Talk:2877: Fever - Revision history

82.132.245.174 at 08:55, 28 August 2025

2025-08-28T08:55:28Z

《プロキシ》 at 21:37, 27 August 2025

2025-08-27T21:37:03Z

162.158.154.134 at 22:34, 8 January 2024

2024-01-08T22:34:22Z

162.158.154.30 at 22:33, 8 January 2024

2024-01-08T22:33:38Z

Kynde at 13:53, 8 January 2024

2024-01-08T13:53:12Z

These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For: Observation.

2024-01-08T01:52:43Z

Observation.

Hkmaly at 17:58, 7 January 2024

2024-01-07T17:58:40Z

172.70.90.28: I think 37 is not an average temperature, and not necessarily your average.

2024-01-06T12:54:49Z

I think 37 is not an average temperature, and not necessarily your average.

Kynde at 10:30, 6 January 2024

2024-01-06T10:30:42Z

Kynde at 10:10, 6 January 2024

2024-01-06T10:10:13Z

@@ Line 25: / Line 25: @@
 My view is that the "Fahrenheit" equivalent column should be deleted; it's more unhelpful than helpful, and thus gets in the way. Getting rid of it would clean up the table to focus more on the actual explanation. No one is being helped by translating large Celsius temperatures into Fahrenheit equivelants. But before doing, I'd like to see if there's strong disagreement. [[User:Laser813|Laser813]] ([[User talk:Laser813|talk]]) 02:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 :I see no problem in it being there. It is a US page and a US based comic. That Randall is all for SI units doesn't mean we should not include the scale in US temperature range even if it is one of the most stupid of the units they cling on to. I'm from Denmark where we use SI units (Celsius is just a Kelvin scale plus 273,15 degrees). So I would say no to removing it. Also Randall includes it in the first entry! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
@@ Line 35: / Line 33: @@
 I think 37 Celsius is a round number for MAXIMUM normal core temperature - you're probably lower just now - and 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit is a precise conversion of an imprecise figure.  It's worth knowing your personal normal temperature - across the menstrual cycle, if that applies to you - to be able to say that you have a fever significantly above your personal norm.  Your norm probably is lower than 37 / 98.6.  Also, these days, you're likely to aim an electronic thermometer onto or into a body part which is naturally cooler, and only estimate the temperature of your insides.  However, this is not what Planned Parenthood recommends, and that's between you and them. Robert Carnegie rja.carnegie@gmail.com [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.28|172.70.90.28]] 12:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 :Per wikipedia, a study in the 19th century pegged the mean (without mentioning the variance) at 36.88 C / 98.38 F, which are equally precise.  That got commonly reported as 37 C / 98.4 F, which loses more precision on the Celsius value than on the Fahrenheit value, but those are both reasonable ways to round the values in and of themselves.  Then apparently someone noticed that precisely 37 C converts to precisely 98.6 F, and started reporting 37 C / 98.6 F.  So, yes, the Fahrenheit value is overly precise.  (But the typical range now is reported as 36.5–37.5 C / 97.7–99.5 F, and given that body temperature is generally higher when we're awake, it seems likely that "you're probably *higher* just now." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_temperature#Historical_understanding [[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.30|162.158.154.30]] 22:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

@@ Line 25: / Line 25: @@
 My view is that the "Fahrenheit" equivalent column should be deleted; it's more unhelpful than helpful, and thus gets in the way. Getting rid of it would clean up the table to focus more on the actual explanation. No one is being helped by translating large Celsius temperatures into Fahrenheit equivelants. But before doing, I'd like to see if there's strong disagreement. [[User:Laser813|Laser813]] ([[User talk:Laser813|talk]]) 02:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 :I see no problem in it being there. It is a US page and a US based comic. That Randall is all for SI units doesn't mean we should not include the scale in US temperature range even if it is one of the most stupid of the units they cling on to. I'm from Denmark where we use SI units (Celsius is just a Kelvin scale plus 273,15 degrees). So I would say no to removing it. Also Randall includes it in the first entry! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 ::Just looking at how {{w|Fahrenheit#History|Fahrenheit}} was defined and redefined (changing the value in process) makes obvious how stupid unit it is. I really don't understand why anyone is using it. Compared to it, foot makes much more sense. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 17:58, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 22:34, 8 January 2024
Line 31:		Line 31:

	I think 37 Celsius is a round number for MAXIMUM normal core temperature - you're probably lower just now - and 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit is a precise conversion of an imprecise figure. It's worth knowing your personal normal temperature - across the menstrual cycle, if that applies to you - to be able to say that you have a fever significantly above your personal norm. Your norm probably is lower than 37 / 98.6. Also, these days, you're likely to aim an electronic thermometer onto or into a body part which is naturally cooler, and only estimate the temperature of your insides. However, this is not what Planned Parenthood recommends, and that's between you and them. Robert Carnegie rja.carnegie@gmail.com [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.28\|172.70.90.28]] 12:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)		I think 37 Celsius is a round number for MAXIMUM normal core temperature - you're probably lower just now - and 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit is a precise conversion of an imprecise figure. It's worth knowing your personal normal temperature - across the menstrual cycle, if that applies to you - to be able to say that you have a fever significantly above your personal norm. Your norm probably is lower than 37 / 98.6. Also, these days, you're likely to aim an electronic thermometer onto or into a body part which is naturally cooler, and only estimate the temperature of your insides. However, this is not what Planned Parenthood recommends, and that's between you and them. Robert Carnegie rja.carnegie@gmail.com [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.28\|172.70.90.28]] 12:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
−	:Per wikipedia, a study in the 19th century pegged the mean (without mentioning the variance) at 36.88 C / 98.38 F, which are equally precise. That got commonly reported as 37 C / 98.4 F, which loses more precision on the Celsius value than on the Fahrenheit value, but those are both reasonable ways to round the values in and of themselves. Then apparently someone noticed that precisely 37 C converts to precisely 98.6 F, and started reporting 37 C / 98.6 F. So, yes, the Fahrenheit value is overly precise. (But the typical range now is reported as 36.5–37.5 C / 97.7–99.5 F, and given that body temperature is generally higher when we're awake, it seems likely that "you're probably higher just now."[[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.30\|162.158.154.30]] 22:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)	+	:Per wikipedia, a study in the 19th century pegged the mean (without mentioning the variance) at 36.88 C / 98.38 F, which are equally precise. That got commonly reported as 37 C / 98.4 F, which loses more precision on the Celsius value than on the Fahrenheit value, but those are both reasonable ways to round the values in and of themselves. Then apparently someone noticed that precisely 37 C converts to precisely 98.6 F, and started reporting 37 C / 98.6 F. So, yes, the Fahrenheit value is overly precise. (But the typical range now is reported as 36.5–37.5 C / 97.7–99.5 F, and given that body temperature is generally higher when we're awake, it seems likely that "you're probably higher just now." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_temperature#Historical_understanding [[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.30\|162.158.154.30]] 22:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 22:33, 8 January 2024
Line 31:		Line 31:

	I think 37 Celsius is a round number for MAXIMUM normal core temperature - you're probably lower just now - and 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit is a precise conversion of an imprecise figure. It's worth knowing your personal normal temperature - across the menstrual cycle, if that applies to you - to be able to say that you have a fever significantly above your personal norm. Your norm probably is lower than 37 / 98.6. Also, these days, you're likely to aim an electronic thermometer onto or into a body part which is naturally cooler, and only estimate the temperature of your insides. However, this is not what Planned Parenthood recommends, and that's between you and them. Robert Carnegie rja.carnegie@gmail.com [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.28\|172.70.90.28]] 12:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)		I think 37 Celsius is a round number for MAXIMUM normal core temperature - you're probably lower just now - and 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit is a precise conversion of an imprecise figure. It's worth knowing your personal normal temperature - across the menstrual cycle, if that applies to you - to be able to say that you have a fever significantly above your personal norm. Your norm probably is lower than 37 / 98.6. Also, these days, you're likely to aim an electronic thermometer onto or into a body part which is naturally cooler, and only estimate the temperature of your insides. However, this is not what Planned Parenthood recommends, and that's between you and them. Robert Carnegie rja.carnegie@gmail.com [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.28\|172.70.90.28]] 12:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Per wikipedia, a study in the 19th century pegged the mean (without mentioning the variance) at 36.88 C / 98.38 F, which are equally precise. That got commonly reported as 37 C / 98.4 F, which loses more precision on the Celsius value than on the Fahrenheit value, but those are both reasonable ways to round the values in and of themselves. Then apparently someone noticed that precisely 37 C converts to precisely 98.6 F, and started reporting 37 C / 98.6 F. So, yes, the Fahrenheit value is overly precise. (But the typical range now is reported as 36.5–37.5 C / 97.7–99.5 F, and given that body temperature is generally higher when we're awake, it seems likely that "you're probably higher just now."[[Special:Contributions/162.158.154.30\|162.158.154.30]] 22:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 13:53, 8 January 2024
Line 30:		Line 30:
	At our current technological level, the conversations in a few of the treatments are impossible. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 01:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)		At our current technological level, the conversations in a few of the treatments are impossible. [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For\|talk]]) 01:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

