Talk:3236: Border Message - Revision history

82.132.237.90 at 15:14, 30 April 2026

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62.112.240.32 at 07:30, 30 April 2026

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2600:8802:3A10:8E00:E1DE:3AFE:92DC:C3E2 at 00:47, 29 April 2026

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Solomon: linking to other border-related comics

2026-04-24T21:13:02Z

linking to other border-related comics

81.179.199.253 at 18:44, 24 April 2026

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JohnHawkinson: Board, border, bordererer, borderest?

2026-04-24T15:38:05Z

Board, border, bordererer, borderest?

82.13.184.33 at 08:40, 24 April 2026

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82.13.184.33 at 08:31, 24 April 2026

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2A02:810D:9B99:7800:44E5:EA60:BFD9:E626: Added cooment about the land between the letters.

2026-04-24T06:45:38Z

Added cooment about the land between the letters.

82.132.238.117: ...whoops, got confused (but I also know of a real Eastlake,, not that it excuses my slipup..)

2026-04-24T00:32:07Z

...whoops, got confused (but I also know of a real Eastlake,, not that it excuses my slipup..)

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 :What is it with the Belgians and strange borders? Their border with Germany near Monschau is also a mess of exclaves. --[[Special:Contributions/88.97.176.34|88.97.176.34]] 22:00, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
 :: It's because those countries were slowly assembled over centuries out of innumerable principalities, duchies, bishoprics, etc., often through marriages, land gifts in exchange for political or military support, in payment of debt, and so on, so one individual might end up in control of many discontinuous territories. When those fiefdoms were eventually absorbed into larger states, many of those oddities persisted unless removed by some kind of territory swap (since no-one generally wants to unilaterally give up territory) or conquest by war. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33|82.13.184.33]] 08:40, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
-:::True, but actually the Monschau complexities and exclaves are relatively recent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vennbahn#History
+:::True, but actually the Monschau complexities and exclaves are relatively recent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vennbahn#History {{unsigned ip|62.112.240.32|07:30, 30 April 2026}}
 SMBC once had a similar idea to stop Gerrymandering: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2013-07-12 [[Special:Contributions/90.146.31.117|90.146.31.117]] 23:02, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

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 :What is it with the Belgians and strange borders? Their border with Germany near Monschau is also a mess of exclaves. --[[Special:Contributions/88.97.176.34|88.97.176.34]] 22:00, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
 :: It's because those countries were slowly assembled over centuries out of innumerable principalities, duchies, bishoprics, etc., often through marriages, land gifts in exchange for political or military support, in payment of debt, and so on, so one individual might end up in control of many discontinuous territories. When those fiefdoms were eventually absorbed into larger states, many of those oddities persisted unless removed by some kind of territory swap (since no-one generally wants to unilaterally give up territory) or conquest by war. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33|82.13.184.33]] 08:40, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
 SMBC once had a similar idea to stop Gerrymandering: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2013-07-12 [[Special:Contributions/90.146.31.117|90.146.31.117]] 23:02, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

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	Here are some more comics about borders: [[2519: Sloped Border]], [[1986: River Border]]. [[User:Solomon\|Solomon]] ([[User talk:Solomon\|talk]]) 21:13, 24 April 2026 (UTC)		Here are some more comics about borders: [[2519: Sloped Border]], [[1986: River Border]]. [[User:Solomon\|Solomon]] ([[User talk:Solomon\|talk]]) 21:13, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
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		+	I'm seriously considering proposing this bill to my local legislator right now and am fighting the urge to do so. [[Special:Contributions/2600:8802:3A10:8E00:E1DE:3AFE:92DC:C3E2\|2600:8802:3A10:8E00:E1DE:3AFE:92DC:C3E2]] 00:47, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

