Talk:2975: Classical Periodic Table - Revision history

Bb777 at 19:29, 28 March 2025

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162.158.79.173 at 20:29, 18 November 2024

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172.70.160.137: Fixed with signing (plus prepended a linefeed, more for editor-friendliness) and corrected the honest mistake of [[]] vs [] linking.

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Fixed with signing (plus prepended a linefeed, more for editor-friendliness) and corrected the honest mistake of [[]] vs [] linking.

172.70.80.229: Fix indentation of my recent comment

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Fix indentation of my recent comment

172.70.80.229: Noting similarity to Tom Lehrer's Elements Song

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Noting similarity to Tom Lehrer's Elements Song

172.70.162.163 at 21:34, 23 August 2024

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162.158.155.191 at 19:40, 23 August 2024

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	Who remembers the 21st night of September? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.79.173\|162.158.79.173]] 20:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC)		Who remembers the 21st night of September? [[Special:Contributions/162.158.79.173\|162.158.79.173]] 20:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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		+	in some cultures there's also "metal" --[[User:Bb777\|me, hi]] ([[User talk:Bb777\|talk]]) 19:29, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

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	I feel like Munroe just discovered the Aristotle Version of [https://tomlehrersongs.com/the-elements Tom Lehrer's song The Elements] {{unsigned ip\|172.70.80.229\|16:52, 4 September 2024 }}		I feel like Munroe just discovered the Aristotle Version of [https://tomlehrersongs.com/the-elements Tom Lehrer's song The Elements] {{unsigned ip\|172.70.80.229\|16:52, 4 September 2024 }}

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 ::To be most sure (given fluorine's actual reactiveness with elements that have more stealth 'shell slots' available to attach to), I'd suggest helium over any other choice. Assuming you [[2766: Helium Reserve|have it]] or [[2972: Helium Synthesis|can get it]], naturally.
 ::Though, as pointed out, the tendencies of radioactivity really aren't subject to temperature or (short of metals being compressed to super-criticality in nuclear-weapons, which isn't really the same thing) pressure in any way. These do dictate the precise memberships of the non-Fire elements (you can freeze mercury or melt sodium or condense nitrogen, etc), but talking of STP isn't really so necessary in the context of the 'firey fringes', assuming it's based upon arbitrarily-timed half-life-length. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.163|172.70.162.163]] 21:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
-I feel like Munroe just discovered the Aristotle Version of [[https://tomlehrersongs.com/the-elements Tom Lehrer's song The Elements]]

