Talk:459: Holy Ghost - Revision history

42.book.addict at 16:21, 5 November 2024

2024-11-05T16:21:13Z

172.69.195.181 at 17:43, 31 October 2024

2024-10-31T17:43:20Z

Apollo11 at 16:11, 31 October 2024

2024-10-31T16:11:53Z

Apollo11 at 16:10, 31 October 2024

2024-10-31T16:10:45Z

Apollo11 at 16:03, 31 October 2024

2024-10-31T16:03:19Z

172.69.195.170 at 21:54, 31 January 2024

2024-01-31T21:54:02Z

172.69.34.129 at 19:13, 31 January 2024

2024-01-31T19:13:49Z

The Cat Lady at 09:00, 15 August 2021

2021-08-15T09:00:51Z

108.162.215.216 at 09:33, 18 May 2020

2020-05-18T09:33:45Z

Trlkly: not the trinity that's the problem.

2016-03-28T23:50:44Z

not the trinity that's the problem.

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       Pope: Do you know how much scripture we'll have to revise?
-It isn't a problem. Trinitarian dogma isn't even peripheral to scripture. So the answer is: "None". I am sure that had there been cause for concern at least one comedian would have come up with it by now.
+It isn't a problem. Trinitarian dogma isn't even peripheral to scripture. So the answer is: "None". I am sure that had there been cause for concern at least one comedian would have come up with it by now. [[User:Weatherlawyer| I used Google News BEFORE it was clickbait]] ([[User talk:Weatherlawyer|talk]]) 09:46, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 : It's not the Trinity that's the issue. It's that the Bible talks a whole lot about the Holy Spirit. He is very important to the theology. If He can be trapped, it means the Bible got a lot of things wrong. [[User:Trlkly|Trlkly]] ([[User talk:Trlkly|talk]]) 23:50, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

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 :::::Sigh, The Jewish people were remarkable historans, memorizing thousands of pages of history each, and it was punishable by death to change them. Contrary to popular belief, the new testament is a actual historical book that got turned into a holy book because of its contents. Almost all of the books are letters written less than 40 years after Jesus' death, from one person to another, not as a lot of people belive, a tale about a long long ago similar to greek myths. Not only that, the Gospel books were all writen by eyewitnesses or by eyewtness testimony. That is all agreed with by everyone (all actual historans that is). Jesus was an actual person who actually clamed to be God and actally got crucified. This is all fact, in fact this is really remarkably recorded, its very rare to have ancent history recorded by eye witnesses. After Jesus got crucified, 50-500 some people all clamed to see him resurrected, somthing the Jews didn't belive in, and if they were lying about that, they just forfeted their place in heaven. After that, thousands of people (a lot of them were people who watched Jesus die and cheered) turned away from thousands of years tradition and belief, got tortured and killed for somthing that they themselves would have claimed impossible just a 3 years earlier. This is in handwritten letters, this is all historical fact, nobody can claim this didn't happen. It is ridiculous to argue about any of the above, you can follow the paper trail. What is worth argueing about is weither or not the Jews were fooled into their new religon or was it actally divine. But saying that "everything int he bible is made up or that its been mistranlated" is dumb (look up the redsea scrolls).
 :::::I don't like getting in "religous arguments" because nobody's mind is actally changed and everyone just gets mad at each other. But PLEASE do some research on the people and their writings your discussing, BEFORE drawing conclusions and squabbling with each other [[User:Apollo11|Apollo11]] ([[User talk:Apollo11|talk]]) 16:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
-[[User:Nk22|Nk22]]
+::::::There certainly is scholarly dispute about whether some of the books (or segments of books) were written within living memory (or living memory of living memory) of the depicted events. This doesn't necessarily invalidate the accounts, but neither would it validate them. It's clear that some events (e.g. the Nativity) are told in separate non-identicle accounts, which might be considered a "narrative choice" by the respective source authors (or those that compiled the sources), to exemplify a particular aspect of what was known. Or created as an allegory that conveyed that moment's intended spirit of the teachings.
-([[User talk:Nk22|talk]]) 11:18, 20 April 2015 (UTC)Woah
+Woah [[User:Nk22|Nk22]] ([[User talk:Nk22|talk]]) 11:18, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
-Why is the 2nd frame inverted?
+Why is the 2nd frame inverted? {{unsigned ip|108.162.215.216|09:33, 18 May 2020}}

