Talk:2301: Turtle Sandwich Standard Model - Revision history

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Stevage: width

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162.158.238.4 at 04:56, 4 May 2020

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IByte: no turtles or sandwiches on Standard Model

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no turtles or sandwiches on Standard Model

108.162.215.206: inversion

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	tl;dr: The joke makes perfect sense in theoretical particle physics. This type of diagram is common in extending the Standard Model (which is definitely incomplete) to a larger symmetry group like E(5).		tl;dr: The joke makes perfect sense in theoretical particle physics. This type of diagram is common in extending the Standard Model (which is definitely incomplete) to a larger symmetry group like E(5).
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		+	:I'm pretty sure the factoring comment is satirizing the people who think it is about genetics. [[User:Probably not Douglas Hofstadter\|Probably not Douglas Hofstadter]] ([[User talk:Probably not Douglas Hofstadter\|talk]]) 05:13, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

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	Seeing the turtle without a shell between the two slices of bread in the grid reminds me of the other old question regarding turtles: If a turtle has lost its shell, is it homeless or naked? [[User:RAGBRAIvet\|RAGBRAIvet]] ([[User talk:RAGBRAIvet\|talk]]) 05:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)		Seeing the turtle without a shell between the two slices of bread in the grid reminds me of the other old question regarding turtles: If a turtle has lost its shell, is it homeless or naked? [[User:RAGBRAIvet\|RAGBRAIvet]] ([[User talk:RAGBRAIvet\|talk]]) 05:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
		+	: A turtle without its shell is spineless. [[User:Rtanenbaum\|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum\|talk]]) 20:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
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		+	I think the commentary is missing a main point. If you you hold a turtle in one hand and a sandwich in the other, you cannot help but notice the similar structure. In fact you can find two kinds of pictures of "Turtle Sandwich" on the internet. [http://recipes-plus.com/recipe/turtle-sandwiches-kids-30062 Sandwich made to look like a turtle.] or a [https://funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/203070/I/ turtle made to look like a sandwich.] So the question becomes, which of these is the "standard model". Which then opens us up to a pun on the "standard model" from quantum physics. [[User:Rtanenbaum\|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum\|talk]]) 20:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

	The linked page on the [[wikipedia:Standard Model\|Standard Model]] doesn't say anything about either turtles or sandwiches, so I think some more explanation on that part is welcome. --[[User:IByte\|IByte]] ([[User talk:IByte\|talk]]) 10:54, 3 May 2020 (UTC)		The linked page on the [[wikipedia:Standard Model\|Standard Model]] doesn't say anything about either turtles or sandwiches, so I think some more explanation on that part is welcome. --[[User:IByte\|IByte]] ([[User talk:IByte\|talk]]) 10:54, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

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 Outside of anything scientific, I think it's also referring to the memetic "Is a BLANK a sandwich?" debate (normally a hotdog or a calzone) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.107.84|141.101.107.84]] 18:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 :The big debate, surely, is orientation. If I prepare (say) some chicken-breast in some sort of marinade, and then half-toast some bread (half-way ''towards'' toasting, not one-sidedly; I put the slices in the toaster but manually eject them when it makes a click which equates to roughly half way to the dialled-in toasting degree, at least on my old toaster) then lightly butter(/non-dairy spread) them and use them to sandwich the chicken, but with a slice of cheese atop the chicken, then it tastes nice.  If, during consumption or just moving the construct to a plate, I end up inverting it so it's bread/chicken/cheese/bread from top to bottom (happens when passed from hand to hand, I think, between picking up and alighting anew) it tastes... still nice, but ''different''. Yes, the tongue is set only below the route the sandwich takes, but I'm not sure that accounts for it (experiments while inverting myself, with or without inverting the sandwich, are yet to be trialled without other factors going uncontrolled). However, it does mean that a sandwich cannot be assumed to have a reflective or rotational symmetry in the horizontal plane or any horizontal axis, which is the usual bar quoted against the smörgåsbord... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.142|162.158.159.142]] 01:35, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 : Try inverting your tongue and see what effect that has.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.215.206|108.162.215.206]] 06:36, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

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	:: The issue only affects the non-Retina/HiDPI version. On a high res screen, the 2x image is loaded with a width of 624px. On a normal res screen, the regular image is loaded with a width of 4682px. [[User:Stevage\|Stevage]] ([[User talk:Stevage\|talk]]) 10:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)		:: The issue only affects the non-Retina/HiDPI version. On a high res screen, the 2x image is loaded with a width of 624px. On a normal res screen, the regular image is loaded with a width of 4682px. [[User:Stevage\|Stevage]] ([[User talk:Stevage\|talk]]) 10:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
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		+	Meanwhile, C++ programmers are waiting to see where to position MockTurtle on the diagram (with no apologies whatsoever to Lewis Carroll)[[User:Cellocgw\|Cellocgw]] ([[User talk:Cellocgw\|talk]]) 16:48, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

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 Perhaps we can find some clues at [[2251]].  (That's what this reminded me of, anyway.) —[[User:Scs|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs|talk]]) 12:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 Why is it big now? Is it just big for me? Anyone else seeing this? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.187.205|162.158.187.205]] 04:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
-I can see it too.
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-https://web.archive.org/web/20200504044811/https://xkcd.com/2301/
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 https://web.archive.org/web/20200504044520/https://xkcd.com/  --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.238.4|162.158.238.4]] 04:56, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

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	Perhaps we can find some clues at [[2251]]. (That's what this reminded me of, anyway.) —[[User:Scs\|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs\|talk]]) 12:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)		Perhaps we can find some clues at [[2251]]. (That's what this reminded me of, anyway.) —[[User:Scs\|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs\|talk]]) 12:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
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	The linked page on the [[wikipedia:Standard Model\|Standard Model]] doesn't say anything about either turtles or sandwiches, so I think some more explanation on that part is welcome. --[[User:IByte\|IByte]] ([[User talk:IByte\|talk]]) 10:54, 3 May 2020 (UTC)		The linked page on the [[wikipedia:Standard Model\|Standard Model]] doesn't say anything about either turtles or sandwiches, so I think some more explanation on that part is welcome. --[[User:IByte\|IByte]] ([[User talk:IByte\|talk]]) 10:54, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
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		+	Perhaps we can find some clues at [[2251]]. (That's what this reminded me of, anyway.) —[[User:Scs\|Scs]] ([[User talk:Scs\|talk]]) 12:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

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	Seeing the turtle without a shell between the two slices of bread in the grid reminds me of the other old question regarding turtles: If a turtle has lost its shell, is it homeless or naked? [[User:RAGBRAIvet\|RAGBRAIvet]] ([[User talk:RAGBRAIvet\|talk]]) 05:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)		Seeing the turtle without a shell between the two slices of bread in the grid reminds me of the other old question regarding turtles: If a turtle has lost its shell, is it homeless or naked? [[User:RAGBRAIvet\|RAGBRAIvet]] ([[User talk:RAGBRAIvet\|talk]]) 05:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
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		+	The linked page on the [[wikipedia:Standard Model\|Standard Model]] doesn't say anything about either turtles or sandwiches, so I think some more explanation on that part is welcome. --[[User:IByte\|IByte]] ([[User talk:IByte\|talk]]) 10:54, 3 May 2020 (UTC)