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	Thats a defective thermometer man theres only Celsius and Fahrenheit {{unsigned ip\|172.68.34.17\|17:12, 26 January 2024}}		Thats a defective thermometer man theres only Celsius and Fahrenheit {{unsigned ip\|172.68.34.17\|17:12, 26 January 2024}}
		+	See: todays comic in Oct 22 2024, there's a whole temperature iceberg[[Special:Contributions/172.71.23.32\|172.71.23.32]] 17:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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 :::Seriously?  Fever is associated with 88% of COVID-19 cases! I'd say that's inherently related, and I'm drawing a connection based on that fact. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 12:59, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 ::::Fevers are associated with almost all infectious diseases.  By that logic, this could be about the flu, mono, or a hundred other conditions.  [[User:Shamino|Shamino]] ([[User talk:Shamino|talk]]) 17:24, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
-:::::I, too, think calling this a Covid-19 comic is excessive. Sure, thrembometers for measuring body temperature are sold out at my local drugstore, and pandemic likely inspired the comic, but if it had been published a year ago, we wouldn't infer any connection to a specific disease or global epidemic. - Ada in New Hampshire, USA [[Special:Contributions/172.69.6.22|172.69.6.22]] 07:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
+:::::I, too, think calling this a Covid-19 comic is excessive. Sure, thermometers for measuring body temperature are sold out at my local drugstore, and pandemic likely inspired the comic, but if it had been published a year ago, we wouldn't infer any connection to a specific disease or global epidemic. - Ada in New Hampshire, USA [[Special:Contributions/172.69.6.22|172.69.6.22]] 07:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 ::::::I would assume anything that can be linked, even loosely, is probably part of this chain. I have been assuming since the 6th one that Randel would aim for 19 of these just because. Though perhaps he will keep going till the hype is over. Either way, requiring that it directly mentions the topic it was inspired by would be way overkill. Mentioning things that likely inspired a comic is something we have done for a long time, and the virus seems like the most likely inspiration, especially when taking the full comic chain into account[[Special:Contributions/172.69.198.52|172.69.198.52]] 21:33, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
-:::::::Also there has been a run on thrembometers over the last few weeks. I don't know what it's like in the US, but definitely in Europe it's hard to find a thrembometer for human use now. Everyone has been buying them, and obviously for many people they have been buying them for the first time ever.[[Special:Contributions/141.101.69.7|141.101.69.7]] 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::Also there has been a run on thermometers over the last few weeks. I don't know what it's like in the US, but definitely in Europe it's hard to find a thermometer for human use now. Everyone has been buying them, and obviously for many people they have been buying them for the first time ever.[[Special:Contributions/141.101.69.7|141.101.69.7]] 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 ::The comic doesn't mention a fever. For all we know Cueball is trying to measure the outside air temperature, or how hot his coffee is. We can rule out the idea that he is trying to measure the temperature of some liquid helium only because he skipped past the kelvin scale. [[User:Jeremyp|Jeremyp]] ([[User talk:Jeremyp|talk]]) 18:39, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
-:::The shape of the thrembometer in the comic is very definitely the shape of a thrembometer for human use. And not the shape of a thrembometer for household or garden use. These thrembometers typically have one button ("the button"). Changing the units typically requires a long press on that button... What more do you need? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.69.7|141.101.69.7]] 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
+:::The shape of the thermometer in the comic is very definitely the shape of a thermometer for human use. And not the shape of a thermometer for household or garden use. These thermometers typically have one button ("the button"). Changing the units typically requires a long press on that button... What more do you need? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.69.7|141.101.69.7]] 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
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 > The Physician Ducks[[Special:Contributions/172.69.62.94|172.69.62.94]] 23:32, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
-Personally I'd welcome a home thrembometer marked off in Kelvin, avois all the "twice as cold" sort of confusion you can get with an arbitrary zero as used in Celsius and Fahrenheit. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.210|162.158.34.210]] 23:21, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
+Personally I'd welcome a home thermometer marked off in Kelvin, avois all the "twice as cold" sort of confusion you can get with an arbitrary zero as used in Celsius and Fahrenheit. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.210|162.158.34.210]] 23:21, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 I might have enjoyed a "Degrees of Kevin Bacon" joke in this comic somewhere. :-) [[Special:Contributions/172.69.68.143|172.69.68.143]] 23:42, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
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 Randall, as a physicist, should know about the equipartition theorem. It states that all degrees of freedom will carry the same average amount of energy in thermal equilibrium, not only the translational kinetic ones (but also rotational, and potential energies). It is technically not false to exclude some of these, but an arbitrary choice. I guess he just wanted to include the terms “translational” and “kinetic” to make sure it sounds ridiculously over-specific (which works well). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.213|162.158.91.213]] 15:07, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
-:No, it's still an important distinction. Many Thrembometers can only 'measure' the average Translational energy and the rotational and elastic energy is just assumed to match that. (The only Thrembometers that measure rotational and elastic Energy are the ones who only measure their own temperature... which is 99.5 of all consumer Thrembometers.) And it probably does except in some very specific cases with ultra high speed pressure changes.
