Talk:1965: Background Apps - Revision history

Jkshapiro: ROI, amirite?

2024-01-07T15:52:26Z

ROI, amirite?

NiceGuy1 at 05:42, 30 March 2018

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Fabian42 at 09:47, 19 March 2018

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These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For at 04:15, 18 March 2018

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162.158.154.49 at 14:31, 12 March 2018

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162.158.142.28 at 13:29, 11 March 2018

2018-03-11T13:29:45Z

Herobrine: Typos

2018-03-11T13:02:08Z

Typos

Herobrine at 13:00, 11 March 2018

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162.158.202.88 at 09:12, 11 March 2018

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Cutech at 07:46, 11 March 2018

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 All the planes would have to be flying in nearby airspace, towing LED or LCD banners. There would also have to be individual observers, either on each plane or on the ground, ready to change the messages in real time. You would need a bunch of clairvoyants with very large lead times if you planned to do this if the planes towed traditional pre-printed or pre-assembled banners. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|talk]]) 04:15, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 I mostly close background apps because I want to have an overview of the recent apps. Sometimes I use three or more at a time, I don't want to scroll past others for that. Also, I sometimes use the empty space above to go to the home screen. Also, my phone is extremely eager to close background apps (including the music player or Chrome while I'm selecting a file to attach on a website), so it would be closed anyway. [[User:Fabian42|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42|talk]]) 09:47, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 I expect few people close background apps to conserve battery. I feel like most people would do it for the same reason as I do: Freeing up system resources (memory and processing power). Secondly, the "cheaper to leave open" argument (whether about battery or resources) is flawed, and the people who use this argument never seem to spot it: It depends how LONG. If I re-open the app in 2 minutes, sure, then I should have left it open. If I don't touch it for 24 hours, then sorry, closing it was the more efficient solution. The "leaving it open" cost is ONGOING. It keeps costing, while reopening the app costs once, the same cost no matter how long - in theory, anyway, depending on how sloppy the device is about said closure. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 05:42, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

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	I mostly close background apps because I want to have an overview of the recent apps. Sometimes I use three or more at a time, I don't want to scroll past others for that. Also, I sometimes use the empty space above to go to the home screen. Also, my phone is extremely eager to close background apps (including the music player or Chrome while I'm selecting a file to attach on a website), so it would be closed anyway. [[User:Fabian42\|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42\|talk]]) 09:47, 19 March 2018 (UTC)		I mostly close background apps because I want to have an overview of the recent apps. Sometimes I use three or more at a time, I don't want to scroll past others for that. Also, I sometimes use the empty space above to go to the home screen. Also, my phone is extremely eager to close background apps (including the music player or Chrome while I'm selecting a file to attach on a website), so it would be closed anyway. [[User:Fabian42\|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42\|talk]]) 09:47, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
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		+	I expect few people close background apps to conserve battery. I feel like most people would do it for the same reason as I do: Freeing up system resources (memory and processing power). Secondly, the "cheaper to leave open" argument (whether about battery or resources) is flawed, and the people who use this argument never seem to spot it: It depends how LONG. If I re-open the app in 2 minutes, sure, then I should have left it open. If I don't touch it for 24 hours, then sorry, closing it was the more efficient solution. The "leaving it open" cost is ONGOING. It keeps costing, while reopening the app costs once, the same cost no matter how long - in theory, anyway, depending on how sloppy the device is about said closure. [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 05:42, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

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	All the planes would have to be flying in nearby airspace, towing LED or LCD banners. There would also have to be individual observers, either on each plane or on the ground, ready to change the messages in real time. You would need a bunch of clairvoyants with very large lead times if you planned to do this if the planes towed traditional pre-printed or pre-assembled banners. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 04:15, 18 March 2018 (UTC)		All the planes would have to be flying in nearby airspace, towing LED or LCD banners. There would also have to be individual observers, either on each plane or on the ground, ready to change the messages in real time. You would need a bunch of clairvoyants with very large lead times if you planned to do this if the planes towed traditional pre-printed or pre-assembled banners. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 04:15, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
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		+	I mostly close background apps because I want to have an overview of the recent apps. Sometimes I use three or more at a time, I don't want to scroll past others for that. Also, I sometimes use the empty space above to go to the home screen. Also, my phone is extremely eager to close background apps (including the music player or Chrome while I'm selecting a file to attach on a website), so it would be closed anyway. [[User:Fabian42\|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42\|talk]]) 09:47, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