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	Belatedly I note that this comic was preceded by "Types of Board Game," which is to say, we went from Board to Border. This is probably an uninteresting coincidence. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 15:38, 24 April 2026 (UTC)		Belatedly I note that this comic was preceded by "Types of Board Game," which is to say, we went from Board to Border. This is probably an uninteresting coincidence. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 15:38, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
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		+	Here are some more comics about borders: [[2519: Sloped Border]], [[1986: River Border]]. [[User:Solomon\|Solomon]] ([[User talk:Solomon\|talk]]) 21:13, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

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 :What I find interesting is the slope of the writing (beyond the 'slope of the border' as it would be if it hadn't been made wiggly). I suspect that the way the natural border effectively would go from the character base on the left to higher up on the 'line height' to the right means that the ficticious map-definers (and, by extension, Randall) probably scrupulously ensured that this 'map doodling' made sure to not change the total area possessed by each side. By dipping the text-outlines down into Southlake, the area that might be considered nominally East Valley 'transfered' to Southlake as sections of letter-body seems to be balanced by the gain by East Valley by the baseline (at the right-hand end) dipping down into Southlake territory, until brought back up to the next 'level' section at the extreme right of the panel.
 :Might be worth analysing areas, comparing the scrawl-related possessions vs. what a more direct line would give to each. [[Special:Contributions/82.132.238.117|82.132.238.117]] 20:13, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
 I think the county names are a reference to 2548 [[User:FluffyGuardian70|FluffyGuardian70]] ([[User talk:FluffyGuardian70|talk]]) 22:31, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

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	The explanation says "What logging would happen in the 'no man's land' between the letters is unclear (possibly none?), ...". I do not think that there is any no man's land between the letters. The land between the letters should belong to East Valley, as it is north of the border line. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:810D:9B99:7800:44E5:EA60:BFD9:E626\|2A02:810D:9B99:7800:44E5:EA60:BFD9:E626]] 06:45, 24 April 2026 (UTC)		The explanation says "What logging would happen in the 'no man's land' between the letters is unclear (possibly none?), ...". I do not think that there is any no man's land between the letters. The land between the letters should belong to East Valley, as it is north of the border line. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:810D:9B99:7800:44E5:EA60:BFD9:E626\|2A02:810D:9B99:7800:44E5:EA60:BFD9:E626]] 06:45, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
	: I assume that was meant to refer to the exclaved land ''within'' the letters, but ''between'' was a confusing way of talking about that - have amended it. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 08:31, 24 April 2026 (UTC)		: I assume that was meant to refer to the exclaved land ''within'' the letters, but ''between'' was a confusing way of talking about that - have amended it. [[Special:Contributions/82.13.184.33\|82.13.184.33]] 08:31, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
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		+	Belatedly I note that this comic was preceded by "Types of Board Game," which is to say, we went from Board to Border. This is probably an uninteresting coincidence. [[User:JohnHawkinson\|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson\|talk]]) 15:38, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

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 :There's [[:Category:US maps]], but that is really more specifically of the 'whole' US (give or take contiguousness/fictionalisation), whereas this is more just 'a map', not even necessarily a (theoretical) subset of the US (though the names given to either side of the border do have a more Leftpondian feel, having that 'settler vibe' to them). [[Special:Contributions/82.132.238.56|82.132.238.56]] 10:48, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
 The W, O, P, O, ', R, O, A ,P all have clear exclaves. "A" and "R" seems to have two. However, it's unclear whether J and G are entirely exclaves, or possibly letters like "O" are doubly exclaved. If the answer to that is no, then that would mean there are 11 exclaves. Does anyone else agree with this assessment? [[User:Fephisto|Fephisto]] ([[User talk:Fephisto|talk]]) 17:43, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
 :No 'letter' is an exclave of Southlake, as I see it. The one "A" has two cut-out regions (let's assume these are all exclaves of East Valley, in leiu of any other info), the two "H"s have an exclave each, the "M" has an exclave, the two "N"s have an exclave each, three "O"s each have one exclave, both "P"s also, the "R" has two separate exclaves (topologically, like the "A") and the "W" has an exclave. Totalling fifteen (presumed) exclaves of East Valley within Southlake's nominal boundary, unless I've miscounted something (probably missed one, rather than repeated anything.
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 The explanation says "What logging would happen in the 'no man's land' between the letters is unclear (possibly none?), ...". I do not think that there is any no man's land between the letters. The land between the letters should belong to East Valley, as it is north of the border line. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:810D:9B99:7800:44E5:EA60:BFD9:E626|2A02:810D:9B99:7800:44E5:EA60:BFD9:E626]] 06:45, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

