Talk:545: Neutrality Schmeutrality - Revision history

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172.68.42.160: Added the latest comment, the one with the string No Clue How To Add Comments. on it.. I think I did it right?

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172.68.205.151: Correcting (accidental?) deletion by the prior edit but one.

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Correcting (accidental?) deletion by the prior edit but one.

172.68.205.150: /* Word count in the comic */ For future reference. (Not properly signed. Could actually have added {{unsigned|Atlas|22:05, 1 November 2024}}, but didn't.)

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‎Word count in the comic: For future reference. (Not properly signed. Could actually have added {{unsigned|Atlas|22:05, 1 November 2024}}, but didn't.)

Atlas: Added a comment

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Sci09273.15 at 01:08, 9 October 2024

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162.158.87.70 at 08:51, 8 December 2022

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 What if instead of word count, it was determined by letter count. so insert a word with multiple spellings like “colour/color” and people will repeatedly edit and re-edit the word over and over until the servers crashed ? --[[User:ParadoX|ParadoX]] ([[User talk:ParadoX|talk]]) 09:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC)ParadoX
 ::Yea, it doesn’t matter either way; let the sheeple have fun herding cats while I camp in the banquet for the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auction_sniping last snipe].[[User:Pacerier|Pacerier]] ([[User talk:Pacerier|talk]]) 12:54, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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 the explanation's wordcount is even. [[User:Sci09273.15|Sci09273.15]] ([[User talk:Sci09273.15|talk]]) 01:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
-What would the actual result of trying this be? Probably better to test with a less controversial thing, like whether white chocolate should be considered real chocolate (it should be) and a clause like 'If this page does not exist, I'll use the word count of Philosophy instead'. No Clue How To Add Comments.
+What would the actual result of trying this be? Probably better to test with a less controversial thing, like whether white chocolate should be considered real chocolate (it should be) and a clause like 'If this page does not exist, I'll use the word count of Philosophy instead'. No Clue How To Add Comments. {{unsigned ip|172.68.42.160|13:46, 23 April 2025}}

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		+	What would the actual result of trying this be? Probably better to test with a less controversial thing, like whether white chocolate should be considered real chocolate (it should be) and a clause like 'If this page does not exist, I'll use the word count of Philosophy instead'. No Clue How To Add Comments.

