Talk:2679: Quantified Self - Revision history

172.70.90.230 at 12:06, 14 November 2023

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172.71.182.49 at 09:34, 14 November 2023

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172.70.200.140 at 12:42, 5 July 2023

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Florian F at 00:11, 8 October 2022

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Florian F at 23:32, 7 October 2022

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172.70.90.245: Rearranged top-postings so that it is ordered more properly.

2022-10-05T09:50:16Z

Rearranged top-postings so that it is ordered more properly.

Divad27182: what you really get entangled with

2022-10-05T03:18:40Z

what you really get entangled with

162.158.166.233 at 15:34, 4 October 2022

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172.70.85.49: doh!

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doh!

172.70.85.49 at 14:46, 4 October 2022

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 ::::But that's just my interpretation. Thread-line obsessions probably come in various flavours and twists (can a thread-line knot about itself? And, insofar as the car example, is it basically forced to stay 'loose' but looped under the car as it drives, at least until enough of the car's wheels lose contact with the ground due to excessive speed over a humped bridge or even speedbump?) and I can't speak for all of them, but my reasonable (FCVO 'reasonable') assessment suggests that there are get outs ''and'' constraints that might be more universal than not. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.48|172.70.91.48]] 01:47, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 :::::I was taking other people into account, as if everyone's "thread" was laid on the ground at their time of passage and if someone laid their thread over mine before I could come back they'd be entangled (the solution being to cross back ahead of the person so that their thread is both time over mine and they don't get entangled, or wait for them to come back before crossing back, although if they entangled their own thread in  the meantime then that wouldn't work). I don't remember ever worrying about cars though, probably they could just drive over the thread and didn't have any thread of their own.--[[Special:Contributions/172.71.182.49|172.71.182.49]] 09:34, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 :The xkcd [[100: Family Circus]] seems relevant enough and readers can go to that page for an explanation of "Billy paths" and the OCD connection. [[User:Mrob27|Mrob27]] ([[User talk:Mrob27|talk]]) 00:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

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 ::::The car is trivial, in comparison, as we ''know'' it drives away in the posited scenario (and within the duration of the scenario). Even if our mental thread-pull does not allow us to tug it under the firmly ground-planted tyres, by reducing to periods of instaniousness as the 'trapped' thread is then rolled over (and even more tightly trapped, without violating the 'through solid matter' issue) you reach a point where it is now rolled ''off'' of (no longer underneath the car at all) so you can consider it untrapped. Unlike any thread that was threaded in through the driver's side door but out again through the passenger-side one, which traps loops completely (except for convertables, of course, or if Black Hat subsequently does a more width-wise [[562: Parking|version of the "cut'n'shut", with or without the "shut" bit]].
 ::::But that's just my interpretation. Thread-line obsessions probably come in various flavours and twists (can a thread-line knot about itself? And, insofar as the car example, is it basically forced to stay 'loose' but looped under the car as it drives, at least until enough of the car's wheels lose contact with the ground due to excessive speed over a humped bridge or even speedbump?) and I can't speak for all of them, but my reasonable (FCVO 'reasonable') assessment suggests that there are get outs ''and'' constraints that might be more universal than not. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.48|172.70.91.48]] 01:47, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 :The xkcd [[100: Family Circus]] seems relevant enough and readers can go to that page for an explanation of "Billy paths" and the OCD connection. [[User:Mrob27|Mrob27]] ([[User talk:Mrob27|talk]]) 00:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

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 :: I definitely am also someone who always played it your way, the reverse XKCD. My cats play it straight though, running into the house, through, and out a different entrance repeatedly one day, then the other way the day after. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.210.45|172.68.210.45]] 19:35, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 :::Yeah, I was always trying to avoid "entangling" my path as well. I suppose it's not just nightmares that can be "oddly universal"--childhood superstitious compulsions might be the same way, at least among the nerd population! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.174.41|172.70.174.41]] 00:07, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
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 ::::::::What is clear is that you need to tailor your description in a very abstract way to make it look related.  The context is completely different.  And the reference to google maps doesn't explain any part of the comic strip.  [[User:Florian F|Florian F]] ([[User talk:Florian F|talk]]) 11:53, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 :::::::::All of the things in that Google blog post involve the quantified self as a central idea, not just the maps part. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.166.125|162.158.166.125]] 21:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 :I think you're way off. I don't see any hint that it's about OCD. If it's similar to the condition you referenced, it's just a coincidence. The whole thing needs to be started from scratch. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.105|108.162.221.105]] 20:41, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 ::That is why this site exists.  To explain things you don't see.  I don't think many people are familiar with this compulsion about an imaginary string retracing your path in space, but when you are, it is spot on. [[User:Florian F|Florian F]] ([[User talk:Florian F|talk]]) 23:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