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	::To be most sure (given fluorine's actual reactiveness with elements that have more stealth 'shell slots' available to attach to), I'd suggest helium over any other choice. Assuming you [[2766: Helium Reserve\|have it]] or [[2972: Helium Synthesis\|can get it]], naturally.		::To be most sure (given fluorine's actual reactiveness with elements that have more stealth 'shell slots' available to attach to), I'd suggest helium over any other choice. Assuming you [[2766: Helium Reserve\|have it]] or [[2972: Helium Synthesis\|can get it]], naturally.
	::Though, as pointed out, the tendencies of radioactivity really aren't subject to temperature or (short of metals being compressed to super-criticality in nuclear-weapons, which isn't really the same thing) pressure in any way. These do dictate the precise memberships of the non-Fire elements (you can freeze mercury or melt sodium or condense nitrogen, etc), but talking of STP isn't really so necessary in the context of the 'firey fringes', assuming it's based upon arbitrarily-timed half-life-length. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.163\|172.70.162.163]] 21:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)		::Though, as pointed out, the tendencies of radioactivity really aren't subject to temperature or (short of metals being compressed to super-criticality in nuclear-weapons, which isn't really the same thing) pressure in any way. These do dictate the precise memberships of the non-Fire elements (you can freeze mercury or melt sodium or condense nitrogen, etc), but talking of STP isn't really so necessary in the context of the 'firey fringes', assuming it's based upon arbitrarily-timed half-life-length. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.163\|172.70.162.163]] 21:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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	:But any concept of "standard temperature, pressure ''and environment''" is obviously beyond the scope of this humorous take. One could even imagine that it be "an infinite space" of the target (nonclassical) element (c.f. "infinite plane" assumptions), without boundary or container, but how that effects the fire/earth boundary of certain radioactive materials (w.r.t. the ability to have a critical density, given a supercritical mass ''without'' being forced together) I think is not necessarily open (or easily obtained) information. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.160.220\|172.70.160.220]] 12:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)		:But any concept of "standard temperature, pressure ''and environment''" is obviously beyond the scope of this humorous take. One could even imagine that it be "an infinite space" of the target (nonclassical) element (c.f. "infinite plane" assumptions), without boundary or container, but how that effects the fire/earth boundary of certain radioactive materials (w.r.t. the ability to have a critical density, given a supercritical mass ''without'' being forced together) I think is not necessarily open (or easily obtained) information. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.160.220\|172.70.160.220]] 12:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
	:Phosphorous combines with other elements, like oxygen, to make fire. Radioactive elements produce heat and sometimes higher-frequency light (i.e. "fire") ''all by themselves''. STP with neon as the gas might be a good starting point to think about this, although I wouldn't bet against neon interacting at least a little with some of the more aggressive fire elements. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.155.191\|162.158.155.191]] 19:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)		:Phosphorous combines with other elements, like oxygen, to make fire. Radioactive elements produce heat and sometimes higher-frequency light (i.e. "fire") ''all by themselves''. STP with neon as the gas might be a good starting point to think about this, although I wouldn't bet against neon interacting at least a little with some of the more aggressive fire elements. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.155.191\|162.158.155.191]] 19:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
		+	::To be most sure (given fluorine's actual reactiveness with elements that have more stealth 'shell slots' available to attach to), I'd suggest helium over any other choice. Assuming you [[2766: Helium Reserve\|have it]] or [[2972: Helium Synthesis\|can get it]], naturally.
		+	::Though, as pointed out, the tendencies of radioactivity really aren't subject to temperature or (short of metals being compressed to super-criticality in nuclear-weapons, which isn't really the same thing) pressure in any way. These do dictate the precise memberships of the non-Fire elements (you can freeze mercury or melt sodium or condense nitrogen, etc), but talking of STP isn't really so necessary in the context of the 'firey fringes', assuming it's based upon arbitrarily-timed half-life-length. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.163\|172.70.162.163]] 21:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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	:The issue of STP doesn't really apply to the whole "fire" grouping, anyway. The thing making them "fire" is not really influenced by changes in temperature and pressure (not unless you're going the way of stellar temperatures and being pressured by an essentially neutronium soup, but we're drifting into many more things being dragged into this, ultimately). The likes of phosphorous is not shown as "fire", when it can be indeed aflame under STP (to not be, you have to ensure the pressure is not from ''our typical mix of'' "air", but one which is quite a bit less reactive), and I'm really not sure (without looking up likely examples) how many of the non-"fire" elements (other than itself, of course) would not effectively set on fire if the pressure requirements was to be provided by a fluorine atmosphere...		:The issue of STP doesn't really apply to the whole "fire" grouping, anyway. The thing making them "fire" is not really influenced by changes in temperature and pressure (not unless you're going the way of stellar temperatures and being pressured by an essentially neutronium soup, but we're drifting into many more things being dragged into this, ultimately). The likes of phosphorous is not shown as "fire", when it can be indeed aflame under STP (to not be, you have to ensure the pressure is not from ''our typical mix of'' "air", but one which is quite a bit less reactive), and I'm really not sure (without looking up likely examples) how many of the non-"fire" elements (other than itself, of course) would not effectively set on fire if the pressure requirements was to be provided by a fluorine atmosphere...
	:But any concept of "standard temperature, pressure ''and environment''" is obviously beyond the scope of this humorous take. One could even imagine that it be "an infinite space" of the target (nonclassical) element (c.f. "infinite plane" assumptions), without boundary or container, but how that effects the fire/earth boundary of certain radioactive materials (w.r.t. the ability to have a critical density, given a supercritical mass ''without'' being forced together) I think is not necessarily open (or easily obtained) information. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.160.220\|172.70.160.220]] 12:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)		:But any concept of "standard temperature, pressure ''and environment''" is obviously beyond the scope of this humorous take. One could even imagine that it be "an infinite space" of the target (nonclassical) element (c.f. "infinite plane" assumptions), without boundary or container, but how that effects the fire/earth boundary of certain radioactive materials (w.r.t. the ability to have a critical density, given a supercritical mass ''without'' being forced together) I think is not necessarily open (or easily obtained) information. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.160.220\|172.70.160.220]] 12:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Phosphorous combines with other elements, like oxygen, to make fire. Radioactive elements produce heat and sometimes higher-frequency light (i.e. "fire") ''all by themselves''. STP with neon as the gas might be a good starting point to think about this, although I wouldn't bet against neon interacting at least a little with some of the more aggressive fire elements. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.155.191\|162.158.155.191]] 19:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)