Talk:2863: Space Typography - Revision history

Zetfr: /* Outer Planets */

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‎Outer Planets

N0lqu at 14:27, 13 December 2023

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N0lqu at 14:27, 13 December 2023

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172.70.85.216 at 19:05, 9 December 2023

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NiceGuy1 at 06:11, 9 December 2023

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172.70.189.138 at 17:51, 8 December 2023

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172.69.214.39: /* Outer Planets */ new section

2023-12-08T17:49:00Z

‎Outer Planets: new section

BunsenH: trivia section?

2023-12-07T16:53:40Z

trivia section?

172.70.178.187: Earth is in the inner solar system

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Earth is in the inner solar system

172.70.127.16 at 03:41, 7 December 2023

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	We need a similar sentence for the outer planets. Jupiter is already in the first one, so it will provide a link connecting the two scales. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.214.39\|172.69.214.39]] 17:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)		We need a similar sentence for the outer planets. Jupiter is already in the first one, so it will provide a link connecting the two scales. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.214.39\|172.69.214.39]] 17:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
	:I'm going to wait until we know where(/if) Planet X might be... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.189.138\|172.70.189.138]] 17:51, 8 December 2023 (UTC)		:I'm going to wait until we know where(/if) Planet X might be... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.189.138\|172.70.189.138]] 17:51, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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		+	Here is a sentence in French that covers all 8 planets with good precision: "On intimide, irrespectueusement, chaque alien en déclarant qu'une phrase aussi bébête peut le dépanner en cas d'égarement désespéré dans le système planétaire de Mercure, Vénus, la Terre, Mars, une géante gazeuse, Saturne,Uranus et Neptune : rien ne le sauvera." Unlike Randall's, this sentence contains no 'o' other than the Sun. It was designed by French physicist [http://www.gef.free.fr/oulipo45.html#date201223 Gilles Esposito-Farèse].
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 :::: Who says only the dots over the i's are to be considered?  The comic certainly doesn't specify that... it just says "use the dots as a map". Someone early on in the explanation made the ''assumption'' that only the dots on letters (i and j) could, but I don't believe that's a valid assumption. The fact that Randall doesn't end the sentence with a dot implies he knows that dot would count, so he didn't include it, though admittedly he did include a period on the title text. [[User:N0lqu|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu|talk]]) 16:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 ::::: Sorry, the i dots are clearly all that are to be considered. Besides the obvious, they're not in line with the other dots (I would consider the possibility of a j counting, I think i dots and j dots share a name?). Those dots don't count, they aren't officially there. Are you not familiar with this? In literary works such as articles and university papers, if you quote something but want to trim parts in the middle which are irrelevant to why you're quoting it, in order to make it shorter, it would be inaccurate and a lie to do so, you'd be misrepresenting the original text, so you have to communicate that you snipped some stuff. You do that with an ellipsis in square brackets, "[...]" (with the square brackets helping make it clear this is not part of the original quote). Here it shows that Randall has left out some Es for brevity/space. "[...]" being the universal sign for "I left something out" being surrounded by E indicates clearly that Randall has left out some Es, we aren't seeing the full count. Which means to be an accurate distance, the ellipsis must be swapped out with the original Es, the ellipsis isn't there when measuring (and besides, if you try to count them, they have no planets assigned to them). [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 06:11, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 :::::: Why do you say that "the i dots [...] clearly [are] all that are to be considered"?  Is it just because that's all that Randall included in the comic?  If he had included j's or periods or colons or other characters that include dots, would you still be saying that?  A dot is a dot, and dots are what he's talking about.  I don't see why any dot from whatever characters could appear would not equally meet the criteria of using the dots as as a map.  As for the ellipsis, I was making the same argument you are, that it's being used in the sense of omitting characters rather than being used verbatim, as that would require the three dots represent planets or other heavenly bodies. [[User:N0lqu|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu|talk]]) 14:27, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 I’m curious whether randall brute forced this, trained a neural network, or did it by hand. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.175.179|172.70.175.179]] 22:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

