Talk:3190: Tensegrity - Revision history

2001:4C4E:1C13:7A00:14DA:6895:F184:AC40 at 15:21, 24 January 2026

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82.13.184.33 at 09:09, 8 January 2026

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Lordpishky: One word Eliza AI reference with nine word summary.

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One word Eliza AI reference with nine word summary.

82.132.237.91 at 17:55, 7 January 2026

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R128 at 16:25, 7 January 2026

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193.42.0.156 at 16:16, 7 January 2026

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Utdtutyabthsc at 03:14, 7 January 2026

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Utdtutyabthsc at 03:13, 7 January 2026

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92.23.2.208 at 17:29, 6 January 2026

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Barmar at 15:38, 6 January 2026

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	:For walking (or anything up to a gallop), I'd be intrigued to see its motion... The 'thigh' motion and the continual adjustment of the torso-to-'shin' tension-tendons probably need to be tightly coordinated due to the relative separation of same-leg-knees in a hammocky manner. I bet it could work, but there's ''plenty'' of scope for pain (overslacking, tensegrity-collapse, inter-entanglement of limbs and 'wires', etc) if not done correctly. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.237.91\|82.132.237.91]] 17:55, 7 January 2026 (UTC)		:For walking (or anything up to a gallop), I'd be intrigued to see its motion... The 'thigh' motion and the continual adjustment of the torso-to-'shin' tension-tendons probably need to be tightly coordinated due to the relative separation of same-leg-knees in a hammocky manner. I bet it could work, but there's ''plenty'' of scope for pain (overslacking, tensegrity-collapse, inter-entanglement of limbs and 'wires', etc) if not done correctly. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.237.91\|82.132.237.91]] 17:55, 7 January 2026 (UTC)
	:: You're telling me this could work? You're 'avin a giraffe!! [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 09:09, 8 January 2026 (UTC)		:: You're telling me this could work? You're 'avin a giraffe!! [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 09:09, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
		+	:::If the strings have neurons, ligaments, muscles around them, and skin around the muscles, movement can work as well. Neurons to make moving the lower parts possible, ligaments to reduce pain. [[Special:Contributions/2001:4C4E:1C13:7A00:14DA:6895:F184:AC40\|2001:4C4E:1C13:7A00:14DA:6895:F184:AC40]] 15:21, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

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	:At a glance, I'd say that the stationary giraffe is ''probably'' stable enough, enough tension-wires (assuming they're not slack, at the moment - the drawing isn't too clear on that point) to keep its lower-legs prolerly 'beneath' its upper legs, except of course for the knee-ends being higher/lower than its 'lower/higher' knees.		:At a glance, I'd say that the stationary giraffe is ''probably'' stable enough, enough tension-wires (assuming they're not slack, at the moment - the drawing isn't too clear on that point) to keep its lower-legs prolerly 'beneath' its upper legs, except of course for the knee-ends being higher/lower than its 'lower/higher' knees.
	:For walking (or anything up to a gallop), I'd be intrigued to see its motion... The 'thigh' motion and the continual adjustment of the torso-to-'shin' tension-tendons probably need to be tightly coordinated due to the relative separation of same-leg-knees in a hammocky manner. I bet it could work, but there's ''plenty'' of scope for pain (overslacking, tensegrity-collapse, inter-entanglement of limbs and 'wires', etc) if not done correctly. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.237.91\|82.132.237.91]] 17:55, 7 January 2026 (UTC)		:For walking (or anything up to a gallop), I'd be intrigued to see its motion... The 'thigh' motion and the continual adjustment of the torso-to-'shin' tension-tendons probably need to be tightly coordinated due to the relative separation of same-leg-knees in a hammocky manner. I bet it could work, but there's ''plenty'' of scope for pain (overslacking, tensegrity-collapse, inter-entanglement of limbs and 'wires', etc) if not done correctly. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.237.91\|82.132.237.91]] 17:55, 7 January 2026 (UTC)
		+	:: You're telling me this could work? You're 'avin a giraffe!! [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 09:09, 8 January 2026 (UTC)