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	"Participants in online discussions sometimes become so focused on pointing out the perceived mistakes of others that they neglect good online practices and their computers crash." -But like... not really. You could be as obsessed with arguing on a forum as you want, and lack all kinds of 'good practice' online, and you'd still need a Sunday morning cartoon-esque level of coincidence for your keyboard warrioring to result in your computer crashing. We're really struggling for a 'crash' pun here I think. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.142.28\|162.158.142.28]] 13:29, 11 March 2018 (UTC)		"Participants in online discussions sometimes become so focused on pointing out the perceived mistakes of others that they neglect good online practices and their computers crash." -But like... not really. You could be as obsessed with arguing on a forum as you want, and lack all kinds of 'good practice' online, and you'd still need a Sunday morning cartoon-esque level of coincidence for your keyboard warrioring to result in your computer crashing. We're really struggling for a 'crash' pun here I think. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.142.28\|162.158.142.28]] 13:29, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
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		+	All the planes would have to be flying in nearby airspace, towing LED or LCD banners. There would also have to be individual observers, either on each plane or on the ground, ready to change the messages in real time. You would need a bunch of clairvoyants with very large lead times if you planned to do this if the planes towed traditional pre-printed or pre-assembled banners. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 04:15, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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	: This drives me crazy too; The sheer number of apps which launch upon system startup is idiotic. Every app wants to open quickly, so they preload as much as possible, ''even when I haven't used them & have no intention to.'' The phenomena of tabs getting cleared from the cache is particularly loathsome. One might as well just not have tabs at all & only show a series of History links, if several pages can't be kept open at once. I frequently open secondary tabs to locate & cite references for a comment in an existing tab, only to have the comment page reload when I return to insert the relevant link into my comment. '''Note to Android developers:''' Don't clear downloaded data out of the cache if there's any local data you could clear instead. [[User:ProphetZarquon\|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon\|talk]]) 15:04, 10 March 2018 (UTC)		: This drives me crazy too; The sheer number of apps which launch upon system startup is idiotic. Every app wants to open quickly, so they preload as much as possible, ''even when I haven't used them & have no intention to.'' The phenomena of tabs getting cleared from the cache is particularly loathsome. One might as well just not have tabs at all & only show a series of History links, if several pages can't be kept open at once. I frequently open secondary tabs to locate & cite references for a comment in an existing tab, only to have the comment page reload when I return to insert the relevant link into my comment. '''Note to Android developers:''' Don't clear downloaded data out of the cache if there's any local data you could clear instead. [[User:ProphetZarquon\|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon\|talk]]) 15:04, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
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		+	:Never believe the Android developing team. Background apps can kill your battery like crazy, specially spyware apps like Chrome which are constantly "synchronizing".

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	:You're missing the point. The joke here is the fact that he (along with other people) is renting extremely expensive banners for a trivial reason. Also, you misspelled Randall"s name, I've edited that for you. [[User:Herobrine\|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine\|talk]]) 13:00, 11 March 2018 (UTC)		:You're missing the point. The joke here is the fact that he (along with other people) is renting extremely expensive banners for a trivial reason. Also, you misspelled Randall"s name, I've edited that for you. [[User:Herobrine\|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine\|talk]]) 13:00, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
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		+	"Participants in online discussions sometimes become so focused on pointing out the perceived mistakes of others that they neglect good online practices and their computers crash." -But like... not really. You could be as obsessed with arguing on a forum as you want, and lack all kinds of 'good practice' online, and you'd still need a Sunday morning cartoon-esque level of coincidence for your keyboard warrioring to result in your computer crashing. We're really struggling for a 'crash' pun here I think. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.142.28\|162.158.142.28]] 13:29, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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	Randall is even wrong here. While in THEORY a background application does not consume any power, there are so many exceptions that for an average users it can be hard to know if one of your running applications is one of those with an exception that continues to use a lot of battery (exceptions include things that can send notifications, anything with background audio and things using location services).[[Special:Contributions/162.158.202.88\|162.158.202.88]] 09:12, 11 March 2018 (UTC)		Randall is even wrong here. While in THEORY a background application does not consume any power, there are so many exceptions that for an average users it can be hard to know if one of your running applications is one of those with an exception that continues to use a lot of battery (exceptions include things that can send notifications, anything with background audio and things using location services).[[Special:Contributions/162.158.202.88\|162.158.202.88]] 09:12, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

