Talk:2055: Bluetooth - Revision history

172.70.85.21 at 02:05, 19 June 2024

2024-06-19T02:05:41Z

Lupo at 12:26, 9 August 2023

2023-08-09T12:26:21Z

172.70.90.100 at 11:12, 3 May 2023

2023-05-03T11:12:18Z

Nitpicking: J---h did it!

2023-05-03T10:40:19Z

J---h did it!

Overand: 100% unneeded reply to 3 1/2 year old comment, to justify describing BT as "designed for audio."

2022-04-04T17:12:15Z

100% unneeded reply to 3 1/2 year old comment, to justify describing BT as "designed for audio."

172.69.34.170 at 06:21, 27 August 2020

2020-08-27T06:21:02Z

PotatoGod: Minor fixes

2020-01-10T02:03:44Z

Minor fixes

PotatoGod: 1.5 year update on Bluetooth behavior.

2020-01-10T02:00:44Z

1.5 year update on Bluetooth behavior.

Lupo: white hat uses brackets while speaking... weird.

2019-11-07T15:48:05Z

white hat uses brackets while speaking... weird.

Dgbrt: Undo revision 164517 by 172.68.143.240 (talk) Vandalism

2018-10-22T18:44:23Z

Undo revision 164517 by 172.68.143.240 (talk) Vandalism

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	Interesting bluetooth 'problem' encountered a few years back. On a two-hire-car trip across country, which I joined part-way through, it became obvious that people/drivers had swapped cars. When some passengers in one car phoned those in the other (to coordinate who was going ahead/stopping for various reasons) the conversation would be punctuated by the voice of the present person speaking across to the other vehicle suddenly being rebroadcast out of our car's speakers as the other vehicle (and the phone of the recipient of the call) came briefly in range of our own and re-established an original hands-free pairing (wanted or unwanted, but probably tried out deliberately when originally driving the other car. Can't recall a connection-tone, but it was clear what was happening. But not sure I recall if it cut handest audio from the phone involved so that the 'conversation' was now only between our handset and our car-audio... or maybe it was now between ''their'' audio (using our handset) and ''our'' audio (using their handset), crossing between vehicles twice (plus a pair of phone signals to the nearest mast and back). I think some settings were unset at some point, though. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.100\|172.70.90.100]] 11:12, 3 May 2023 (UTC)		Interesting bluetooth 'problem' encountered a few years back. On a two-hire-car trip across country, which I joined part-way through, it became obvious that people/drivers had swapped cars. When some passengers in one car phoned those in the other (to coordinate who was going ahead/stopping for various reasons) the conversation would be punctuated by the voice of the present person speaking across to the other vehicle suddenly being rebroadcast out of our car's speakers as the other vehicle (and the phone of the recipient of the call) came briefly in range of our own and re-established an original hands-free pairing (wanted or unwanted, but probably tried out deliberately when originally driving the other car. Can't recall a connection-tone, but it was clear what was happening. But not sure I recall if it cut handest audio from the phone involved so that the 'conversation' was now only between our handset and our car-audio... or maybe it was now between ''their'' audio (using our handset) and ''our'' audio (using their handset), crossing between vehicles twice (plus a pair of phone signals to the nearest mast and back). I think some settings were unset at some point, though. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.100\|172.70.90.100]] 11:12, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
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		+	Thought I'd pass by this article, whilst fiddling with my bluetooth earphones ''yet again''... Why is it that I have to uninstall them (almost) every time I want to connect them to my (Win11) machine? "Power on. Pairing.", they say. Windows displays "Connected.", but the earphones don't say "Connected", to me, at this stage, and System>Sound only gives me the inbuilt Speakers as the Output option. And, then the 'phones announce "Power Off", having not connected and saving themselves (and Windows knows it, as it now reads as "Not connected"...) So what I'll do now is "''Remove device''", turn off bluetooth, turn bluetooth back on, turn the earphones back on, click on "Add device", choose "Bluetooth", wait for it to announce "Living Room TV" (and several other devices) which one or other of my immediate neighbours must have in "discovery" mode, then my headphones ''might'' appear to be added, which ''might'' soon then speak the word "Connected", which ''might'' make them appear again as an option in System>Sound>Output, and then I get to use them like I tried to five minutes or more earlier... No, scratch that. I'll just plug a perfectly good pair or wired headphones in the 3.5mm jack and also not get that fraction of a second lag between any on-screen cue and the audio radiating out of these bluetoothed earplugs...
		+	<br/>Bearing in mind that I've got no problem (still, though it's been a while since I last had to do this in anger) setting up a bootable floppy with the right drivers to get a NIC connecting to a Novell server for network-installation purposes... But bluetooth (hidden behind the 'modern' paradigm of Plug'N'Play) is far from the utopian ideal, as far as I'm concerned. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.21\|172.70.85.21]] 02:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