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	:As well as East Valley being in [[2548: Awful People]] (al9ng with mention of an unnamed lake/area near that lake), it is also in [[2553: Incident Report]].		:As well as East Valley being in [[2548: Awful People]] (al9ng with mention of an unnamed lake/area near that lake), it is also in [[2553: Incident Report]].
	:I wouldn't exactly classify it as a 'reference' to either, myself, but clearly it's some placename that Randall has made up (or appropriated, perhaps memetically mutated, from a handy 'Somewhere County, Somestate' archetype that he knows) when he needs a nondescript placename of a certain type. Like I sometimes use "Hill Valley", as various other works do (could be an original oxymoron imagined up independently, in various cases, could be a knowing/unknowing reference to BttF... though for me I actually [https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.981000/-2.682372 know a place] with that name... though haven't looked into if ''that'' was possibly named as a fan reference, if the chronology of it isn't older yet). [[Special:Contributions/82.132.238.117\|82.132.238.117]] 00:30, 24 April 2026 (UTC)		:I wouldn't exactly classify it as a 'reference' to either, myself, but clearly it's some placename that Randall has made up (or appropriated, perhaps memetically mutated, from a handy 'Somewhere County, Somestate' archetype that he knows) when he needs a nondescript placename of a certain type. Like I sometimes use "Hill Valley", as various other works do (could be an original oxymoron imagined up independently, in various cases, could be a knowing/unknowing reference to BttF... though for me I actually [https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.981000/-2.682372 know a place] with that name... though haven't looked into if ''that'' was possibly named as a fan reference, if the chronology of it isn't older yet). [[Special:Contributions/82.132.238.117\|82.132.238.117]] 00:30, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
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		+	The explanation says "What logging would happen in the 'no man's land' between the letters is unclear (possibly none?), ...". I do not think that there is any no man's land between the letters. The land between the letters should belong to East Valley, as it is north of the border line. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:810D:9B99:7800:44E5:EA60:BFD9:E626\|2A02:810D:9B99:7800:44E5:EA60:BFD9:E626]] 06:45, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

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 I think the county names are a reference to 2548 [[User:FluffyGuardian70|FluffyGuardian70]] ([[User talk:FluffyGuardian70|talk]]) 22:31, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
-:As well as South Valley being in [[2548: Awful People]] (al9ng with mention of an unnamed lake/area near that lake), it is also in [[2553: Incident Report]].
+:As well as East Valley being in [[2548: Awful People]] (al9ng with mention of an unnamed lake/area near that lake), it is also in [[2553: Incident Report]].
 :I wouldn't exactly classify it as a 'reference' to either, myself, but clearly it's some placename that Randall has made up (or appropriated, perhaps memetically mutated, from a handy 'Somewhere County, Somestate' archetype that he knows) when he needs a nondescript placename of a certain type. Like I sometimes use "Hill Valley", as various other works do (could be an original oxymoron imagined up independently, in various cases, could be a knowing/unknowing reference to BttF... though for me I actually [https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.981000/-2.682372 know a place] with that name... though haven't looked into if ''that'' was possibly named as a fan reference, if the chronology of it isn't older yet). [[Special:Contributions/82.132.238.117|82.132.238.117]] 00:30, 24 April 2026 (UTC)