Talk:2848: Breaker Box - Revision history

L-Space Traveler at 15:06, 3 December 2023

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172.68.174.233 at 22:18, 12 November 2023

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AdmiralMemo: The Mystery Switch

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The Mystery Switch

172.70.131.6: Acoustic nitpick

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Acoustic nitpick

172.69.194.70 at 14:31, 2 November 2023

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172.70.127.158: what does "f" mean?

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what does "f" mean?

172.71.222.93 at 17:50, 1 November 2023

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172.70.85.28 at 15:31, 1 November 2023

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172.70.85.29 at 15:29, 1 November 2023

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Nitpicking: Floor jacks

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Floor jacks

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 ::...it'll all have to wait until I have the next major overhaul, I think. I'll get the next electrician I need (perhaps when replacing the current boiler, or needing more sockets in the workroom) to try and work it out using their usual tricks and tools. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.29|172.70.85.29]] 15:29, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 :: LoadingReadyRun did a very funny sketch on a "mystery switch" in their office. [https://youtu.be/LpUlpmHG8oc] [[User:AdmiralMemo|Admiral Memo]] ([[User talk:AdmiralMemo|talk]]) 03:14, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 I believe that the cryptogram may be an attempt to pun on a "code breaker" as a reference to people who solve ciphers. [[User:Aberdasher|Aberdasher]] ([[User talk:Aberdasher|talk]]) 13:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

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	One minor issue: Sound doesn't depend on the friction in air. (minor nerdage alert) The inviscid Euler equations can totally support pressure (acoustic) waves. In fact, without viscosity, they'll damp out somewhat slower, so sound would travel slightly further! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.131.6\|172.70.131.6]] 00:33, 4 November 2023 (UTC)		One minor issue: Sound doesn't depend on the friction in air. (minor nerdage alert) The inviscid Euler equations can totally support pressure (acoustic) waves. In fact, without viscosity, they'll damp out somewhat slower, so sound would travel slightly further! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.131.6\|172.70.131.6]] 00:33, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
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		+	I feel like “one niner” and “bad” were overlooked. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.174.233\|172.68.174.233]] 22:18, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

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 So... discussion about "Hot Water Heater" vs. "Regular Water Heater"... I was assuming this was a joke regarding the redundancy of the term "Hot Water Heater" since "Water Heater" is already making the water hot, so why would you need to heat water that's already hot? Similar to RAS Syndrome, I thought Randall was making fun of that, but the explanation has a different idea... which... kind of makes sense? But... I've never seen anything like what is being described. [[User:AdmiralMemo|Admiral Memo]] ([[User talk:AdmiralMemo|talk]]) 05:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 Regarding the "one surprise mystery outlet", I don't think it's necessary to assume it was wired that way by mistake. When extending the wiring in an existing house, it's not always easy to wire up an extra breaker, or use the most logically labelled one, and there may not be a compelling safety reason to do so. For instance, in my parents house, the original sockets are all wired from the floor, and when an extra one was needed for a boiler control, it was easier to run a conduit ''down'' from the floor above; so that particular socket is on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_circuit ring] marked "Upstairs Sockets" on the consumer unit. - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] ([[User talk:IMSoP|talk]]) 09:18, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
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 ::The two main possibilities of purpose that I still imagine they controlled are: 1) The burglar alarm, and 2) The storage heater. Originally. Assuming you'd even want multiple different control-switches. But completely bypassed by a later reinstallation. The newer central heating (replacing the storage system) is entirely controlled from a kitchen wall switch, and its own fusebox breaker. And the alarm system has a hallway pad and if it was ever connected to the "Do not turn on" switch (that was actually on), it hasn't suffered at all from the experimental instances of it being turned off (when I thought I'd check).
 ::...it'll all have to wait until I have the next major overhaul, I think. I'll get the next electrician I need (perhaps when replacing the current boiler, or needing more sockets in the workroom) to try and work it out using their usual tricks and tools. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.29|172.70.85.29]] 15:29, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 I believe that the cryptogram may be an attempt to pun on a "code breaker" as a reference to people who solve ciphers. [[User:Aberdasher|Aberdasher]] ([[User talk:Aberdasher|talk]]) 13:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 Depending on interpretation, "North-facing appliances" could make sense. In my house, I have two main breakers, East and West, each covering (almost) everything in one side of the house. [[User:Ehusmark|EHusmark]] ([[User talk:Ehusmark|talk]]) 14:52, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
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 So.... em if you turn off causality, would the switch that turned off causality actually reliably turn off causality, given that causality has been disabled? (added something like this as a note about the title text). ([[User:Wowitschris|Wowitschris]] ([[User talk:Wowitschris|talk]]) 19:32, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 :Worse than that, if you ''need'' to have Causality turned off (for a 'legitimate' reason), there is now no way of preventing anything (including the Causality switch) to be actively toggled. Causaulity could become active again even without any intervention, as well as any number of other effects (of any spontaneous kind whatsoever) for which no cause is now required. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.195.103|172.69.195.103]] 19:53, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 "A circuit breaker ...to... protect appliances."  --- A pedant would say the breaker protects the wires. When the box is specced and installed, the appliances may not have arrived, and are sure subject to replacement. In both the US and GB Codes the breaker size relates to the wire diameter. If an appliance needs greater protection it should have its own fuse/breaker. Some do, though the trend is to appliances which will fail without flame, smoke, or loud noise.

