etc. I believe you meant that English didn't get its inflections from Latin, which is quite true, but Randall and this article never said that it did.[[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 13:54, 6 February 2022 (UTC)		:English inflection didn't "come from" German, which didn't exist when English split from the other Germanic languages. It was present from proto-Germanic, the ancestor language of Old Norse, Old English, Old Gothic, etc. I believe you meant that English didn't get its inflections from Latin, which is quite true, but Randall and this article never said that it did.[[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 13:54, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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		+	As for English becoming more pictographic, look up ''Book From The Ground''. [[user talk:lett‪herebedarklight\|youtu.be/miLcaqq2Zpk]] 15:41, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

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	I hate to disagree with Randall on anything ever, but the English inflections came from German. A quick look at Old English [https://lrc.la.utexas.edu/eieol/engol/10#grammar_1058 verb conjugation] shows that it's quite similar to modern German. Latin didn't really start to affect English until the Norman Invasion, after which the church wrote Latin and the government wrote French. Since English wasn't written for over a century, most endings were dropped but none were added. --[[User:Jim ocoee\|Jim ocoee]] ([[User talk:Jim ocoee\|talk]]) 08:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)		I hate to disagree with Randall on anything ever, but the English inflections came from German. A quick look at Old English [https://lrc.la.utexas.edu/eieol/engol/10#grammar_1058 verb conjugation] shows that it's quite similar to modern German. Latin didn't really start to affect English until the Norman Invasion, after which the church wrote Latin and the government wrote French. Since English wasn't written for over a century, most endings were dropped but none were added. --[[User:Jim ocoee\|Jim ocoee]] ([[User talk:Jim ocoee\|talk]]) 08:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
−	:English inflection didn't "come from" German, which didn't exist when English split from the other Germanic languages. It was present from proto-Germanic, the ancestor language of Old Norse, Old English, Old Gothic, etc. I believe you meant that English didn't get its inflections from ~~German~~, which is quite true, but Randall and this article never said that it did.[[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 13:54, 6 February 2022 (UTC)	+	:English inflection didn't "come from" German, which didn't exist when English split from the other Germanic languages. It was present from proto-Germanic, the ancestor language of Old Norse, Old English, Old Gothic, etc. I believe you meant that English didn't get its inflections from Latin, which is quite true, but Randall and this article never said that it did.[[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 13:54, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

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	I hate to disagree with Randall on anything ever, but the English inflections came from German. A quick look at Old English [https://lrc.la.utexas.edu/eieol/engol/10#grammar_1058 verb conjugation] shows that it's quite similar to modern German. Latin didn't really start to affect English until the Norman Invasion, after which the church wrote Latin and the government wrote French. Since English wasn't written for over a century, most endings were dropped but none were added. --[[User:Jim ocoee\|Jim ocoee]] ([[User talk:Jim ocoee\|talk]]) 08:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)		I hate to disagree with Randall on anything ever, but the English inflections came from German. A quick look at Old English [https://lrc.la.utexas.edu/eieol/engol/10#grammar_1058 verb conjugation] shows that it's quite similar to modern German. Latin didn't really start to affect English until the Norman Invasion, after which the church wrote Latin and the government wrote French. Since English wasn't written for over a century, most endings were dropped but none were added. --[[User:Jim ocoee\|Jim ocoee]] ([[User talk:Jim ocoee\|talk]]) 08:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
		+	:English inflection didn't "come from" German, which didn't exist when English split from the other Germanic languages. It was present from proto-Germanic, the ancestor language of Old Norse, Old English, Old Gothic, etc. I believe you meant that English didn't get its inflections from German, which is quite true, but Randall and this article never said that it did.[[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 13:54, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

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	Any good reason inflections and pictographs can't occur together? Te ❤️o. Si me ❤️abis, 😁abo. [[User:Promethean\|Promethean]] ([[User talk:Promethean\|talk]]) 05:03, 3 September 2017 (UTC)		Any good reason inflections and pictographs can't occur together? Te ❤️o. Si me ❤️abis, 😁abo. [[User:Promethean\|Promethean]] ([[User talk:Promethean\|talk]]) 05:03, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
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		+	I hate to disagree with Randall on anything ever, but the English inflections came from German. A quick look at Old English [https://lrc.la.utexas.edu/eieol/engol/10#grammar_1058 verb conjugation] shows that it's quite similar to modern German. Latin didn't really start to affect English until the Norman Invasion, after which the church wrote Latin and the government wrote French. Since English wasn't written for over a century, most endings were dropped but none were added. --[[User:Jim ocoee\|Jim ocoee]] ([[User talk:Jim ocoee\|talk]]) 08:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

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	The chart lists active and passive forms, many using the helper word "have." However, most writing advice, software, or lessons guide writers into only using active voice and to avoid using the perfect or progressive. Does this mean Modern writing stylists are actively trying to remove the inflections from English while ironically decrying the increase in emoji or LOLspeak that Randall says is the natural result of that removal? [[Special:Contributions/199.27.128.105\|199.27.128.105]] 21:44, 25 July 2016 (UTC)Fred		The chart lists active and passive forms, many using the helper word "have." However, most writing advice, software, or lessons guide writers into only using active voice and to avoid using the perfect or progressive. Does this mean Modern writing stylists are actively trying to remove the inflections from English while ironically decrying the increase in emoji or LOLspeak that Randall says is the natural result of that removal? [[Special:Contributions/199.27.128.105\|199.27.128.105]] 21:44, 25 July 2016 (UTC)Fred
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		+	Any good reason inflections and pictographs can't occur together? Te ❤️o. Si me ❤️abis, 😁abo. [[User:Promethean\|Promethean]] ([[User talk:Promethean\|talk]]) 05:03, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