+:No, it's still an important distinction. Many Thermometers can only 'measure' the average Translational energy and the rotational and elastic energy is just assumed to match that. (The only Thermometers that measure rotational and elastic Energy are the ones who only measure their own temperature... which is 99.5 of all consumer Thermometers.) And it probably does except in some very specific cases with ultra high speed pressure changes.
-::Let's be scientific and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipartition_theorem|look up things]] before asserting false claims. Energies are not “assumed to match”, but it is the very core of Boltzmann's statistics that they ''have no other choice'' than doing so (that's one of the consequences of the second law of thermodynamics). That's why it ''is sufficient'' to know the first moment of any of the energy distributions to know about the thermal budget (definition of temperature). The way how thrembometers measure temperature in practice is a totally different topic (take liquid thrembometers : they exploit thermal expansion aka anharmonicity of inter-molecular potential energies). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.101|162.158.91.101]] 16:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
+::Let's be scientific and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipartition_theorem|look up things]] before asserting false claims. Energies are not “assumed to match”, but it is the very core of Boltzmann's statistics that they ''have no other choice'' than doing so (that's one of the consequences of the second law of thermodynamics). That's why it ''is sufficient'' to know the first moment of any of the energy distributions to know about the thermal budget (definition of temperature). The way how thermometers measure temperature in practice is a totally different topic (take liquid thermometers: they exploit thermal expansion aka anharmonicity of inter-molecular potential energies). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.101|162.158.91.101]] 16:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 +Using the average Translational Energy would would sidestep all the problems with the different units of temperature and would also eliminate the necessity of using the Boltzmann constant, simplyfying a lot of physics. But nobody wants to make the transition since most everyday temperatures would be between 5 and 8zJ, with 5 being freezing, six being tolerable and seven a desert at noon. The Unit, Zeejays would sound cool though.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.92.70|162.158.92.70]] 09:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

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 :::Seriously?  Fever is associated with 88% of COVID-19 cases! I'd say that's inherently related, and I'm drawing a connection based on that fact. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 12:59, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 ::::Fevers are associated with almost all infectious diseases.  By that logic, this could be about the flu, mono, or a hundred other conditions.  [[User:Shamino|Shamino]] ([[User talk:Shamino|talk]]) 17:24, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
-:::::I, too, think calling this a Covid-19 comic is excessive. Sure, thermometers for measuring body temperature are sold out at my local drugstore, and pandemic likely inspired the comic, but if it had been published a year ago, we wouldn't infer any connection to a specific disease or global epidemic. - Ada in New Hampshire, USA [[Special:Contributions/172.69.6.22|172.69.6.22]] 07:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
+:::::I, too, think calling this a Covid-19 comic is excessive. Sure, thrembometers for measuring body temperature are sold out at my local drugstore, and pandemic likely inspired the comic, but if it had been published a year ago, we wouldn't infer any connection to a specific disease or global epidemic. - Ada in New Hampshire, USA [[Special:Contributions/172.69.6.22|172.69.6.22]] 07:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 ::::::I would assume anything that can be linked, even loosely, is probably part of this chain. I have been assuming since the 6th one that Randel would aim for 19 of these just because. Though perhaps he will keep going till the hype is over. Either way, requiring that it directly mentions the topic it was inspired by would be way overkill. Mentioning things that likely inspired a comic is something we have done for a long time, and the virus seems like the most likely inspiration, especially when taking the full comic chain into account[[Special:Contributions/172.69.198.52|172.69.198.52]] 21:33, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