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	Would a Fujitsu laptop be turned off by "F" in the name. Sure its a laptop (no f), but perhaps the brand makes its name change. What about if it has an "f" in one language but not another. {{unsigned ip\|172.70.127.158\|14:03, 2 November 2023}}		Would a Fujitsu laptop be turned off by "F" in the name. Sure its a laptop (no f), but perhaps the brand makes its name change. What about if it has an "f" in one language but not another. {{unsigned ip\|172.70.127.158\|14:03, 2 November 2023}}
	:It would depend entirely upon the language/terminology used by the switch-switcher. (Though not what the switch-switcher ''wants'' to be the case, e.g. "on this occasion, the 'fridge' is just a 'cooler', but the 'ventillation' is the 'fans'..." 'Cos that'd be ''silly!'') [[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.70\|172.69.194.70]] 14:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)		:It would depend entirely upon the language/terminology used by the switch-switcher. (Though not what the switch-switcher ''wants'' to be the case, e.g. "on this occasion, the 'fridge' is just a 'cooler', but the 'ventillation' is the 'fans'..." 'Cos that'd be ''silly!'') [[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.70\|172.69.194.70]] 14:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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		+	One minor issue: Sound doesn't depend on the friction in air. (minor nerdage alert) The inviscid Euler equations can totally support pressure (acoustic) waves. In fact, without viscosity, they'll damp out somewhat slower, so sound would travel slightly further! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.131.6\|172.70.131.6]] 00:33, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

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 :Floor outlets are pretty common in large rooms. I mean rooms larger than you'd find a house, say a large classroom. They're used for things like floor polishers or vacuum cleaners, that need to be plugged in near the middle of the space, because the walls are too far away. Also, meeting rooms often have floor jacks under the central table, so people can plug in laptops. [[User:Nitpicking|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking|talk]]) 15:12, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
-Wait, what's the joke? I'm pretty sure my (multiple?) circuit boxes are wired exactly like this.
+Wait, what's the joke? I'm pretty sure my (multiple?) circuit boxes are wired exactly like this. {{unsigned ip|172.71.222.93|17:50, 1 November 2023}}
-Would a Fujitsu laptop be turned off by "F" in the name.  Sure its a laptop (no f), but perhaps the brand makes its name change.  What about if it has an "f" in one language but not another.
+Would a Fujitsu laptop be turned off by "F" in the name.  Sure its a laptop (no f), but perhaps the brand makes its name change.  What about if it has an "f" in one language but not another. {{unsigned ip|172.70.127.158|14:03, 2 November 2023}}

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	Wait, what's the joke? I'm pretty sure my (multiple?) circuit boxes are wired exactly like this.		Wait, what's the joke? I'm pretty sure my (multiple?) circuit boxes are wired exactly like this.
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		+	Would a Fujitsu laptop be turned off by "F" in the name. Sure its a laptop (no f), but perhaps the brand makes its name change. What about if it has an "f" in one language but not another.