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 ::::I have no problem with the Bible (and most other equivalents) suggesting that we all follow the line of "be good to each other". One should not mind which God/gods/elemental-philosophies people subscribe to if they do that. (c.f. that done to Aslan, in C.S. Lewis's "The Last Battle", and that is almost directly a theologically-inspired Jesus avatar anyway.) Not that everyone does that, with or without the Bible as their go-to. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.195.170|172.69.195.170]] 21:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 :::::Sigh, The Jewish people were remarkable historans, memorizing thousands of pages of history each, and it was punishable by death to change them. Contrary to popular belief, the new testament is a actual historical book that got turned into a holy book because of its contents. Almost all of the books are letters written less than 40 years after Jesus' death, from one person to another, not as a lot of people belive, a tale about a long long ago similar to greek myths. Not only that, the Gospel books were all writen by eyewitnesses or by eyewtness testimony. That is all agreed with by everyone (all actual historans that is). Jesus was an actual person who actually clamed to be God and actally got crucified. This is all fact, in fact this is really remarkably recorded, its very rare to have ancent history recorded by eye witnesses. After Jesus got crucified, 50-500 some people all clamed to see him resurrected, somthing the Jews didn't belive in, and if they were lying about that, they just forfeted their place in heaven. After that, thousands of people (a lot of them were people who watched Jesus die and cheered) turned away from thousands of years tradition and belief, got tortured and killed for somthing that they themselves would have claimed impossible just a 3 years earlier. This is in handwritten letters, this is all historical fact, nobody can claim this didn't happen. It is ridiculous to argue about any of the above, you can follow the paper trail. What is worth argueing about is weither or not the Jews were fooled into their new religon or was it actally divine. But saying that "everything int he bible is made up or that its been mistranlated" is dumb (look up the redsea scrolls).
-I don't like getting in "religous arguments" because nobody's mind is actally changed and everyone just gets mad at each other. But PLEASE do some research on the people and their writings your discussing, BEFORE drawing conclusions and squabbling with each other[[User:Apollo11|Apollo11]] ([[User talk:Apollo11|talk]]) 16:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
+:::::I don't like getting in "religous arguments" because nobody's mind is actally changed and everyone just gets mad at each other. But PLEASE do some research on the people and their writings your discussing, BEFORE drawing conclusions and squabbling with each other [[User:Apollo11|Apollo11]] ([[User talk:Apollo11|talk]]) 16:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
-[[User:Nk22|Nk22]] ([[User talk:Nk22|talk]]) 11:18, 20 April 2015 (UTC)Woah
+[[User:Nk22|Nk22]]
 Why is the 2nd frame inverted?

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 ::::Learning history from the Bible doesn't help, though. Anything that's not actually wrong is at least biased (and no room for updating with any newly attested understanding of, say, the socio-economic situation in Pharoah's Egypt) or unprovable (what did the leper ''actually'' say? ...and does it matter?). But given that (e.g.) Herod The Great died BC (4BC-1-BC, by best estimates) you have to decide that it was his son, or revise all the other book-inspired dating/event systems.
 ::::I have no problem with the Bible (and most other equivalents) suggesting that we all follow the line of "be good to each other". One should not mind which God/gods/elemental-philosophies people subscribe to if they do that. (c.f. that done to Aslan, in C.S. Lewis's "The Last Battle", and that is almost directly a theologically-inspired Jesus avatar anyway.) Not that everyone does that, with or without the Bible as their go-to. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.195.170|172.69.195.170]] 21:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
-:::::Sigh, The Jewish people were remarkable historans, memorizing thousands of pages of history each, and it was punishable by death to change them. Contrary to popular belief, the new testament is a actual historical book that got turned into a holy book because of its contents. Almost all of the books are letters written less than 40 years after Jesus' death, from one person to another, not as a lot of people belive, a tale about a long long ago similar to greek myths. Not only that, the Gospel books were all writen by eyewitnesses or by eyewtness testimony. That is all agreed with by everyone (all actual historans that is). Jesus was an actual person who actually clamed to be God and actally got crucified. This is all fact, in fact this is really remarkably recorded, its very rare to have ancent history recorded by eye witnesses. After Jesus got crucified, 50-500 some people all clamed to see him resurrected, somthing the Jews didn't belive in, and if they were lying about that, they just forfeted their place in heaven. After that, thousands of people (a lot of them were people who watched Jesus die and cheered) turned away from thousands of years tradition and belief, got tortured and killed for somthing that they themselves would have claimed impossible just a 3 years earlier. This is in handwritten letters, this is all historical fact, nobody can claim this didn't happen. It is ridiculous to argue about any of the above, you can follow the paper trail. What is worth argueing about is weither or not the Jews were fooled into their new religon or was it actally divine. But saying that "everything int he bible is made up or that its been mistranlated" is dumb (look up the redsea scrolls). [[User:Apollo11|Apollo11]] ([[User talk:Apollo11|talk]]) 16:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
+:::::Sigh, The Jewish people were remarkable historans, memorizing thousands of pages of history each, and it was punishable by death to change them. Contrary to popular belief, the new testament is a actual historical book that got turned into a holy book because of its contents. Almost all of the books are letters written less than 40 years after Jesus' death, from one person to another, not as a lot of people belive, a tale about a long long ago similar to greek myths. Not only that, the Gospel books were all writen by eyewitnesses or by eyewtness testimony. That is all agreed with by everyone (all actual historans that is). Jesus was an actual person who actually clamed to be God and actally got crucified. This is all fact, in fact this is really remarkably recorded, its very rare to have ancent history recorded by eye witnesses. After Jesus got crucified, 50-500 some people all clamed to see him resurrected, somthing the Jews didn't belive in, and if they were lying about that, they just forfeted their place in heaven. After that, thousands of people (a lot of them were people who watched Jesus die and cheered) turned away from thousands of years tradition and belief, got tortured and killed for somthing that they themselves would have claimed impossible just a 3 years earlier. This is in handwritten letters, this is all historical fact, nobody can claim this didn't happen. It is ridiculous to argue about any of the above, you can follow the paper trail. What is worth argueing about is weither or not the Jews were fooled into their new religon or was it actally divine. But saying that "everything int he bible is made up or that its been mistranlated" is dumb (look up the redsea scrolls).
 [[User:Nk22|Nk22]] ([[User talk:Nk22|talk]]) 11:18, 20 April 2015 (UTC)Woah
 Why is the 2nd frame inverted?