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 :I was going to guess sorting Google Maps Directions by sustainability announced this past Wednesday. https://blog.google/products/search/new-ways-to-make-more-sustainable-choices/ [[Special:Contributions/172.69.134.17|172.69.134.17]] 18:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 ::How is this comic about optimizing for sustainability?
-:::It is about optimizing a particular attribute of maps directions. Sustainability is the most recent such attribute announced (two days prior to the comic) by a top-3 commerical maps directions provider. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.214.183|172.70.214.183]] 06:04, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
+:::It is about optimizing a particular attribute of maps directions. Sustainability is the most recent such attribute announced (two days prior to the comic) by a top-3 commercial maps directions provider. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.214.183|172.70.214.183]] 06:04, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 :::: Google optimizes paths for distance and time for a long time already.  The announcement is about optimizing for fuel efficiency instead.  The comic clearly speaks about measuring distance but not about fuel consumption.
 :::: The comic also insists on the topological features of constructions, namely whether there is a hole.  This has nothing to do with fuel efficiency.  And how does pulling a string taut measure fuel efficiency?  I don't understand.
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 ::That is why this site exists.  To explain things you don't see.  I don't think many people are familiar with this compulsion about an imaginary string retracing your path in space, but when you are, it is spot on. [[User:Florian F|Florian F]] ([[User talk:Florian F|talk]]) 23:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 :::I agree that this comic has nothing to do with OCD just because some people with OCD feels like they have a string attached. Randall is not saying he has a string just that he finds it funny to make these kind of calculations for what his path of the day have been. I agree with those in favor of deleting any reference to OCD from the explanation. Maybe someone with OCD wrote the current one? ;-) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 13:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 GOOMHR![https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GOOMHR] - Although for me it was the opposite aim. I've had periods of time when I wouldn't even like (if I noticed, I wasn't like OCD or anything[1]!!!) to make a return journey that meant I even crossed the road at a different point and thus passed under a different telegraph wire between a different set of adjacent poles, on the presumption that if I were to 'retract my path' then it would be irrevocably looped around at least one telegraph poles. (But normal lamp-posts were Ok... the path-'string' could just pass over and around the top and continue to retract. And it could pass above/below anything movable like cars, people, etc.) My ideal would be to be topologically contracted to zero length. Nut I wasn't actually obsessed by it, just... sometimes noticed when I was forced to do something that would cause such 'problems' and might deliberately ensure that any such loop was fully reversed (in strict reverse order to any such transit adding them in) ''if at all possible''. Of course, once it was spoilt by one end of the journey being held by a loop, the rest didn't matter so much. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.34.71|162.158.34.71]] 18:21, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