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 :::Just wants to point out: the character 钥 is a simplified form; in traditional Chinese it is written 鑰, composed with the radical 金 and the sound 龠 (that is also pronounced "yue", and means a kind of musical instrument). To argue about how a Chinese character is formed, one should first identify whether this character is a simplified form or not. Simplified forms undergoes one more reform than traditional forms, so it is inaccurate to use them as examples on this.
-:::And, as a matter of fact, traditionally how a Chinese characters formed are classified in six categories; "pictogram" and "ideogram" are both the classification among them. The Wikipedia article [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_character_classification Chinese character classification] gives a pretty good description of this.
+:::And, as a matter of fact, traditionally how a Chinese characters formed are classified in six categories; "pictogram" and "ideogram" are both the classification among them. The Wikipedia article [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_character_classification Chinese character classification] gives a pretty good description of this. --[[Special:Contributions/103.31.5.230|103.31.5.230]] 16:25, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 Does anyone know what the emoticon part is trying to say?

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	:::::I think this paragraph needs extensive rewriting. The term "pictographic language" should be eliminated entirely and replace with something more accurate, such as "the writing system has significant pictographic origins". After all, it is the writing system, and not the language, that is related to pictographs and ideographs. And even many of the common emojis are more ideographic in nature than pictographic! [[User:Billjefferys\|Billjefferys]] ([[User talk:Billjefferys\|talk]]) 13:19, 22 July 2016 (UTC)		:::::I think this paragraph needs extensive rewriting. The term "pictographic language" should be eliminated entirely and replace with something more accurate, such as "the writing system has significant pictographic origins". After all, it is the writing system, and not the language, that is related to pictographs and ideographs. And even many of the common emojis are more ideographic in nature than pictographic! [[User:Billjefferys\|Billjefferys]] ([[User talk:Billjefferys\|talk]]) 13:19, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
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		+	:::Just wants to point out: the character 钥 is a simplified form; in traditional Chinese it is written 鑰, composed with the radical 金 and the sound 龠 (that is also pronounced "yue", and means a kind of musical instrument). To argue about how a Chinese character is formed, one should first identify whether this character is a simplified form or not. Simplified forms undergoes one more reform than traditional forms, so it is inaccurate to use them as examples on this.
		+	:::And, as a matter of fact, traditionally how a Chinese characters formed are classified in six categories; "pictogram" and "ideogram" are both the classification among them. The Wikipedia article [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_character_classification Chinese character classification] gives a pretty good description of this.

	Does anyone know what the emoticon part is trying to say?		Does anyone know what the emoticon part is trying to say?

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 :👍=Correct 👏=Bravo/Congratulations 😊=I'm glad you get it --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.92.207|162.158.92.207]] 18:54, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 ::Seems pretty unambiguous to me: "Hitchhikers will bitch-slap you and laugh." [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.98|108.162.221.98]] 02:37, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 This comic was posted 3 days after the [http://worldemojiday.com/faq/ "World Emoji Day" (July 17)] created by Emojipedia founder Jeremy Burge in 2014. The date July 17 appears in the calendar emoji used by Apple, but other tech companies use [http://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/today-is-world-emoji-day/ different dates] in their version of this emoji. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.92.207|162.158.92.207]] 17:30, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

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	The article says that Japanese Kanji (which uses Chinese characters) is uninflected. This is based on a confusion. Japanese itself is highly inflected, with grammatical markers that are usually expressed using either Katakana or Hirigana syllabaries. The Kanji themselves are used for many words but are embedded in sentences that use both Kanji and one or both of the syllabaries. Both nouns and verbs are inflected. There is no such language as "Japanese Kanji" so this is just wrong. I will delete the corresponding clause in the main article. [[User:Billjefferys\|Billjefferys]] ([[User talk:Billjefferys\|talk]]) 12:35, 21 July 2016 (UTC)		The article says that Japanese Kanji (which uses Chinese characters) is uninflected. This is based on a confusion. Japanese itself is highly inflected, with grammatical markers that are usually expressed using either Katakana or Hirigana syllabaries. The Kanji themselves are used for many words but are embedded in sentences that use both Kanji and one or both of the syllabaries. Both nouns and verbs are inflected. There is no such language as "Japanese Kanji" so this is just wrong. I will delete the corresponding clause in the main article. [[User:Billjefferys\|Billjefferys]] ([[User talk:Billjefferys\|talk]]) 12:35, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
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		+	The chart lists active and passive forms, many using the helper word "have." However, most writing advice, software, or lessons guide writers into only using active voice and to avoid using the perfect or progressive. Does this mean Modern writing stylists are actively trying to remove the inflections from English while ironically decrying the increase in emoji or LOLspeak that Randall says is the natural result of that removal? [[Special:Contributions/199.27.128.105\|199.27.128.105]] 21:44, 25 July 2016 (UTC)Fred