Talk:97: A Simple Plan - Revision history

Kazvorpal at 17:24, 29 January 2024

2024-01-29T17:24:40Z

Danger Kitty at 19:20, 14 November 2023

2023-11-14T19:20:35Z

172.71.130.212: Commented on the intent of Simple Plan's work and contributed a possible alternate interpretation of the comic

2023-09-18T14:11:39Z

Commented on the intent of Simple Plan's work and contributed a possible alternate interpretation of the comic

NoriMori at 11:02, 24 March 2023

2023-03-24T11:02:13Z

162.158.166.53 at 21:54, 23 August 2017

2017-08-23T21:54:12Z

162.158.166.53 at 21:51, 23 August 2017

2017-08-23T21:51:32Z

162.158.138.214: Added a message in the talk section regarding the age of the band members, noting that they were not as old when they released the song as the explanation says they were.

2016-08-25T00:38:00Z

Added a message in the talk section regarding the age of the band members, noting that they were not as old when they released the song as the explanation says they were.

108.162.218.118 at 02:48, 12 May 2016

2016-05-12T02:48:49Z

Dgbrt at 20:35, 27 May 2013

2013-05-27T20:35:42Z

18.215.1.197: Added comment

2013-05-26T22:00:29Z

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	:I think this is the "correct" interpretation of Simple Plan's work (if such a thing exists). I'm pretty sure they're catering to a teenage audience, relating to them in a way that lets them know "it's OK to have these feelings, you may think you're the only one hurting but you're not". Expecting 16 year-olds to have the musical talent and experience to perform these songs on a worldwide platform, let alone compose them, is a bit unreasonable in my opinion; so of course the artists were in their 20s at the time. In the comic, I think Cueball thinks the artists are manchildren, but another possible interpretation is that Cueball understands that they're young adults catering to teenagers, and his sudden disgust stems from insecurity and embarrassment in light of the realization that the band are better people than him for genuinely trying to be relatable to teenagers rather than mocking them. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.130.212\|172.71.130.212]] 14:11, 18 September 2023 (UTC)		:I think this is the "correct" interpretation of Simple Plan's work (if such a thing exists). I'm pretty sure they're catering to a teenage audience, relating to them in a way that lets them know "it's OK to have these feelings, you may think you're the only one hurting but you're not". Expecting 16 year-olds to have the musical talent and experience to perform these songs on a worldwide platform, let alone compose them, is a bit unreasonable in my opinion; so of course the artists were in their 20s at the time. In the comic, I think Cueball thinks the artists are manchildren, but another possible interpretation is that Cueball understands that they're young adults catering to teenagers, and his sudden disgust stems from insecurity and embarrassment in light of the realization that the band are better people than him for genuinely trying to be relatable to teenagers rather than mocking them. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.130.212\|172.71.130.212]] 14:11, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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		+	This makes me think of the {{w\|Fairly OddParents}} theme song: "Billy was an average kid, that no one understands"...the joke obviously being that the average child is average, ergo understood just fine, but they IMAGINE they are in some unique circumstance that nobody understands. — [[User:Kazvorpal\|Kazvorpal]] ([[User talk:Kazvorpal\|talk]]) 17:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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	It says the title text stated that the text wasn't written by teenagers. As it appears now, it just says "This is true. The lyrics are ridiculous". Nothing about the age of the people who wrote them (although knowing how such singers work, I seriously doubt that any of the group actually wrote anything themselves. Which not to say that the person who wrote it for them <i>was</i> a teenager either. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.218.118\|108.162.218.118]] 02:48, 12 May 2016 (UTC)		It says the title text stated that the text wasn't written by teenagers. As it appears now, it just says "This is true. The lyrics are ridiculous". Nothing about the age of the people who wrote them (although knowing how such singers work, I seriously doubt that any of the group actually wrote anything themselves. Which not to say that the person who wrote it for them <i>was</i> a teenager either. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.218.118\|108.162.218.118]] 02:48, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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		+	Shouldn't there be the lyrics to the song here?[[User:Danger Kitty\|Danger Kitty]] ([[User talk:Danger Kitty\|talk]])

	I think it's also important to note that the band members were in their mid-20's when they released this song (23-25, according to Wikipedia). Still a tad bit too old to be singing about teen angst, but not quite as "ridiculous" as if they were in their 30's. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.138.214\|162.158.138.214]] 00:38, 25 August 2016 (UTC)		I think it's also important to note that the band members were in their mid-20's when they released this song (23-25, according to Wikipedia). Still a tad bit too old to be singing about teen angst, but not quite as "ridiculous" as if they were in their 30's. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.138.214\|162.158.138.214]] 00:38, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

