Talk:2128: New Robot - Revision history

141.101.107.210: Explain why battery wouldn't work to lightning strike

2020-02-14T19:44:24Z

Explain why battery wouldn't work to lightning strike

Pbb at 07:24, 2 April 2019

2019-04-02T07:24:41Z

Netherin5 at 16:10, 28 March 2019

2019-03-28T16:10:48Z

Gunterkoenigsmann: Charging something that isn't connected to the ground?

2019-03-28T16:02:20Z

Charging something that isn't connected to the ground?

Gunterkoenigsmann: Corrected one of my sentences.

2019-03-28T15:57:23Z

Corrected one of my sentences.

Gunterkoenigsmann: Is the thing really cool?

2019-03-28T15:56:07Z

Is the thing really cool?

Lupo at 08:16, 28 March 2019

2019-03-28T08:16:43Z

162.158.155.176 at 22:35, 27 March 2019

2019-03-27T22:35:01Z

172.68.58.251: Helium sphere != helium balloon

2019-03-27T10:06:15Z

Helium sphere != helium balloon

Glassvein at 02:52, 27 March 2019

2019-03-27T02:52:42Z

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 :And how does the device charge itself electrically if it has no connection to the ground?[[User:Gunterkoenigsmann|Gunterkoenigsmann]] ([[User talk:Gunterkoenigsmann|talk]]) 16:02, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 ::A battery? [[User:Netherin5|“That Guy from the Netherlands”]] ([[User talk:Netherin5|talk]]) 16:10, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 : Just like a helium balloon is not a balloon made out of helium, but a balloon filled with helium, a helium sphere is not a sphere made out of helium, but a sphere filled with helium. --[[User:Pbb|Pbb]] ([[User talk:Pbb|talk]]) 07:24, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

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	:And how does the device charge itself electrically if it has no connection to the ground?[[User:Gunterkoenigsmann\|Gunterkoenigsmann]] ([[User talk:Gunterkoenigsmann\|talk]]) 16:02, 28 March 2019 (UTC)		:And how does the device charge itself electrically if it has no connection to the ground?[[User:Gunterkoenigsmann\|Gunterkoenigsmann]] ([[User talk:Gunterkoenigsmann\|talk]]) 16:02, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
	::A battery? [[User:Netherin5\|“That Guy from the Netherlands”]] ([[User talk:Netherin5\|talk]]) 16:10, 28 March 2019 (UTC)		::A battery? [[User:Netherin5\|“That Guy from the Netherlands”]] ([[User talk:Netherin5\|talk]]) 16:10, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
		+	: Just like a helium balloon is not a balloon made out of helium, but a balloon filled with helium, a helium sphere is not a sphere made out of helium, but a sphere filled with helium. --[[User:Pbb\|Pbb]] ([[User talk:Pbb\|talk]]) 07:24, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

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 It seems like, from both the references(E.G. Hookshot) to various things and the captions, that this bot was built with the purpose of being cool rather than any sort of destructive nature. [[User:V|V]] ([[User talk:V|talk]]) 03:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 :I don't think if a charged thing that uses a grappling hook in order to move is too cool as it would most probably discharge its static electricity as soon as it tries to shoot the hook at anything. As a 2nd thought I perhaps would think about if it is fit to be used as a weapon rather than as a rescue thingy, see [[2072:_Evaluating_Tech_Things]] [[User:Gunterkoenigsmann|Gunterkoenigsmann]] ([[User talk:Gunterkoenigsmann|talk]]) 15:56, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 I thought I recognized [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_JcKSHUtQ&t=2m9s that stage.] [[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.95|172.68.132.95]] 04:00, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
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 It also states that the helium is a sphere -- "floats using a helium sphere" -- not that the helium is ''contained'' in a sphere. Seems there might be some considerable engineering challenges there, either to keep gaseous helium "attached" to the robot and to keep it from dissipating or to make and maintain a non-gaseous sphere of helium. Kinda difficult to have solid helium hanging around, for instance...
 :And how does the device charge itself electrically if it has no connection to the ground?[[User:Gunterkoenigsmann|Gunterkoenigsmann]] ([[User talk:Gunterkoenigsmann|talk]]) 16:02, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