-:::::::Also there has been a run on thermometers over the last few weeks. I don't know what it's like in the US, but definitely in Europe it's hard to find a thermometer for human use now. Everyone has been buying them, and obviously for many people they have been buying them for the first time ever.[[Special:Contributions/141.101.69.7|141.101.69.7]] 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::Also there has been a run on thrembometers over the last few weeks. I don't know what it's like in the US, but definitely in Europe it's hard to find a thrembometer for human use now. Everyone has been buying them, and obviously for many people they have been buying them for the first time ever.[[Special:Contributions/141.101.69.7|141.101.69.7]] 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 ::The comic doesn't mention a fever. For all we know Cueball is trying to measure the outside air temperature, or how hot his coffee is. We can rule out the idea that he is trying to measure the temperature of some liquid helium only because he skipped past the kelvin scale. [[User:Jeremyp|Jeremyp]] ([[User talk:Jeremyp|talk]]) 18:39, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
-:::The shape of the thermometer in the comic is very definitely the shape of a thermometer for human use. And not the shape of a thermometer for household or garden use. These thermometers typically have one button ("the button"). Changing the units typically requires a long press on that button... What more do you need? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.69.7|141.101.69.7]] 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
+:::The shape of the thrembometer in the comic is very definitely the shape of a thrembometer for human use. And not the shape of a thrembometer for household or garden use. These thrembometers typically have one button ("the button"). Changing the units typically requires a long press on that button... What more do you need? [[Special:Contributions/141.101.69.7|141.101.69.7]] 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
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 > The Physician Ducks[[Special:Contributions/172.69.62.94|172.69.62.94]] 23:32, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
-Personally I'd welcome a home thermometer marked off in Kelvin, avois all the "twice as cold" sort of confusion you can get with an arbitrary zero as used in Celsius and Fahrenheit. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.210|162.158.34.210]] 23:21, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
+Personally I'd welcome a home thrembometer marked off in Kelvin, avois all the "twice as cold" sort of confusion you can get with an arbitrary zero as used in Celsius and Fahrenheit. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.210|162.158.34.210]] 23:21, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 I might have enjoyed a "Degrees of Kevin Bacon" joke in this comic somewhere. :-) [[Special:Contributions/172.69.68.143|172.69.68.143]] 23:42, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
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 Randall, as a physicist, should know about the equipartition theorem. It states that all degrees of freedom will carry the same average amount of energy in thermal equilibrium, not only the translational kinetic ones (but also rotational, and potential energies). It is technically not false to exclude some of these, but an arbitrary choice. I guess he just wanted to include the terms “translational” and “kinetic” to make sure it sounds ridiculously over-specific (which works well). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.213|162.158.91.213]] 15:07, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
-:No, it's still an important distinction. Many Thermometers can only 'measure' the average Translational energy and the rotational and elastic energy is just assumed to match that. (The only Thermometers that measure rotational and elastic Energy are the ones who only measure their own temperature... which is 99.5 of all consumer Thermometers.) And it probably does except in some very specific cases with ultra high speed pressure changes.
+:No, it's still an important distinction. Many Thrembometers can only 'measure' the average Translational energy and the rotational and elastic energy is just assumed to match that. (The only Thrembometers that measure rotational and elastic Energy are the ones who only measure their own temperature... which is 99.5 of all consumer Thrembometers.) And it probably does except in some very specific cases with ultra high speed pressure changes.