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 ::::Learning history from the Bible doesn't help, though. Anything that's not actually wrong is at least biased (and no room for updating with any newly attested understanding of, say, the socio-economic situation in Pharoah's Egypt) or unprovable (what did the leper ''actually'' say? ...and does it matter?). But given that (e.g.) Herod The Great died BC (4BC-1-BC, by best estimates) you have to decide that it was his son, or revise all the other book-inspired dating/event systems.
 ::::I have no problem with the Bible (and most other equivalents) suggesting that we all follow the line of "be good to each other". One should not mind which God/gods/elemental-philosophies people subscribe to if they do that. (c.f. that done to Aslan, in C.S. Lewis's "The Last Battle", and that is almost directly a theologically-inspired Jesus avatar anyway.) Not that everyone does that, with or without the Bible as their go-to. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.195.170|172.69.195.170]] 21:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
+:::::Sigh, The Jewish people were remarkable historans, memorizing thousands of pages of history each, and it was punishable by death to change them. Contrary to popular belief, the new testament is a actual historical book that got turned into a holy book because of its contents. Almost all of the books are letters written less than 40 years after Jesus' death, from one person to another, not as a lot of people belive, a tale about a long long ago similar to greek myths. Not only that, the Gospel books were all writen by eyewitnesses or by eyewtness testimony. That is all agreed with by everyone (all actual historans that is). Jesus was an actual person who actually clamed to be God and actally got crucified. This is all fact, in fact this is really remarkably recorded, its very rare to have ancent history recorded by eye witnesses. After Jesus got crucified, 50-500 some people all clamed to see him resurrected, somthing the Jews didn't belive in, and if they were lying about that, they just forfeted their place in heaven. After that, thousands of people (a lot of them were people who watched Jesus die and cheered) turned away from thousands of years tradition and belief, got tortured and killed for somthing that they themselves would have claimed impossible just a 3 years earlier. This is in handwritten letters, this is all historical fact, nobody can claim this didn't happen. It is ridiculous to argue about any of the above, you can follow the paper trail. What is worth argueing about is weither or not the Jews were fooled into their new religon or was it actally divine. But saying that "everything int he bible is made up or that its been mistranlated" is dumb (look up the redsea scrolls). [[User:Apollo11|Apollo11]] ([[User talk:Apollo11|talk]]) 16:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
 [[User:Nk22|Nk22]] ([[User talk:Nk22|talk]]) 11:18, 20 April 2015 (UTC)Woah
 Why is the 2nd frame inverted?

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 : It's not the Trinity that's the issue. It's that the Bible talks a whole lot about the Holy Spirit. He is very important to the theology. If He can be trapped, it means the Bible got a lot of things wrong. [[User:Trlkly|Trlkly]] ([[User talk:Trlkly|talk]]) 23:50, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 ::Uh, the Bible got <i>everything</i> wrong, it's fiction... [[User:The Cat Lady|-- The Cat Lady]] ([[User talk:The Cat Lady|talk]]) 09:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
-:::No it didn't; Even if you don't believe it's the infallible word of God (it is), you still need to except it as a book with potentially unreliable historical accounts of things that actually happened
+:::No it didn't; Even if you don't believe it's the infallible word of God (it is), you still need to except it as a book with potentially unreliable historical accounts of things that actually happened {{unsigned ip|172.69.34.129|19:13, 31 January 2024}}
 [[User:Nk22|Nk22]] ([[User talk:Nk22|talk]]) 11:18, 20 April 2015 (UTC)Woah
 Why is the 2nd frame inverted?

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