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	It also states that the helium is a sphere -- "floats using a helium sphere" -- not that the helium is ''contained'' in a sphere. Seems there might be some considerable engineering challenges there, either to keep gaseous helium "attached" to the robot and to keep it from dissipating or to make and maintain a non-gaseous sphere of helium. Kinda difficult to have solid helium hanging around, for instance...		It also states that the helium is a sphere -- "floats using a helium sphere" -- not that the helium is ''contained'' in a sphere. Seems there might be some considerable engineering challenges there, either to keep gaseous helium "attached" to the robot and to keep it from dissipating or to make and maintain a non-gaseous sphere of helium. Kinda difficult to have solid helium hanging around, for instance...
		+	:And how does the device charge itself electrically if it has no connection to the ground?[[User:Gunterkoenigsmann\|Gunterkoenigsmann]] ([[User talk:Gunterkoenigsmann\|talk]]) 16:02, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

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 It seems like, from both the references(E.G. Hookshot) to various things and the captions, that this bot was built with the purpose of being cool rather than any sort of destructive nature. [[User:V|V]] ([[User talk:V|talk]]) 03:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
-:I don't think if a charged thing that uses a grappling hook in order to move is too cool as it would most probably discharge its static electricity as soon as it tries to shoot the hook at anything. As a 2nd thought I perhaps would think about if it is fit  useto be used as a weapon instead of using it as a rescue thingy, see [[2072:_Evaluating_Tech_Things]] [[User:Gunterkoenigsmann|Gunterkoenigsmann]] ([[User talk:Gunterkoenigsmann|talk]]) 15:56, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
+:I don't think if a charged thing that uses a grappling hook in order to move is too cool as it would most probably discharge its static electricity as soon as it tries to shoot the hook at anything. As a 2nd thought I perhaps would think about if it is fit to be used as a weapon rather than as a rescue thingy, see [[2072:_Evaluating_Tech_Things]] [[User:Gunterkoenigsmann|Gunterkoenigsmann]] ([[User talk:Gunterkoenigsmann|talk]]) 15:56, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 I thought I recognized [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_JcKSHUtQ&t=2m9s that stage.] [[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.95|172.68.132.95]] 04:00, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

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	It seems like, from both the references(E.G. Hookshot) to various things and the captions, that this bot was built with the purpose of being cool rather than any sort of destructive nature. [[User:V\|V]] ([[User talk:V\|talk]]) 03:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)		It seems like, from both the references(E.G. Hookshot) to various things and the captions, that this bot was built with the purpose of being cool rather than any sort of destructive nature. [[User:V\|V]] ([[User talk:V\|talk]]) 03:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
		+	:I don't think if a charged thing that uses a grappling hook in order to move is too cool as it would most probably discharge its static electricity as soon as it tries to shoot the hook at anything. As a 2nd thought I perhaps would think about if it is fit useto be used as a weapon instead of using it as a rescue thingy, see [[2072:_Evaluating_Tech_Things]] [[User:Gunterkoenigsmann\|Gunterkoenigsmann]] ([[User talk:Gunterkoenigsmann\|talk]]) 15:56, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

	I thought I recognized [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_JcKSHUtQ&t=2m9s that stage.] [[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.95\|172.68.132.95]] 04:00, 26 March 2019 (UTC)		I thought I recognized [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_JcKSHUtQ&t=2m9s that stage.] [[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.95\|172.68.132.95]] 04:00, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

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 The (current) explanation completley misses the point of the one big advantage robots have for search and rescue missions. especially the search part: They often can access areas humans cannot for reasons such as temperature, space restrictions, safety, height/depth, radiation, etc. So especially for the search part it can be muc hbetter to send in a drone instead of a person. --[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo|talk]]) 07:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
-A drone is "much better" right up until you need to exert a force on something (clear some debris, open a door, drag the unconcious survivor out along the passage you've cleared...). At this point you need a wheeled, snake-like or multi-legged robot which can reasonably support and anchor itself, a situation where having lots of mass (prohibitve for drones) and hence plenty of momentum and/or inertia becomes an advantage.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.155.176|162.158.155.176]] 22:35, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
+:A drone is "much better" right up until you need to exert a force on something (clear some debris, open a door, drag the unconcious survivor out along the passage you've cleared...). At this point you need a wheeled, snake-like or multi-legged robot which can reasonably support and anchor itself, a situation where having lots of mass (prohibitve for drones) and hence plenty of momentum and/or inertia becomes an advantage.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.155.176|162.158.155.176]] 22:35, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 I'm on mobile and it is too awkward to fix up the current explanation, but it is completely off the mark.  The sphere is not a fragile balloon, this is why he didn't say balloon.  Engineers come up with robots because they are fun and impressive challenges to make, and it's really cool to make something that has never been made before, especially if it solves a hard problem or it replicates popular fictional media, but others don't understand this and wonder what all the effort is expended for.  Floating objects accumulate atmospheric charge relative to ground - this can be used as a weak power source and is the source of lightning.  [[Special:Contributions/172.69.50.10|172.69.50.10]] 11:52, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