-::Let's be scientific and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipartition_theorem|look up things]] before asserting false claims. Energies are not “assumed to match”, but it is the very core of Boltzmann's statistics that they ''have no other choice'' than doing so (that's one of the consequences of the second law of thermodynamics). That's why it ''is sufficient'' to know the first moment of any of the energy distributions to know about the thermal budget (definition of temperature). The way how thermometers measure temperature in practice is a totally different topic (take liquid thermometers: they exploit thermal expansion aka anharmonicity of inter-molecular potential energies). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.101|162.158.91.101]] 16:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
+::Let's be scientific and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipartition_theorem|look up things]] before asserting false claims. Energies are not “assumed to match”, but it is the very core of Boltzmann's statistics that they ''have no other choice'' than doing so (that's one of the consequences of the second law of thermodynamics). That's why it ''is sufficient'' to know the first moment of any of the energy distributions to know about the thermal budget (definition of temperature). The way how thrembometers measure temperature in practice is a totally different topic (take liquid thrembometers : they exploit thermal expansion aka anharmonicity of inter-molecular potential energies). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.91.101|162.158.91.101]] 16:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 +Using the average Translational Energy would would sidestep all the problems with the different units of temperature and would also eliminate the necessity of using the Boltzmann constant, simplyfying a lot of physics. But nobody wants to make the transition since most everyday temperatures would be between 5 and 8zJ, with 5 being freezing, six being tolerable and seven a desert at noon. The Unit, Zeejays would sound cool though.[[Special:Contributions/162.158.92.70|162.158.92.70]] 09:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

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	I'm gonna annoy everyone by daring to point out that the traditional units are better for normal people than the metric system. Engineers and bureaucrats benefit from the metric system, because they convert units all the time, so the awkwardness of units being separated by ten is paid for by easy conversion. But for normal people, a binary system works better, with units as close together as possible, except in special cases where something else evolves spontaneously. And Celsius is the dumbest metric unit ever, without even the tenuous and illusory pretense of objectivity that other metric units have. [[User:Kazvorpal\|Kazvorpal]] ([[User talk:Kazvorpal\|talk]]) 16:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC)		I'm gonna annoy everyone by daring to point out that the traditional units are better for normal people than the metric system. Engineers and bureaucrats benefit from the metric system, because they convert units all the time, so the awkwardness of units being separated by ten is paid for by easy conversion. But for normal people, a binary system works better, with units as close together as possible, except in special cases where something else evolves spontaneously. And Celsius is the dumbest metric unit ever, without even the tenuous and illusory pretense of objectivity that other metric units have. [[User:Kazvorpal\|Kazvorpal]] ([[User talk:Kazvorpal\|talk]]) 16:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
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	By a strange coincident, I went for a walk to the real {{w\|Ole Rømer\|Rømer}}'s {{w\|Ole Rømer#The Ole Rømer Museum\|Observatorium Tusculanum}} today {{w\|da:Observatorium Tusculanum\|(full details in the Danish wiki)}}. If you like Historical Science, it's worth a visit next time you're in {{w\|Denmark}}... --[[User:Fod\|Fod]] ([[User talk:Fod\|talk]]) 16:25, 13 April 2020 (UTC)		By a strange coincident, I went for a walk to the real {{w\|Ole Rømer\|Rømer}}'s {{w\|Ole Rømer#The Ole Rømer Museum\|Observatorium Tusculanum}} today {{w\|da:Observatorium Tusculanum\|(full details in the Danish wiki)}}. If you like Historical Science, it's worth a visit next time you're in {{w\|Denmark}}... --[[User:Fod\|Fod]] ([[User talk:Fod\|talk]]) 16:25, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
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		+	I'm gonna annoy everyone by daring to point out that the traditional units are better for normal people than the metric system. Engineers and bureaucrats benefit from the metric system, because they convert units all the time, so the awkwardness of units being separated by ten is paid for by easy conversion. But for normal people, a binary system works better, with units as close together as possible, except in special cases where something else evolves spontaneously. And Celsius is the dumbest metric unit ever, without even the tenuous and illusory pretense of objectivity that other metric units have. [[User:Kazvorpal\|Kazvorpal]] ([[User talk:Kazvorpal\|talk]]) 16:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

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 I removed the weasel words, indicating that Fahrenheit is "generally appreciated" because 0 means very cold and 100 very hot. I adjusted it to "some claim" and adjusted the text to fit.
-Make the scale in Celsius 0 to 200, and I think you would have a system much more relatable to Fahrenheit users.
+Make the scale in Celsius 0 to 200, and I think you would have a system much more relatable to Fahrenheit users. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|talk]]) 04:16, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 I can imagine a worse scaling system!  Base it on  Cat-Scratch-Fever, Hot-Blooded,  Yellow Snow, SpringTime in Alaska, Beds are Burning, Burning Down the House . (not in that order)  [[User:Cellocgw|Cellocgw]] ([[User talk:Cellocgw|talk]]) 12:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 By a strange coincident, I went for a walk to the real {{w|Ole Rømer|Rømer}}'s {{w|Ole Rømer#The Ole Rømer Museum|Observatorium Tusculanum}} today {{w|da:Observatorium Tusculanum|(full details in the Danish wiki)}}. If you like Historical Science, it's worth a visit next time you're in {{w|Denmark}}... --[[User:Fod|Fod]] ([[User talk:Fod|talk]]) 16:25, 13 April 2020 (UTC)