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 Noone mentions, that white hat uses brackets while speaking? --[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo|talk]]) 15:48, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
 Above, people speculated that Josiah Bluetooth owes his existence to Josiah Wedgewood. I personally immediately thought of Jebediah Springfield, another made-up historical figure whose name starts with "J" and ends with "h" and sounds old-timey and Biblical. [[User:Nitpicking|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking|talk]]) 10:40, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 Interesting bluetooth 'problem' encountered a few years back. On a two-hire-car trip across country, which I joined part-way through, it became obvious that people/drivers had swapped cars. When some passengers in one car phoned those in the other (to coordinate who was going ahead/stopping for various reasons) the conversation would be punctuated by the voice of the present person speaking across to the other vehicle suddenly being rebroadcast out of our car's speakers as the other vehicle (and the phone of the recipient of the call) came briefly in range of our own and re-established an original hands-free pairing (wanted or unwanted, but probably tried out deliberately when originally driving the other car. Can't recall a connection-tone, but it was clear what was happening. But not sure I recall if it cut handest audio from the phone involved so that the 'conversation' was now only between our handset and our car-audio... or maybe it was now between ''their'' audio (using our handset) and ''our'' audio (using their handset), crossing between vehicles twice (plus a pair of phone signals to the nearest mast and back). I think some settings were unset at some point, though. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.100|172.70.90.100]] 11:12, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

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	Above, people speculated that Josiah Bluetooth owes his existence to Josiah Wedgewood. I personally immediately thought of Jebediah Springfield, another made-up historical figure whose name starts with "J" and ends with "h" and sounds old-timey and Biblical. [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 10:40, 3 May 2023 (UTC)		Above, people speculated that Josiah Bluetooth owes his existence to Josiah Wedgewood. I personally immediately thought of Jebediah Springfield, another made-up historical figure whose name starts with "J" and ends with "h" and sounds old-timey and Biblical. [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 10:40, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
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		+	Interesting bluetooth 'problem' encountered a few years back. On a two-hire-car trip across country, which I joined part-way through, it became obvious that people/drivers had swapped cars. When some passengers in one car phoned those in the other (to coordinate who was going ahead/stopping for various reasons) the conversation would be punctuated by the voice of the present person speaking across to the other vehicle suddenly being rebroadcast out of our car's speakers as the other vehicle (and the phone of the recipient of the call) came briefly in range of our own and re-established an original hands-free pairing (wanted or unwanted, but probably tried out deliberately when originally driving the other car. Can't recall a connection-tone, but it was clear what was happening. But not sure I recall if it cut handest audio from the phone involved so that the 'conversation' was now only between our handset and our car-audio... or maybe it was now between ''their'' audio (using our handset) and ''our'' audio (using their handset), crossing between vehicles twice (plus a pair of phone signals to the nearest mast and back). I think some settings were unset at some point, though. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.100\|172.70.90.100]] 11:12, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

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	Noone mentions, that white hat uses brackets while speaking? --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 15:48, 7 November 2019 (UTC)		Noone mentions, that white hat uses brackets while speaking? --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 15:48, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
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		+	Above, people speculated that Josiah Bluetooth owes his existence to Josiah Wedgewood. I personally immediately thought of Jebediah Springfield, another made-up historical figure whose name starts with "J" and ends with "h" and sounds old-timey and Biblical. [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 10:40, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

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	I have great trouble believing the statement that Bluetooth was designed for transfer of information "and audio". I suspect the reality is simply that several audio applications have been found (speakers, headphones, handsfree devices for cars...). The audio is the information in those applications, not that audio transfer was part of the original intent of Bluetooth. [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)		I have great trouble believing the statement that Bluetooth was designed for transfer of information "and audio". I suspect the reality is simply that several audio applications have been found (speakers, headphones, handsfree devices for cars...). The audio is the information in those applications, not that audio transfer was part of the original intent of Bluetooth. [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
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		+	:I took a look at [https://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/Bluetooth/core_10_b.pdf the official 1999 Bluetooth 1.0B standard (PDF, 1000+ pages)] which specifies "Bluetooth audio" in the "Baseband Specification". In terms of actual use back then, ''"The first consumer Bluetooth device was launched in 1999. It was a hands-free mobile headset that earned the "Best of show Technology Award" at COMDEX."'' --[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#History The Other Wiki] - the first product being audio is pretty relevant, right? [More useful history/context https://www.headphonesty.com/2021/01/bluetooth-versions/] noting that BT development "... was initiated by Ericsson Mobile CTO Nils Rydbeck in 1989. The first version was ... (developed by) an engineer ... at the same company." (Being a mobile phone comapny in the 90s, audio was pretty much item #1.[[User:Overand\|Overand]] ([[User talk:Overand\|talk]]) 17:12, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