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 :::: Who says only the dots over the i's are to be considered?  The comic certainly doesn't specify that... it just says "use the dots as a map". Someone early on in the explanation made the ''assumption'' that only the dots on letters (i and j) could, but I don't believe that's a valid assumption. The fact that Randall doesn't end the sentence with a dot implies he knows that dot would count, so he didn't include it, though admittedly he did include a period on the title text. [[User:N0lqu|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu|talk]]) 16:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 ::::: Sorry, the i dots are clearly all that are to be considered. Besides the obvious, they're not in line with the other dots (I would consider the possibility of a j counting, I think i dots and j dots share a name?). Those dots don't count, they aren't officially there. Are you not familiar with this? In literary works such as articles and university papers, if you quote something but want to trim parts in the middle which are irrelevant to why you're quoting it, in order to make it shorter, it would be inaccurate and a lie to do so, you'd be misrepresenting the original text, so you have to communicate that you snipped some stuff. You do that with an ellipsis in square brackets, "[...]" (with the square brackets helping make it clear this is not part of the original quote). Here it shows that Randall has left out some Es for brevity/space. "[...]" being the universal sign for "I left something out" being surrounded by E indicates clearly that Randall has left out some Es, we aren't seeing the full count. Which means to be an accurate distance, the ellipsis must be swapped out with the original Es, the ellipsis isn't there when measuring (and besides, if you try to count them, they have no planets assigned to them). [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 06:11, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 :::::: "I think i dots and j dots share a name?" : That'd probably be {{w|Tittle}} [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.216|172.70.85.216]] 19:05, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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 :::: Who says only the dots over the i's are to be considered?  The comic certainly doesn't specify that... it just says "use the dots as a map". Someone early on in the explanation made the ''assumption'' that only the dots on letters (i and j) could, but I don't believe that's a valid assumption. The fact that Randall doesn't end the sentence with a dot implies he knows that dot would count, so he didn't include it, though admittedly he did include a period on the title text. [[User:N0lqu|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu|talk]]) 16:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 ::::: Sorry, the i dots are clearly all that are to be considered. Besides the obvious, they're not in line with the other dots (I would consider the possibility of a j counting, I think i dots and j dots share a name?). Those dots don't count, they aren't officially there. Are you not familiar with this? In literary works such as articles and university papers, if you quote something but want to trim parts in the middle which are irrelevant to why you're quoting it, in order to make it shorter, it would be inaccurate and a lie to do so, you'd be misrepresenting the original text, so you have to communicate that you snipped some stuff. You do that with an ellipsis in square brackets, "[...]" (with the square brackets helping make it clear this is not part of the original quote). Here it shows that Randall has left out some Es for brevity/space. "[...]" being the universal sign for "I left something out" being surrounded by E indicates clearly that Randall has left out some Es, we aren't seeing the full count. Which means to be an accurate distance, the ellipsis must be swapped out with the original Es, the ellipsis isn't there when measuring (and besides, if you try to count them, they have no planets assigned to them). [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 06:11, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 I’m curious whether randall brute forced this, trained a neural network, or did it by hand. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.175.179|172.70.175.179]] 22:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

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 ::: The sentence is using only the dots that are part of 'i's.  Although the comic's text refers to "dots" without specifying that restriction, we don't have to assume that 'j's and punctuation must also correspond to solar system bodies. [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 20:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 :::: Who says only the dots over the i's are to be considered?  The comic certainly doesn't specify that... it just says "use the dots as a map". Someone early on in the explanation made the ''assumption'' that only the dots on letters (i and j) could, but I don't believe that's a valid assumption. The fact that Randall doesn't end the sentence with a dot implies he knows that dot would count, so he didn't include it, though admittedly he did include a period on the title text. [[User:N0lqu|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu|talk]]) 16:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 I’m curious whether randall brute forced this, trained a neural network, or did it by hand. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.175.179|172.70.175.179]] 22:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

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	We need a similar sentence for the outer planets. Jupiter is already in the first one, so it will provide a link connecting the two scales. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.214.39\|172.69.214.39]] 17:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)		We need a similar sentence for the outer planets. Jupiter is already in the first one, so it will provide a link connecting the two scales. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.214.39\|172.69.214.39]] 17:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I'm going to wait until we know where(/if) Planet X might be... [[Special:Contributions/172.70.189.138\|172.70.189.138]] 17:51, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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	::: A quick reading of the video's comment indicate that it is taken from the first book, so "the most recent one isn't a duplicate of one already covered in other what if? media!" is incorrect, no matter when the free access was added on Youtube. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.233.107\|162.158.233.107]] 08:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)		::: A quick reading of the video's comment indicate that it is taken from the first book, so "the most recent one isn't a duplicate of one already covered in other what if? media!" is incorrect, no matter when the free access was added on Youtube. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.233.107\|162.158.233.107]] 08:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
	:::: Oops :) that's what the "I think" was there for [[Special:Contributions/172.71.30.241\|172.71.30.241]] 23:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Bumpf		:::: Oops :) that's what the "I think" was there for [[Special:Contributions/172.71.30.241\|172.71.30.241]] 23:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)Bumpf
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		+	== Outer Planets ==
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		+	We need a similar sentence for the outer planets. Jupiter is already in the first one, so it will provide a link connecting the two scales. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.214.39\|172.69.214.39]] 17:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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 : what?! it should at least be mentioned. this comic wouldn't exist in a world without well-known solar system mnemonics :D
 : [[User:Lordpipe|Lordpipe]] ([[User talk:Lordpipe|talk]]) 10:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
+:: Maybe in a "Trivia" section? [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 16:53, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

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	I'm so glad "dark black" is specified in the description, lest anyone get confused by looking for light black instead. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.127.16\|172.70.127.16]] 03:41, 7 December 2023 (UTC)		I'm so glad "dark black" is specified in the description, lest anyone get confused by looking for light black instead. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.127.16\|172.70.127.16]] 03:41, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
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		+	Lots of people get lost in the inner solar system. That is, they get lost on Earth, and Earth is in the inner solar system. Yet I don't think this mnemonic would help them much. --[[Special:Contributions/172.70.178.187\|172.70.178.187]] 07:47, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

	== what if? news! ==		== what if? news! ==

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	The mnemonic scans as "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious", with the one hiccup that the emph'''a'''sis lands on the second syl'''la'''ble of mea'''sure'''. --[[User:NotaBene\|NotaBene]] ([[User talk:NotaBene\|talk]]) 22:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)		The mnemonic scans as "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious", with the one hiccup that the emph'''a'''sis lands on the second syl'''la'''ble of mea'''sure'''. --[[User:NotaBene\|NotaBene]] ([[User talk:NotaBene\|talk]]) 22:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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		+	I'm so glad "dark black" is specified in the description, lest anyone get confused by looking for light black instead. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.127.16\|172.70.127.16]] 03:41, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

	== what if? news! ==		== what if? news! ==