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 This could also be a call back to the Billy Path comics run in Family Circus.  I don't have time today to add that research though. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.214.59|172.70.214.59]] 16:00, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 Here is an explanation of what it is about
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 ::::::::What is clear is that you need to tailor your description in a very abstract way to make it look related.  The context is completely different.  And the reference to google maps doesn't explain any part of the comic strip.  [[User:Florian F|Florian F]] ([[User talk:Florian F|talk]]) 11:53, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 :::::::::All of the things in that Google blog post involve the quantified self as a central idea, not just the maps part. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.166.125|162.158.166.125]] 21:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 :I think you're way off. I don't see any hint that it's about OCD. If it's similar to the condition you referenced, it's just a coincidence. The whole thing needs to be started from scratch. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.105|108.162.221.105]] 20:41, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 ::That is why this site exists.  To explain things you don't see.  I don't think many people are familiar with this compulsion about an imaginary string retracing your path in space, but when you are, it is spot on. [[User:Florian F|Florian F]] ([[User talk:Florian F|talk]]) 23:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
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 ::::The car is trivial, in comparison, as we ''know'' it drives away in the posited scenario (and within the duration of the scenario). Even if our mental thread-pull does not allow us to tug it under the firmly ground-planted tyres, by reducing to periods of instaniousness as the 'trapped' thread is then rolled over (and even more tightly trapped, without violating the 'through solid matter' issue) you reach a point where it is now rolled ''off'' of (no longer underneath the car at all) so you can consider it untrapped. Unlike any thread that was threaded in through the driver's side door but out again through the passenger-side one, which traps loops completely (except for convertables, of course, or if Black Hat subsequently does a more width-wise [[562: Parking|version of the "cut'n'shut", with or without the "shut" bit]].
 ::::But that's just my interpretation. Thread-line obsessions probably come in various flavours and twists (can a thread-line knot about itself? And, insofar as the car example, is it basically forced to stay 'loose' but looped under the car as it drives, at least until enough of the car's wheels lose contact with the ground due to excessive speed over a humped bridge or even speedbump?) and I can't speak for all of them, but my reasonable (FCVO 'reasonable') assessment suggests that there are get outs ''and'' constraints that might be more universal than not. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.48|172.70.91.48]] 01:47, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
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 ::::<nowiki>*</nowiki> – not quite right, knitting machines don't loop-through the same as a sewing-machine's second thread does, or dodge in and out and round like a loom's shuttle around the warps, but there's probably some single-thread fabrication technique that truly knots like a ferris-wheel might do if you were to feed it an appropriate cord.
 :::For no-hoop ferris-wheels, something like can be seen [https://www.google.com/search?q=kids+small+mini-wheel+ride+coin+operated here] would work. (Though with the multi-car designs the question is whether you count/mind/endure your invisible-thread possibly being braided up with other riders' invisible-threads, like a rope-making machine does.) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.49|172.70.85.49]] 14:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 I thought about this today driving to the supermarket.

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	::::<nowiki>*</nowiki> – not quite right, knitting machines don't loop-through the same as a sewing-machine's second thread does, or dodge in and out and round like a loom's shuttle around the warps, but there's probably some single-thread fabrication technique that truly knots like a ferris-wheel might do if you were to feed it an appropriate cord.		::::<nowiki>*</nowiki> – not quite right, knitting machines don't loop-through the same as a sewing-machine's second thread does, or dodge in and out and round like a loom's shuttle around the warps, but there's probably some single-thread fabrication technique that truly knots like a ferris-wheel might do if you were to feed it an appropriate cord.
	:::For no-hoop ferris-wheels, something like can be seen [https://www.google.com/search?q=kids+small+mini-wheel+ride+coin+operated here] would work. (Though with the multi-car designs the question is whether you count/mind/endure your invisible-thread possibly being braided up with other riders' invisible-threads, like a rope-making machine does.) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.49\|172.70.85.49]] 14:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)		:::For no-hoop ferris-wheels, something like can be seen [https://www.google.com/search?q=kids+small+mini-wheel+ride+coin+operated here] would work. (Though with the multi-car designs the question is whether you count/mind/endure your invisible-thread possibly being braided up with other riders' invisible-threads, like a rope-making machine does.) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.49\|172.70.85.49]] 14:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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		+	I thought about this today driving to the supermarket.
		+	Bridge and sign are nothing!
		+	The thing you really get entangled with are all the electrical wires
		+	from telephone poles to the opposite side of the road.
		+	[[User:Divad27182\|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182\|talk]]) 03:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

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		+	... I also did exactly this [[Special:Contributions/162.158.166.233\|162.158.166.233]] 15:34, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

	Cueball makes 2.5 loops of the house, not 2 as in the explanation - 3 passes of the interior, and 2 of the exterior.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.48\|172.70.91.48]] 08:19, 4 October 2022 (UTC)		Cueball makes 2.5 loops of the house, not 2 as in the explanation - 3 passes of the interior, and 2 of the exterior.[[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.48\|172.70.91.48]] 08:19, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