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 I think that the idea is that the edit and re-editing would overload the servers without it being a change to a single word. [[User:Theo|Theo]] ([[User talk:Theo|talk]]) 21:06, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 :If Wikipedia’s aim is to take a neutral stance, and Wikipedia is being exploited to determine which of two opposing sides receives a donation, Wikipedia’s correct action would be to prevent the article from being written, thus enforcing Wikipedia’s stance on neutrality. [[User:Thokling|Thokling]] ([[User talk:Thokling|talk]]) 20:17, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
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 :An old (read “pre-internet”) meme, probably Yiddish, is to say a word, then replace the initial consonant cluster of the word with “schm” (read “shm”) and say the altered word. This denotes an active apathy toward the subject, that is, the speaker is deliberately disregarding the authority (for that is usually what is “regarded”) and doing their own thing, as Black Hat is doing here, disregarding the authority of Wikipedia’s stance on neutrality. If you were skipping school, and wanted to justify, you would say “School, Schmool”. If you were disobeying you’re Aunt Josephine, you would justify, to a confidant, “Aunt Josephine, Schmaunt Josephine”. Other examples include “God, Schmod”, “Copyrights, Schmopyrights” and “Feds, Schmeds”.
 :While I was familiar with this before him, Lemony Snicket’s third book of a Series of Unfortunate Events, ''The Wide Window’', explains it better than I do.
-:Anonymous 04:56, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
+:Anonymous {{unsigned ip|173.245.54.91|04:56, 4 December 2013 (UTC)}} 04:56, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 Easily fixed. Lock the article just before the deadline, flip a coin in a meeting of lots of Wikipedians, broadcast live. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.228.47|108.162.228.47]] 14:36, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
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 I think Wikipedia could just create two articles for the event, one for each side. That’d be neutral. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.226.34|198.41.226.34]] 20:51, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
-     Technically that would be content forking, which is banned. See WP:POVSPLIT. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.44|172.69.22.44]] 02:52, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
+Technically that would be content forking, which is banned. See WP:POVSPLIT. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.22.44|172.69.22.44]] 02:52, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 not trivia: its impossible to create an event that wikipedia can cover neutrally {{unsigned|Asha the gay knight}}
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 I am aghast at the fact that the anti-abortion group call themselves "pro-life" when they so clearly are pro-<i>death</i>! Restricting legal access to abortion kills women. This is a cold, hard fact. There is <i>no</i> disputing the fact that taking away women's access to reproductive health services is a death sentence. These hypocrites have a blooming great cheek calling themselves "pro-life" when in reality it is the complete opposite! [[User:The Cat Lady|-- The Cat Lady]] ([[User talk:The Cat Lady|talk]]) 14:26, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 :This isn't the place to argue about that. I'll just tell you (in case you didn't know) that generally speaking, people who call themselves pro-life take the idea that fetuses count as lives as an axiom of their worldview. So from their point of view they are illegalizing a certain type of death, and that's why they call themselves pro-life [[Special:Contributions/162.158.195.151|162.158.195.151]] 03:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 == Word count in the comic ==
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 Of course, this could be just a coincidence.
 --[[User:Iyhuvgug61|Iyhuvgug61]] ([[User talk:Iyhuvgug61|talk]]) 08:25, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 Black Hat said word count so if wikipedia just writes their article and then half of a word that would make the word count a decimal, which is neither even or odd. checkmate {{unsigned ip|108.162.241.9}}
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 :If you define even as being evenly divisible by two, and define odd as being not even, then including half of a word would mean the article has an odd word count. [[User:Atlas|Atlas]] 22:05, 1 November 2024
 the explanation's wordcount is even. [[User:Sci09273.15|Sci09273.15]] ([[User talk:Sci09273.15|talk]]) 01:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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 IIRC, this is exactly what Wikipedia distances from with its WP:NOTNEWS guidelines.
-  [[Special:Contributions/162.158.87.9|162.158.87.9]] 08:December 2022 (UTC)
+  [[Special:Contributions/162.158.87.9|162.158.87.9]] 08:46, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
 the explanation's wordcount is even. [[User:Sci09273.15|Sci09273.15]] ([[User talk:Sci09273.15|talk]]) 01:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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 :How do you define half a word? If it's something that's just not a full word (which of course would be edited into full existence, or out of it, when people spot it) then it would either count as a whitespace-delimited bunch of characters (another word, albeit nonsense) or not anything countable as a word (because it is sufficiently nonsense), depending upon the algorithm. No realistic algorithm would return a float value instead of ''some'' interpretation of an int one.
 :Though I suspect you're trolling (disregard of commentary conventions, an IP linked to a known pest, etc), and know this. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.155|172.70.162.155]] 18:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
-:If you define even as being evenly divisible by two, and define odd as being not even, then including half of a word would mean the article has an odd word count. [[User:Atlas|Atlas]]
+:If you define even as being evenly divisible by two, and define odd as being not even, then including half of a word would mean the article has an odd word count. [[User:Atlas|Atlas]] 22:05, 1 November 2024
 IIRC, this is exactly what Wikipedia distances from with its WP:NOTNEWS guidelines.
   [[Special:Contributions/162.158.87.9|162.158.87.9]] 08:December 2022 (UTC)
 the explanation's wordcount is even. [[User:Sci09273.15|Sci09273.15]] ([[User talk:Sci09273.15|talk]]) 01:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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 :Though I suspect you're trolling (disregard of commentary conventions, an IP linked to a known pest, etc), and know this. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.155|172.70.162.155]] 18:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
+the explanations word count is even.
 IIRC, this is exactly what Wikipedia distances from with its WP:NOTNEWS guidelines. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.87.9|162.158.87.9]] 08:46, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

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 I think that the idea is that the edit and re-editing would overload the servers without it being a change to a single word. [[User:Theo|Theo]] ([[User talk:Theo|talk]]) 21:06, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 :If Wikipedia’s aim is to take a neutral stance, and Wikipedia is being exploited to determine which of two opposing sides receives a donation, Wikipedia’s correct action would be to prevent the article from being written, thus enforcing Wikipedia’s stance on neutrality. [[User:Thokling|Thokling]] ([[User talk:Thokling|talk]]) 20:17, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
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 Lock the article mid-edit leaving a single word unfinished. That becomes a fraction of a word which is neit- [[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.217|173.245.55.217]] 16:02, 2 December 2013 (UTC)BK
 What the hell is Schmeutrality? ''Schmeu…'' looks very German to me, but I still have no idea about its meaning on this portmanteau. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:39, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
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 Also, what about hyphenated compound words where it can be debated whether or not they’re a single word? [[User:SuperSupermario24|<span style="color: #c21aff;">Just some random derp</span>]] 23:49, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 Maybe Black Hat is avoiding donating the money because he knows there will be a constant edit war. I am not quite sure enough to put it in the explanation. [[User:Jacky720|Jacky720]] ([[User talk:Jacky720|talk]]) 10:39, 19 September 2016 (UTC)