Talk:2400: Statistics - Revision history

162.158.203.25: biontech/pfizer study link

2021-01-19T09:11:37Z

biontech/pfizer study link

172.69.248.144: Quoted from study.

2020-12-21T18:12:57Z

Quoted from study.

162.158.74.247 at 06:46, 20 December 2020

2020-12-20T06:46:49Z

162.158.75.38: Removed link to a PDF copy of Tufte’s book. Not cool. Support creators by not pirating.

2020-12-19T21:10:34Z

Removed link to a PDF copy of Tufte’s book. Not cool. Support creators by not pirating.

172.69.63.135 at 08:28, 19 December 2020

2020-12-19T08:28:30Z

Barmar at 05:00, 19 December 2020

2020-12-19T05:00:26Z

Mperrotta: Add note about failed image upload

2020-12-19T03:56:20Z

Add note about failed image upload

Hkmaly at 03:55, 19 December 2020

2020-12-19T03:55:42Z

108.162.237.216 at 03:20, 19 December 2020

2020-12-19T03:20:15Z

DarkVex9 at 01:05, 19 December 2020

2020-12-19T01:05:03Z

@@ Line 1: / Line 1: @@
 <!--Please sign your posts with ~~~~ and don't delete this text. New comments should be added at the bottom.-->
 This is a representation of the actual graph showing the efficacy of the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine, based on data from Deutsche Bank AG and the FDA as published in John Authers' Bloomberg Opinion column.  And yes, the results are just that clear and graphically obvious (pun unintended). [[User:RAGBRAIvet|RAGBRAIvet]] ([[User talk:RAGBRAIvet|talk]]) 00:51, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 :So, the value on bottom right of the graph ... is it three days? -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 03:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 18:12, 21 December 2020
Line 15:		Line 15:

	In the kinds of statistical analyses I have been involved with, this is what's called a "bridge of the nose" analysis. It hits you right between the eyes. Roll on science. (brad)		In the kinds of statistical analyses I have been involved with, this is what's called a "bridge of the nose" analysis. It hits you right between the eyes. Roll on science. (brad)
		+
		+	Interestingly, the "Statistical Analysis" section of the cited study reads, in its entirety: "No formal statistical hypothesis was tested in this study and all results were descriptive." Even they went by the "hot damn check out this chart" test. Anyhow, is that notable enough to put somewhere in the explanation? [[Special:Contributions/172.69.248.144\|172.69.248.144]] 18:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 06:46, 20 December 2020
Line 13:		Line 13:
	I dispute that graphs are only a way of visualizing data; this graph is actually the platonic graph talked about in a textbook about graphs which funnily I found on xkcd. tldr: a good graph makes the truth obvious. This is everything working out as it should be.		I dispute that graphs are only a way of visualizing data; this graph is actually the platonic graph talked about in a textbook about graphs which funnily I found on xkcd. tldr: a good graph makes the truth obvious. This is everything working out as it should be.
	[[Special:Contributions/172.69.63.135\|172.69.63.135]] 08:28, 19 December 2020 (UTC)		[[Special:Contributions/172.69.63.135\|172.69.63.135]] 08:28, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
		+
		+	In the kinds of statistical analyses I have been involved with, this is what's called a "bridge of the nose" analysis. It hits you right between the eyes. Roll on science. (brad)

@@ Line 8: / Line 8: @@
 https://youtu.be/qP07oyFTRXc?t=292
 [[User:DarkVex9|DarkVex9]] ([[User talk:DarkVex9|talk]]) 01:05, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
+'''Bold text'''
 The graph really is a scientist's dream. It's so pretty that I had to add it to the explanation, but I'm not sure my upload worked (permissions?). Someone should screen grab fig 2 from [https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download the FDA briefing] and add it. [[User:Mperrotta|Mperrotta]] ([[User talk:Mperrotta|talk]]) 03:56, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 I dispute that graphs are only a way of visualizing data; this graph is actually the platonic graph talked about in a textbook about graphs which funnily I found on xkcd. tldr: a good graph makes the truth obvious. This is everything working out as it should be.
 [[Special:Contributions/172.69.63.135|172.69.63.135]] 08:28, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 08:28, 19 December 2020
Line 10:		Line 10:

	The graph really is a scientist's dream. It's so pretty that I had to add it to the explanation, but I'm not sure my upload worked (permissions?). Someone should screen grab fig 2 from [https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download the FDA briefing] and add it. [[User:Mperrotta\|Mperrotta]] ([[User talk:Mperrotta\|talk]]) 03:56, 19 December 2020 (UTC)		The graph really is a scientist's dream. It's so pretty that I had to add it to the explanation, but I'm not sure my upload worked (permissions?). Someone should screen grab fig 2 from [https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download the FDA briefing] and add it. [[User:Mperrotta\|Mperrotta]] ([[User talk:Mperrotta\|talk]]) 03:56, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
		+
		+	I dispute that graphs are only a way of visualizing data; this graph is actually the platonic graph talked about in a textbook about graphs which funnily I found on xkcd. tldr: a good graph makes the truth obvious. This is everything working out as it should be.
		+	http://faculty.salisbury.edu/~jtanderson/teaching/cosc311/fa20/files/tufte.pdf
		+	[[Special:Contributions/172.69.63.135\|172.69.63.135]] 08:28, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 05:00, 19 December 2020
Line 3:		Line 3:

	:So, the value on bottom right of the graph ... is it three days? -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 03:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)		:So, the value on bottom right of the graph ... is it three days? -- [[User:Hkmaly\|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly\|talk]]) 03:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
		+	::The corresponding graph in the FDA report covers about 100 days. [[User:Barmar\|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar\|talk]]) 05:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

	When I saw this comic I immediately thought of this bit about doublespeak in graphs. Not saying I inherently believe or disbelieve numbers/statistics about covid but an impressive graph with no numbers...Apparently it is actually that clear though.		When I saw this comic I immediately thought of this bit about doublespeak in graphs. Not saying I inherently believe or disbelieve numbers/statistics about covid but an impressive graph with no numbers...Apparently it is actually that clear though.

← Older revision		Revision as of 03:56, 19 December 2020
Line 7:		Line 7:
	https://youtu.be/qP07oyFTRXc?t=292		https://youtu.be/qP07oyFTRXc?t=292
	[[User:DarkVex9\|DarkVex9]] ([[User talk:DarkVex9\|talk]]) 01:05, 19 December 2020 (UTC)		[[User:DarkVex9\|DarkVex9]] ([[User talk:DarkVex9\|talk]]) 01:05, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
		+
		+	The graph really is a scientist's dream. It's so pretty that I had to add it to the explanation, but I'm not sure my upload worked (permissions?). Someone should screen grab fig 2 from [https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download the FDA briefing] and add it. [[User:Mperrotta\|Mperrotta]] ([[User talk:Mperrotta\|talk]]) 03:56, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 01:05, 19 December 2020
Line 1:		Line 1:
	<!--Please sign your posts with ~~~~ and don't delete this text. New comments should be added at the bottom.-->		<!--Please sign your posts with ~~~~ and don't delete this text. New comments should be added at the bottom.-->
	This is a representation of the actual graph showing the efficacy of the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine, based on data from Deutsche Bank AG and the FDA as published in John Authers' Bloomberg Opinion column. And yes, the results are just that clear and graphically obvious (pun unintended). [[User:RAGBRAIvet\|RAGBRAIvet]] ([[User talk:RAGBRAIvet\|talk]]) 00:51, 19 December 2020 (UTC)		This is a representation of the actual graph showing the efficacy of the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine, based on data from Deutsche Bank AG and the FDA as published in John Authers' Bloomberg Opinion column. And yes, the results are just that clear and graphically obvious (pun unintended). [[User:RAGBRAIvet\|RAGBRAIvet]] ([[User talk:RAGBRAIvet\|talk]]) 00:51, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
		+
		+	When I saw this comic I immediately thought of this bit about doublespeak in graphs. Not saying I inherently believe or disbelieve numbers/statistics but an impressive graph with no numbers...Apparently it is actually that clear though.
		+	https://youtu.be/qP07oyFTRXc?t=292
		+	[[User:DarkVex9\|DarkVex9]] ([[User talk:DarkVex9\|talk]]) 01:05, 19 December 2020 (UTC)