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 ::: And 'hungunder' baskets rotate around the pivot to the wheel's circumference which (by making your frame of reference stationary to the wheel) continually loop round and through the wheel-rim, being a wheel-axle/wheel-structure-basket-axle loop that the passengers additionally tangle round and through (once per ride rotation), like some sort of demented knitting-machine* crossed with a crazy bread-mixer.
 ::::<nowiki>*</nowiki> – not quite right, knitting machines don't loop-through the same as a sewing-machine's second thread does, or dodge in and out and round like a loom's shuttle around the warps, but there's probably some single-thread fabrication technique that truly knots like a ferris-wheel might do if you were to feed it an appropriate cord.
-:::For no-hoop ferris-wheels, something like can be seen [https://www.google.com/search?q=kids+small+mini-wheel+ride+coin+operated here would work. (Though with the multi-car designs the question is whether you count/mind/endure your invisible-thread possibly being braided up with other riders' invisible-threads, like a rope-making machine does.) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.49|172.70.85.49]] 14:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
+:::For no-hoop ferris-wheels, something like can be seen [https://www.google.com/search?q=kids+small+mini-wheel+ride+coin+operated here] would work. (Though with the multi-car designs the question is whether you count/mind/endure your invisible-thread possibly being braided up with other riders' invisible-threads, like a rope-making machine does.) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.49|172.70.85.49]] 14:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

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	:You ''could'' design a threading-free 'wheel', even multi-turn, but almost every example built without such considerations (all of them?) will provide at least one 'tunnel', probably more, whether wanted/desired or unwanted/undesirable for your mental or virtual thread-tracking purposes. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.98.97\|172.71.98.97]] 14:59, 3 October 2022 (UTC)		:You ''could'' design a threading-free 'wheel', even multi-turn, but almost every example built without such considerations (all of them?) will provide at least one 'tunnel', probably more, whether wanted/desired or unwanted/undesirable for your mental or virtual thread-tracking purposes. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.98.97\|172.71.98.97]] 14:59, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
	::Oh, I hadn't considered the "foot" of the ferris wheel at all, that is indeed clever. It is still hard to visualize, but if you ignore that the wheel exists at all and just thread the "string" between four feet and around a central spoke, it would indeed work out like this. Thank you! You can mentally reshape the ferris wheel to be a table or a horse, it becomes a lot more obvious. [[User:Maplestrip\|Maplestrip]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip\|talk]]) 13:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)		::Oh, I hadn't considered the "foot" of the ferris wheel at all, that is indeed clever. It is still hard to visualize, but if you ignore that the wheel exists at all and just thread the "string" between four feet and around a central spoke, it would indeed work out like this. Thank you! You can mentally reshape the ferris wheel to be a table or a horse, it becomes a lot more obvious. [[User:Maplestrip\|Maplestrip]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip\|talk]]) 13:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
		+	:::Not even ''four'' feet (although A-frame supports could give additional 'side doors' to entangle through, if you enter one side and exit the other, going through the splayed beams mak8ng up each vertical side), imagine some American-jive/Lindihop(sp?) dance move where the gal gets swung under the guy's legs. And possibly over his head and through them again in the more energetic dance-moves! Until/unless he lifts his feet, her 'life-thread-path' is wrapped around the ground-loop he forms.
		+	::: And 'hungunder' baskets rotate around the pivot to the wheel's circumference which (by making your frame of reference stationary to the wheel) continually loop round and through the wheel-rim, being a wheel-axle/wheel-structure-basket-axle loop that the passengers additionally tangle round and through (once per ride rotation), like some sort of demented knitting-machine* crossed with a crazy bread-mixer.
		+	::::<nowiki>*</nowiki> – not quite right, knitting machines don't loop-through the same as a sewing-machine's second thread does, or dodge in and out and round like a loom's shuttle around the warps, but there's probably some single-thread fabrication technique that truly knots like a ferris-wheel might do if you were to feed it an appropriate cord.
		+	:::For no-hoop ferris-wheels, something like can be seen [https://www.google.com/search?q=kids+small+mini-wheel+ride+coin+operated here would work. (Though with the multi-car designs the question is whether you count/mind/endure your invisible-thread possibly being braided up with other riders' invisible-threads, like a rope-making machine does.) [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.49\|172.70.85.49]] 14:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)