−	:You're missing the point. The joke here is fact that he's renting extremely expensive banners for a trivial reason. Also, you misspelled Randall"s name, I've edited that for you. [[User:Herobrine\|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine\|talk]]) 13:00, 11 March 2018 (UTC)	+	:You're missing the point. The joke here is the fact that he (along with other people) is renting extremely expensive banners for a trivial reason. Also, you misspelled Randall"s name, I've edited that for you. [[User:Herobrine\|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine\|talk]]) 13:00, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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−	~~Randal~~ is even wrong here. While in THEORY a background application does not consume any power, there are so many exceptions that for an average users it can be hard to know if one of your running applications is one of those with an exception that continues to use a lot of battery (exceptions include things that can send notifications, anything with background audio and things using location services).[[Special:Contributions/162.158.202.88\|162.158.202.88]] 09:12, 11 March 2018 (UTC)	+	Randall is even wrong here. While in THEORY a background application does not consume any power, there are so many exceptions that for an average users it can be hard to know if one of your running applications is one of those with an exception that continues to use a lot of battery (exceptions include things that can send notifications, anything with background audio and things using location services).[[Special:Contributions/162.158.202.88\|162.158.202.88]] 09:12, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
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		+	:You're missing the point. The joke here is fact that he's renting extremely expensive banners for a trivial reason. Also, you misspelled Randall"s name, I've edited that for you. [[User:Herobrine\|Herobrine]] ([[User talk:Herobrine\|talk]]) 13:00, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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	Looks like these banners cost on the order of $500/hour (e.g. http://www.flyskyads.com/what-it-costs/). --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.54.112\|172.68.54.112]] 02:40, 11 March 2018 (UTC)		Looks like these banners cost on the order of $500/hour (e.g. http://www.flyskyads.com/what-it-costs/). --[[Special:Contributions/172.68.54.112\|172.68.54.112]] 02:40, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
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		+	Randal is even wrong here. While in THEORY a background application does not consume any power, there are so many exceptions that for an average users it can be hard to know if one of your running applications is one of those with an exception that continues to use a lot of battery (exceptions include things that can send notifications, anything with background audio and things using location services).[[Special:Contributions/162.158.202.88\|162.158.202.88]] 09:12, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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 I too have a low end android phone (v4.1.2), and I can tell you that it doesn't automatically close apps when it runs out of memory. I can have my foreground app crash (while seeing the IOU memory message) and the background apps are still open. It drives me mad when people claim that the memory management is perfect, and cannot be improved by human management. The user has special knowledge that the OS doesn't. I.E. I am done with a certain app, and won't be using it for a while.
 [[Special:Contributions/162.158.79.119|162.158.79.119]] 19:39, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 My experience shows that an Android phone indeed tries to conserve memory, but is rather stupid about it. E.g. if I have a couple of tabs open in Chrome, this usually means I'm actually ''switching'' between them. Yet, even though I'm ''in'' Chrome at the moment, when memory runs out it will not kill unused apps - no, it will look for room in the cache, meaning that the tabs will reload at every switch. More bandwith usage when not on WiFi. Slower browsing. Losing state for script-driven sites, start again. Dynamic content reloaded, that random article link that looked interesting - good luck finding it again... And so on. Killing apps really makes room for more tabs. So, the advice from first panel looked just weird at first sight - what does battery life have to do with that? I kill unused apps all the time and never even considered whether it would have any effect on battery. Logical fallacy: assume the reason for some action and criticize that. Surprizing on Randall's part. --[[Special:Contributions/141.101.77.212|141.101.77.212]] 20:59, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
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 : This drives me crazy too; The sheer number of apps which launch upon system startup is idiotic. Every app wants to open quickly, so they preload as much as possible, ''even when I haven't used them & have no intention to.'' The phenomena of tabs getting cleared from the cache is particularly loathsome. One might as well just not have tabs at all & only show a series of History links, if several pages can't be kept open at once. I frequently open secondary tabs to locate & cite references for a comment in an existing tab, only to have the comment page reload when I return to insert the relevant link into my comment. '''Note to Android developers:''' Don't clear downloaded data out of the cache if there's any local data you could clear instead. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 15:04, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
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