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 :Some people are AI obsessed.
 :Tell me about your mother. [[Special:Contributions/92.23.2.208|92.23.2.208]] 17:29, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
 Giraffe necks are supported by an elastic nuchal ligament attached to the vertebrae[https://scatterfeed.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/you-can-take-a-giraffe-to-water/].  Thus, a giraffe doesn't need to use muscle to keep its head and neck up; to _lower_ their heads they need to stretch the ligament with muscle.  A structure whose weight is supported by an elastic band attached to a fixed bone seems to fit the real definition of tensegrity, but I'm not sure if that's part of the joke here or Randall was not aware of real giraffe anatomy.  [[Special:Contributions/104.185.183.165|104.185.183.165]] 11:37, 6 January 2026 (UTC)ben

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	I'm trying to figure out whether the giraffe as drawn would actually stand. It kinda looks to me like it wouldn't but I could be wrong. [[Special:Contributions/193.42.0.156\|193.42.0.156]] 16:16, 7 January 2026 (UTC)		I'm trying to figure out whether the giraffe as drawn would actually stand. It kinda looks to me like it wouldn't but I could be wrong. [[Special:Contributions/193.42.0.156\|193.42.0.156]] 16:16, 7 January 2026 (UTC)
		+	:The lower'knee' part of the giraffe's 'thighs' is hanging from the upper 'knee' part of the giraffe's 'shins'.
		+	:(I'm using scare-quotes, there, because digitiform limb use might have an ankle where a plantiform limb has a knee, a knee up near where the plantiform has its hip and the hip sort of gets more lost in the torso - I suspect giraffes follow that plan more than legs as ''we'' tend to use them, but I'm not sure without checking..!)
		+	:So long as the 'shins' stay upright, and there's no other overbalancing, everything else should sit on the slung-lower 'thigh's dangling from the four knee-to-knee tensioned elements. The rest of the 'tension tendons' must therefore do two things:
		+	:#Ensure the 'shins' stay upright (or at whatever angle they should be to take successive strides, like a human shin swings during walking/running) so that they don't topple over and bring the giraffe above to its (four, if not eight) 'knees' - this requires lateral tensions that keep (or controllably vary) the shin-knee above the shin-foot, and the shin-knee consistently in the range of knee-knee stretched arc above the current position of the thigh-knee.
		+	:#Prevent the oscillation of the thigh-knee-on-up body (with a CoG clearly higher than the shin-knee suspension point) from toppling sideways, perhaps due to single or multiple limbs being off the ground and side-swagger enabling the body-roll (like standing on the seat of an infant-sized swingset that's far too small for you, or walking on a slackline high-wire, without anything else to hold onto or ''a lot of practice'').
		+	:At a glance, I'd say that the stationary giraffe is ''probably'' stable enough, enough tension-wires (assuming they're not slack, at the moment - the drawing isn't too clear on that point) to keep its lower-legs prolerly 'beneath' its upper legs, except of course for the knee-ends being higher/lower than its 'lower/higher' knees.
		+	:For walking (or anything up to a gallop), I'd be intrigued to see its motion... The 'thigh' motion and the continual adjustment of the torso-to-'shin' tension-tendons probably need to be tightly coordinated due to the relative separation of same-leg-knees in a hammocky manner. I bet it could work, but there's ''plenty'' of scope for pain (overslacking, tensegrity-collapse, inter-entanglement of limbs and 'wires', etc) if not done correctly. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.237.91\|82.132.237.91]] 17:55, 7 January 2026 (UTC)

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 Giraffe necks are supported by an elastic nuchal ligament attached to the vertebrae[https://scatterfeed.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/you-can-take-a-giraffe-to-water/].  Thus, a giraffe doesn't need to use muscle to keep its head and neck up; to _lower_ their heads they need to stretch the ligament with muscle.  A structure whose weight is supported by an elastic band attached to a fixed bone seems to fit the real definition of tensegrity, but I'm not sure if that's part of the joke here or Randall was not aware of real giraffe anatomy.  [[Special:Contributions/104.185.183.165|104.185.183.165]] 11:37, 6 January 2026 (UTC)ben
 :The joke here is about the legs, not the neck. {{unsigned|Barmar|15:38, 6 January 2026}}
 ''"This page was created by a string. "'' ...Well, you're not wrong. --[[User:Utdtutyabthsc|Utdtutyabthsc]] ([[User talk:Utdtutyabthsc|talk]]) 03:13, 7 January 2026 (UTC)
 I'm trying to figure out whether the giraffe as drawn would actually stand. It kinda looks to me like it wouldn't but I could be wrong. [[Special:Contributions/193.42.0.156|193.42.0.156]] 16:16, 7 January 2026 (UTC)