	I've found it just works on linux, with the exception of a) HFP/HFC, which has poor sound quality, and b) conflicts from the hellscape of the windows bluetooth stack. It's actually why I switched originally, linux has good a2dp sink behavior (can act as headphones and recieve sound from say a phone), windows has none whatsoever. More recently, I decided to use a wii remote as a mouse. The bluetooth connection was already installed and configured, just needed the x driver. Yes. It literally "just works" with f****** WII REMOTES		I've found it just works on linux, with the exception of a) HFP/HFC, which has poor sound quality, and b) conflicts from the hellscape of the windows bluetooth stack. It's actually why I switched originally, linux has good a2dp sink behavior (can act as headphones and recieve sound from say a phone), windows has none whatsoever. More recently, I decided to use a wii remote as a mouse. The bluetooth connection was already installed and configured, just needed the x driver. Yes. It literally "just works" with f****** WII REMOTES

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	I have great trouble believing the statement that Bluetooth was designed for transfer of information "and audio". I suspect the reality is simply that several audio applications have been found (speakers, headphones, handsfree devices for cars...). The audio is the information in those applications, not that audio transfer was part of the original intent of Bluetooth. [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)		I have great trouble believing the statement that Bluetooth was designed for transfer of information "and audio". I suspect the reality is simply that several audio applications have been found (speakers, headphones, handsfree devices for cars...). The audio is the information in those applications, not that audio transfer was part of the original intent of Bluetooth. [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
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		+	I've found it just works on linux, with the exception of a) HFP/HFC, which has poor sound quality, and b) conflicts from the hellscape of the windows bluetooth stack. It's actually why I switched originally, linux has good a2dp sink behavior (can act as headphones and recieve sound from say a phone), windows has none whatsoever. More recently, I decided to use a wii remote as a mouse. The bluetooth connection was already installed and configured, just needed the x driver. Yes. It literally "just works" with f****** WII REMOTES
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	Noone mentions, that white hat uses brackets while speaking? --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 15:48, 7 November 2019 (UTC)		Noone mentions, that white hat uses brackets while speaking? --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 15:48, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

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	Bluetooth is still far from perfect, but it’s actually useable now, a huge leap from a few years ago. [[User:PotatoGod\|PotatoGod]] ([[User talk:PotatoGod\|talk]]) 16:38, 6 October 2018 (UTC)		Bluetooth is still far from perfect, but it’s actually useable now, a huge leap from a few years ago. [[User:PotatoGod\|PotatoGod]] ([[User talk:PotatoGod\|talk]]) 16:38, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

−	Follow up a year and a half later: Nope, Bluetooth routing still sucks in complex situations: when in a phone call over Bluetooth headphones, if I open my car's door to get something out of it (or someone else in my family does in the garage while I'm in another room), and suddenly my phone call is routed through the car's speakers instead of my headphones, then I have to frantically switch the phone's output back to the headphones and apologize for needing to ask the person on the other end to repeat the last ten seconds of what they said. Happens every time, except sometimes it will go to speakerphone or the phone's internal speakers instead of the when the door is closed again. Summary: Bluetooth is great at getting sound from point A to point B, and within an ecosystem (ie Airpods with Apple devices). Outside of those situations, it's a random lottery how it'll behave. [[User:PotatoGod\|PotatoGod]] ([[User talk:PotatoGod\|talk]]) 02:00, 10 January 2020 (UTC)	+	Follow up a year and a half later:
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		+	Nope, Bluetooth routing still sucks in complex situations: when in a phone call over Bluetooth headphones, if I open my car's door to get something out of it (or someone else in my family does so in the garage while I'm in another room), and suddenly my phone call is routed through the car's speakers instead of my headphones, then I have to frantically switch the phone's output back to the headphones and apologize for needing to ask the person on the other end to repeat the last ten seconds of what they said. Happens every time, except sometimes it will go to speakerphone or the phone's internal speakers instead of the when the door is closed again.
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		+	Summary: Bluetooth is great at getting sound from point A to point B, and within an ecosystem (ie Airpods with Apple devices). Outside of those situations, it's a random lottery how it'll behave. [[User:PotatoGod\|PotatoGod]] ([[User talk:PotatoGod\|talk]]) 02:00, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