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	"Hallway floors" My last house was 1830, so all the electrics were hacked-on. We had a floor outlet in the hall. This used to be more common above a wireable cellar, it avoided snaking the wall. [[User:PRR\|PRR]] ([[User talk:PRR\|talk]]) 20:14, 31 October 2023 (UTC)		"Hallway floors" My last house was 1830, so all the electrics were hacked-on. We had a floor outlet in the hall. This used to be more common above a wireable cellar, it avoided snaking the wall. [[User:PRR\|PRR]] ([[User talk:PRR\|talk]]) 20:14, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
	:Floor outlets are pretty common in large rooms. I mean rooms larger than you'd find a house, say a large classroom. They're used for things like floor polishers or vacuum cleaners, that need to be plugged in near the middle of the space, because the walls are too far away. Also, meeting rooms often have floor jacks under the central table, so people can plug in laptops. [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 15:12, 1 November 2023 (UTC)		:Floor outlets are pretty common in large rooms. I mean rooms larger than you'd find a house, say a large classroom. They're used for things like floor polishers or vacuum cleaners, that need to be plugged in near the middle of the space, because the walls are too far away. Also, meeting rooms often have floor jacks under the central table, so people can plug in laptops. [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 15:12, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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 ...in a separate comment, I have a fuse/switch labelled "Do not turn on!" in my house. It was turned on when I moved in, and (barring actually any reason to mess with anything/’get a man in' for any other purpose) I've ''left'' it on. Ditto, for these last six or seven years I've remained ignorant of the purpose of various wall switches (floor-height, one in living room, one at top of stairs, another in a bedroom) that are unlabelled and off (though I ''have'' switched them on... no obvious difference to lighting, alarm system, any other system I can imagine they're wired up into and left it pending some future time when I actually have to do something like strip plaster back and discover which (if any?) run of cable leads from/to them. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.166|141.101.99.166]] 10:11, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 :Regarding wall switches that don't have any apparent purpose. Many houses or apartments were not built with lights in the ceiling. So all your lighting came from lamps plugged into wall outlets. They would wire one of the wall outlets to a wall switch, usually near the door. This way you would leave the lamp turned on and use the wall switch to turn it off and on. It takes a little investigation to figure out which wall outlet is being controlled by the switch. [[User:Rtanenbaum|Rtanenbaum]] ([[User talk:Rtanenbaum|talk]]) 12:43, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
-::Not applicable, in my case (above 'owner' of the floor switches) because all my sockets(/outlets) in my house have switches ''on them''. One of the mysterious floor switches is indeed very close to a wall-socket, but that wall-socket is a double already with two independent switches ({{w|File:Uk 13a double socket.jpg|example image}}). And is of a very similar vintage to the 'mystery switch', by both actual appearance and the how the wallpaper/etc looks. (The house itself is 1930s vintage, but clearly fully updated and rewired to essentially modern standards some time in the last 50 years. No reason for a 'leftover' separate socket switch to have remained/been kept instated.)
+::Not applicable, in my case (above 'owner' of the floor switches) because all my sockets(/outlets) in my house have switches ''on them''. One of the mysterious floor switches is indeed very close to a wall-socket, but that wall-socket is a double already with two independent switches ({{w|File:Uk 13a double socket.jpg|example image}}). And is of a very similar vintage to the 'mystery switch', by both actual appearance and the how the wallpaper/etc looks. (The house itself is 1930s vintage, but clearly fully updated and rewired to essentially modern standards some time in the last 50 years, and probably far far  more recent. No reason for a 'leftover' separate socket switch to have remained/been kept instated.)
 ::The two main possibilities of purpose that I still imagine they controlled are: 1) The burglar alarm, and 2) The storage heater. Originally. Assuming you'd even want multiple different control-switches. But completely bypassed by a later reinstallation. The newer central heating (replacing the storage system) is entirely controlled from a kitchen wall switch, and its own fusebox breaker. And the alarm system has a hallway pad and if it was ever connected to the "Do not turn on" switch (that was actually on), it hasn't suffered at all from the experimental instances of it being turned off (when I thought I'd check).
 ::...it'll all have to wait until I have the next major overhaul, I think. I'll get the next electrician I need (perhaps when replacing the current boiler, or needing more sockets in the workroom) to try and work it out using their usual tricks and tools. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.29|172.70.85.29]] 15:29, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

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	"Hallway floors" My last house was 1830, so all the electrics were hacked-on. We had a floor outlet in the hall. This used to be more common above a wireable cellar, it avoided snaking the wall. [[User:PRR\|PRR]] ([[User talk:PRR\|talk]]) 20:14, 31 October 2023 (UTC)		"Hallway floors" My last house was 1830, so all the electrics were hacked-on. We had a floor outlet in the hall. This used to be more common above a wireable cellar, it avoided snaking the wall. [[User:PRR\|PRR]] ([[User talk:PRR\|talk]]) 20:14, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
		+	:Floor outlets are pretty common in large rooms. I mean rooms larger than you'd find a house, say a large classroom. They're used for things like floor polishers or vacuum cleaners, that need to be plugged in near the middle of the space, because the walls are too far away. Also, meeting rooms often have floor jacks under the central table, so people can plug in laptops. [[User:Nitpicking\|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking\|talk]]) 15:12, 1 November 2023 (UTC)