−	I think 37 Celsius is a round number for MAXIMUM normal core temperature - you're probably lower just now - and 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit is a precise conversion of an imprecise figure. It's worth knowing your personal normal temperature - across the menstrual cycle, if that applies to you - to be able to say that you have a fever significantly above your personal norm. Your norm probably is lower than 37 / 98.6. Also, these days, you're likely to aim an electronic thermometer onto or into a body part which is naturally cooler, and only estimate the temperature of your insides. However, this is not what Planned Parenthood recommends, and that's between you and them.	+	I think 37 Celsius is a round number for MAXIMUM normal core temperature - you're probably lower just now - and 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit is a precise conversion of an imprecise figure. It's worth knowing your personal normal temperature - across the menstrual cycle, if that applies to you - to be able to say that you have a fever significantly above your personal norm. Your norm probably is lower than 37 / 98.6. Also, these days, you're likely to aim an electronic thermometer onto or into a body part which is naturally cooler, and only estimate the temperature of your insides. However, this is not what Planned Parenthood recommends, and that's between you and them. Robert Carnegie rja.carnegie@gmail.com [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.28\|172.70.90.28]] 12:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
−	Robert Carnegie rja.carnegie@gmail.com [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.28\|172.70.90.28]] 12:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

← Older revision		Revision as of 12:54, 6 January 2024
Line 26:		Line 26:
	My view is that the "Fahrenheit" equivalent column should be deleted; it's more unhelpful than helpful, and thus gets in the way. Getting rid of it would clean up the table to focus more on the actual explanation. No one is being helped by translating large Celsius temperatures into Fahrenheit equivelants. But before doing, I'd like to see if there's strong disagreement. [[User:Laser813\|Laser813]] ([[User talk:Laser813\|talk]]) 02:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)		My view is that the "Fahrenheit" equivalent column should be deleted; it's more unhelpful than helpful, and thus gets in the way. Getting rid of it would clean up the table to focus more on the actual explanation. No one is being helped by translating large Celsius temperatures into Fahrenheit equivelants. But before doing, I'd like to see if there's strong disagreement. [[User:Laser813\|Laser813]] ([[User talk:Laser813\|talk]]) 02:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
	:I see no problem in it being there. It is a US page and a US based comic. That Randall is all for SI units doesn't mean we should not include the scale in US temperature range even if it is one of the most stupid of the units they cling on to. I'm from Denmark where we use SI units (Celsius is just a Kelvin scale plus 273,15 degrees). So I would say no to removing it. Also Randall includes it in the first entry! --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 10:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)		:I see no problem in it being there. It is a US page and a US based comic. That Randall is all for SI units doesn't mean we should not include the scale in US temperature range even if it is one of the most stupid of the units they cling on to. I'm from Denmark where we use SI units (Celsius is just a Kelvin scale plus 273,15 degrees). So I would say no to removing it. Also Randall includes it in the first entry! --[[User:Kynde\|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde\|talk]]) 10:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
		+
		+	I think 37 Celsius is a round number for MAXIMUM normal core temperature - you're probably lower just now - and 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit is a precise conversion of an imprecise figure. It's worth knowing your personal normal temperature - across the menstrual cycle, if that applies to you - to be able to say that you have a fever significantly above your personal norm. Your norm probably is lower than 37 / 98.6. Also, these days, you're likely to aim an electronic thermometer onto or into a body part which is naturally cooler, and only estimate the temperature of your insides. However, this is not what Planned Parenthood recommends, and that's between you and them.
		+	Robert Carnegie rja.carnegie@gmail.com [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.28\|172.70.90.28]] 12:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@@ Line 15: / Line 15: @@
 Another reference to the 2003 movie ''{{w|The Core}}''. We should add a category. --[[Special:Contributions/172.71.114.123|172.71.114.123]] 00:03, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 :Actually we should! --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 10:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 ''45°C–100°C: Only a few people could survive such external temperatures, for extended periods, ...''

@@ Line 11: / Line 11: @@
 : Leaving it open to your choice (or the huge argument between descriptivists and formattists!)... [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.164|172.69.79.164]] 01:05, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 :: Thank you so much for the feedback! I reformatted the transcript [[User:DNA Diva|DNA diva]] ([[User talk:DNA Diva|talk]]) 03:09, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 Another reference to the 2003 movie ''{{w|The Core}}''. We should add a category. --[[Special:Contributions/172.71.114.123|172.71.114.123]] 00:03, 6 January 2024 (UTC)