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	Bluetooth is still far from perfect, but it’s actually useable now, a huge leap from a few years ago. [[User:PotatoGod\|PotatoGod]] ([[User talk:PotatoGod\|talk]]) 16:38, 6 October 2018 (UTC)		Bluetooth is still far from perfect, but it’s actually useable now, a huge leap from a few years ago. [[User:PotatoGod\|PotatoGod]] ([[User talk:PotatoGod\|talk]]) 16:38, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
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		+	Follow up a year and a half later: Nope, Bluetooth routing still sucks in complex situations: when in a phone call over Bluetooth headphones, if I open my car's door to get something out of it (or someone else in my family does in the garage while I'm in another room), and suddenly my phone call is routed through the car's speakers instead of my headphones, then I have to frantically switch the phone's output back to the headphones and apologize for needing to ask the person on the other end to repeat the last ten seconds of what they said. Happens every time, except sometimes it will go to speakerphone or the phone's internal speakers instead of the when the door is closed again. Summary: Bluetooth is great at getting sound from point A to point B, and within an ecosystem (ie Airpods with Apple devices). Outside of those situations, it's a random lottery how it'll behave. [[User:PotatoGod\|PotatoGod]] ([[User talk:PotatoGod\|talk]]) 02:00, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
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	It's still hit and miss a lot of times, depending on the devices in question. My friend's car has Bluetooth, and when it worked it worked great. But then every once in a while it would stop working, he'd ask me as his tech friend to try to get it working, and I couldn't... and then he had to take it to the car dealership to get it working. [[User:N0lqu\|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu\|talk]]) 20:45, 6 October 2018 (UTC)		It's still hit and miss a lot of times, depending on the devices in question. My friend's car has Bluetooth, and when it worked it worked great. But then every once in a while it would stop working, he'd ask me as his tech friend to try to get it working, and I couldn't... and then he had to take it to the car dealership to get it working. [[User:N0lqu\|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu\|talk]]) 20:45, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

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	I have great trouble believing the statement that Bluetooth was designed for transfer of information "and audio". I suspect the reality is simply that several audio applications have been found (speakers, headphones, handsfree devices for cars...). The audio is the information in those applications, not that audio transfer was part of the original intent of Bluetooth. [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)		I have great trouble believing the statement that Bluetooth was designed for transfer of information "and audio". I suspect the reality is simply that several audio applications have been found (speakers, headphones, handsfree devices for cars...). The audio is the information in those applications, not that audio transfer was part of the original intent of Bluetooth. [[User:NiceGuy1\|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1\|talk]]) 04:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
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		+	Noone mentions, that white hat uses brackets while speaking? --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 15:48, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

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 Wireless charging standard may be a pun on the word "charging."  Vikings were certainly known for "charging" into battle, and so Harald may indeed have invented a "wireless charging standard" or a standardized way for his Vikings to enter a battle.  If so, it was unlikely to have used wires. {{unsigned|Tomkonrad}}
 : That's just what I was thinking! [[User:Asimong|Asimong]] ([[User talk:Asimong|talk]]) 07:38, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
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 Uh, I don't know anything really about Bluetooth, but do they really use accelerometer timing?  That doesn't sound right...  [[Special:Contributions/172.68.90.88|172.68.90.88]] 17:34, 5 October 2018 (UTC)SiliconWolf
-: If you read it again, you should notice that WhiteHat admits that he's lying. Bluetooth doesn't pair that way. He was joking. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 19:05, 5 October 2018 (UTC)'''Bold text'''
+: If you read it again, you should notice that WhiteHat admits that he's lying. Bluetooth doesn't pair that way. He was joking. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 19:05, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 :: Some of them do pair this way...sort of, their accelerometers tell them they've been picked up and get ready for close range communication (like a couple inches) that exchange information for their bluetooth settings[[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.190|162.158.75.190]] 19:47, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
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 I have great trouble believing the statement that Bluetooth was designed for transfer of information "and audio". I suspect the reality is simply that several audio applications have been found (speakers, headphones, handsfree devices for cars...). The audio is the information in those applications, not that audio transfer was part of the original intent of Bluetooth. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)