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	The (current) explanation completley misses the point of the one big advantage robots have for search and rescue missions. especially the search part: They often can access areas humans cannot for reasons such as temperature, space restrictions, safety, height/depth, radiation, etc. So especially for the search part it can be muc hbetter to send in a drone instead of a person. --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 07:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)		The (current) explanation completley misses the point of the one big advantage robots have for search and rescue missions. especially the search part: They often can access areas humans cannot for reasons such as temperature, space restrictions, safety, height/depth, radiation, etc. So especially for the search part it can be muc hbetter to send in a drone instead of a person. --[[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo\|talk]]) 07:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
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		+	A drone is "much better" right up until you need to exert a force on something (clear some debris, open a door, drag the unconcious survivor out along the passage you've cleared...). At this point you need a wheeled, snake-like or multi-legged robot which can reasonably support and anchor itself, a situation where having lots of mass (prohibitve for drones) and hence plenty of momentum and/or inertia becomes an advantage.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.155.176\|162.158.155.176]] 22:35, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

	I'm on mobile and it is too awkward to fix up the current explanation, but it is completely off the mark. The sphere is not a fragile balloon, this is why he didn't say balloon. Engineers come up with robots because they are fun and impressive challenges to make, and it's really cool to make something that has never been made before, especially if it solves a hard problem or it replicates popular fictional media, but others don't understand this and wonder what all the effort is expended for. Floating objects accumulate atmospheric charge relative to ground - this can be used as a weak power source and is the source of lightning. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.50.10\|172.69.50.10]] 11:52, 26 March 2019 (UTC)		I'm on mobile and it is too awkward to fix up the current explanation, but it is completely off the mark. The sphere is not a fragile balloon, this is why he didn't say balloon. Engineers come up with robots because they are fun and impressive challenges to make, and it's really cool to make something that has never been made before, especially if it solves a hard problem or it replicates popular fictional media, but others don't understand this and wonder what all the effort is expended for. Floating objects accumulate atmospheric charge relative to ground - this can be used as a weak power source and is the source of lightning. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.50.10\|172.69.50.10]] 11:52, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

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	In complete agreement with ^^ about the fragile balloon. I'd say something more along the lines of "Impractical for the 'rescue' bit", but a sphere isn't necessarily fragile.		In complete agreement with ^^ about the fragile balloon. I'd say something more along the lines of "Impractical for the 'rescue' bit", but a sphere isn't necessarily fragile.
	[[User:Glassvein\|Glassvein]] ([[User talk:Glassvein\|talk]]) 02:52, 27 March 2019 (UTC)		[[User:Glassvein\|Glassvein]] ([[User talk:Glassvein\|talk]]) 02:52, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
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		+	It also states that the helium is a sphere -- "floats using a helium sphere" -- not that the helium is ''contained'' in a sphere. Seems there might be some considerable engineering challenges there, either to keep gaseous helium "attached" to the robot and to keep it from dissipating or to make and maintain a non-gaseous sphere of helium. Kinda difficult to have solid helium hanging around, for instance...

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	I'm on mobile and it is too awkward to fix up the current explanation, but it is completely off the mark. The sphere is not a fragile balloon, this is why he didn't say balloon. Engineers come up with robots because they are fun and impressive challenges to make, and it's really cool to make something that has never been made before, especially if it solves a hard problem or it replicates popular fictional media, but others don't understand this and wonder what all the effort is expended for. Floating objects accumulate atmospheric charge relative to ground - this can be used as a weak power source and is the source of lightning. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.50.10\|172.69.50.10]] 11:52, 26 March 2019 (UTC)		I'm on mobile and it is too awkward to fix up the current explanation, but it is completely off the mark. The sphere is not a fragile balloon, this is why he didn't say balloon. Engineers come up with robots because they are fun and impressive challenges to make, and it's really cool to make something that has never been made before, especially if it solves a hard problem or it replicates popular fictional media, but others don't understand this and wonder what all the effort is expended for. Floating objects accumulate atmospheric charge relative to ground - this can be used as a weak power source and is the source of lightning. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.50.10\|172.69.50.10]] 11:52, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
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		+	In complete agreement with ^^ about the fragile balloon. I'd say something more along the lines of "Impractical for the 'rescue' bit", but a sphere isn't necessarily fragile.
		+	[[User:Glassvein\|Glassvein]] ([[User talk:Glassvein\|talk]]) 02:52, 27 March 2019 (UTC)