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	Giraffe necks are supported by an elastic nuchal ligament attached to the vertebrae[https://scatterfeed.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/you-can-take-a-giraffe-to-water/]. Thus, a giraffe doesn't need to use muscle to keep its head and neck up; to _lower_ their heads they need to stretch the ligament with muscle. A structure whose weight is supported by an elastic band attached to a fixed bone seems to fit the real definition of tensegrity, but I'm not sure if that's part of the joke here or Randall was not aware of real giraffe anatomy. [[Special:Contributions/104.185.183.165\|104.185.183.165]] 11:37, 6 January 2026 (UTC)ben		Giraffe necks are supported by an elastic nuchal ligament attached to the vertebrae[https://scatterfeed.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/you-can-take-a-giraffe-to-water/]. Thus, a giraffe doesn't need to use muscle to keep its head and neck up; to _lower_ their heads they need to stretch the ligament with muscle. A structure whose weight is supported by an elastic band attached to a fixed bone seems to fit the real definition of tensegrity, but I'm not sure if that's part of the joke here or Randall was not aware of real giraffe anatomy. [[Special:Contributions/104.185.183.165\|104.185.183.165]] 11:37, 6 January 2026 (UTC)ben
	:The joke here is about the legs, not the neck. {{unsigned\|Barmar\|15:38, 6 January 2026}}		:The joke here is about the legs, not the neck. {{unsigned\|Barmar\|15:38, 6 January 2026}}
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 :::Like what I've done for you. And to reply to one with one colon, put two colons, etc. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33|82.13.184.33]] 14:39, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
 I'm wondering if there is a connection to [[wikipedia:Ruth Asawa|Ruth Asawa]], who studied under Buckminster Fuller.  Some of Asawa's works were described as "earrings for a giraffe."[https://ethicaldative.com/2025/12/24/earrings-for-a-giraffe/] [[Special:Contributions/76.187.17.7|76.187.17.7]] 04:59, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
 Those legs looks like something AI would come up with. --[[User:Coconut Galaxy|Coconut Galaxy]] ([[User talk:Coconut Galaxy|talk]]) 08:29, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
 Giraffe necks are supported by an elastic nuchal ligament attached to the vertebrae[https://scatterfeed.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/you-can-take-a-giraffe-to-water/].  Thus, a giraffe doesn't need to use muscle to keep its head and neck up; to _lower_ their heads they need to stretch the ligament with muscle.  A structure whose weight is supported by an elastic band attached to a fixed bone seems to fit the real definition of tensegrity, but I'm not sure if that's part of the joke here or Randall was not aware of real giraffe anatomy.  [[Special:Contributions/104.185.183.165|104.185.183.165]] 11:37, 6 January 2026 (UTC)ben
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	Giraffe necks are supported by an elastic nuchal ligament attached to the vertebrae[https://scatterfeed.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/you-can-take-a-giraffe-to-water/]. Thus, a giraffe doesn't need to use muscle to keep its head and neck up; to _lower_ their heads they need to stretch the ligament with muscle. A structure whose weight is supported by an elastic band attached to a fixed bone seems to fit the real definition of tensegrity, but I'm not sure if that's part of the joke here or Randall was not aware of real giraffe anatomy. [[Special:Contributions/104.185.183.165\|104.185.183.165]] 11:37, 6 January 2026 (UTC)ben		Giraffe necks are supported by an elastic nuchal ligament attached to the vertebrae[https://scatterfeed.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/you-can-take-a-giraffe-to-water/]. Thus, a giraffe doesn't need to use muscle to keep its head and neck up; to _lower_ their heads they need to stretch the ligament with muscle. A structure whose weight is supported by an elastic band attached to a fixed bone seems to fit the real definition of tensegrity, but I'm not sure if that's part of the joke here or Randall was not aware of real giraffe anatomy. [[Special:Contributions/104.185.183.165\|104.185.183.165]] 11:37, 6 January 2026 (UTC)ben
		+	:The joke here is about the legs, not the neck.