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	Am I the only one who thinks it's incredibly weird to assume that we're supposed to interpret the song as being from ''their own perspective?'' And not only that, but from their perspective at the exact point in time they released the song? Sure, many songs ''are'' about the singer. But plenty aren't. The All-American Rejects have written songs about "drama and turmoil" that they've never experienced. The songs aren't parody, but that doesn't mean the songs are ''about them''. And even when a song ''is'' about the singer, it isn't always about them at ''that exact moment''; it might be about something that happened years ago. The judgemental attitude in the comic is based on a fallacy that's even more ridiculous than "experiencing angst as an adult" (which I would argue isn't actually ridiculous in the first place, but, one fallacy at a time). I wonder if Randall (or the viewpoint character, if it's not Randall; I must practise what I preach!) would have an aneurysm if he ever heard "I'm Just a Kid", which not only is even more angsty, but also could not possibly make it more clear that it's not from the singers' perspective at that exact moment in time. [[User:NoriMori\|NoriMori]] ([[User talk:NoriMori\|talk]]) 11:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)		Am I the only one who thinks it's incredibly weird to assume that we're supposed to interpret the song as being from ''their own perspective?'' And not only that, but from their perspective at the exact point in time they released the song? Sure, many songs ''are'' about the singer. But plenty aren't. The All-American Rejects have written songs about "drama and turmoil" that they've never experienced. The songs aren't parody, but that doesn't mean the songs are ''about them''. And even when a song ''is'' about the singer, it isn't always about them at ''that exact moment''; it might be about something that happened years ago. The judgemental attitude in the comic is based on a fallacy that's even more ridiculous than "experiencing angst as an adult" (which I would argue isn't actually ridiculous in the first place, but, one fallacy at a time). I wonder if Randall (or the viewpoint character, if it's not Randall; I must practise what I preach!) would have an aneurysm if he ever heard "I'm Just a Kid", which not only is even more angsty, but also could not possibly make it more clear that it's not from the singers' perspective at that exact moment in time. [[User:NoriMori\|NoriMori]] ([[User talk:NoriMori\|talk]]) 11:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
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		+	:I think this is the "correct" interpretation of Simple Plan's work (if such a thing exists). I'm pretty sure they're catering to a teenage audience, relating to them in a way that lets them know "it's OK to have these feelings, you may think you're the only one hurting but you're not". Expecting 16 year-olds to have the musical talent and experience to perform these songs on a worldwide platform, let alone compose them, is a bit unreasonable in my opinion; so of course the artists were in their 20s at the time. In the comic, I think Cueball thinks the artists are manchildren, but another possible interpretation is that Cueball understands that they're young adults catering to teenagers, and his sudden disgust stems from insecurity and embarrassment in light of the realization that the band are better people than him for genuinely trying to be relatable to teenagers rather than mocking them. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.130.212\|172.71.130.212]] 14:11, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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	I think it's also important to note that the band members were in their mid-20's when they released this song (23-25, according to Wikipedia). Still a tad bit too old to be singing about teen angst, but not quite as "ridiculous" as if they were in their 30's. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.138.214\|162.158.138.214]] 00:38, 25 August 2016 (UTC)		I think it's also important to note that the band members were in their mid-20's when they released this song (23-25, according to Wikipedia). Still a tad bit too old to be singing about teen angst, but not quite as "ridiculous" as if they were in their 30's. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.138.214\|162.158.138.214]] 00:38, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
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		+	Am I the only one who thinks it's incredibly weird to assume that we're supposed to interpret the song as being from ''their own perspective?'' And not only that, but from their perspective at the exact point in time they released the song? Sure, many songs ''are'' about the singer. But plenty aren't. The All-American Rejects have written songs about "drama and turmoil" that they've never experienced. The songs aren't parody, but that doesn't mean the songs are ''about them''. And even when a song ''is'' about the singer, it isn't always about them at ''that exact moment''; it might be about something that happened years ago. The judgemental attitude in the comic is based on a fallacy that's even more ridiculous than "experiencing angst as an adult" (which I would argue isn't actually ridiculous in the first place, but, one fallacy at a time). I wonder if Randall (or the viewpoint character, if it's not Randall; I must practise what I preach!) would have an aneurysm if he ever heard "I'm Just a Kid", which not only is even more angsty, but also could not possibly make it more clear that it's not from the singers' perspective at that exact moment in time. [[User:NoriMori\|NoriMori]] ([[User talk:NoriMori\|talk]]) 11:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

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−	My interpretation is that it is physically impossible to feel another person's body and thoughts, hence the line "You don't know what it's like to be me" is true.	+	My interpretation is that it is physically impossible to feel another person's body and thoughts, hence the line "You don't know what it's like to be me" is true. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.166.53\|162.158.166.53]] 21:54, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

	I seriously doubt that this is the correct interpretation. Simple Plan's stereotypical bubblegum punk whiny teenager lyrics at first listen could pass for a parody, mocking the ridiculousness of 30 year olds complaining about homework and chores. But they aren't being ironic. They're being serious. Am I wrong here? Tell me I'm wrong. {{unsigned ip\|70.67.175.61}}		I seriously doubt that this is the correct interpretation. Simple Plan's stereotypical bubblegum punk whiny teenager lyrics at first listen could pass for a parody, mocking the ridiculousness of 30 year olds complaining about homework and chores. But they aren't being ironic. They're being serious. Am I wrong here? Tell me I'm wrong. {{unsigned ip\|70.67.175.61}}

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		+	My interpretation is that it is physically impossible to feel another person's body and thoughts, hence the line "You don't know what it's like to be me" is true.
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	I seriously doubt that this is the correct interpretation. Simple Plan's stereotypical bubblegum punk whiny teenager lyrics at first listen could pass for a parody, mocking the ridiculousness of 30 year olds complaining about homework and chores. But they aren't being ironic. They're being serious. Am I wrong here? Tell me I'm wrong. {{unsigned ip\|70.67.175.61}}		I seriously doubt that this is the correct interpretation. Simple Plan's stereotypical bubblegum punk whiny teenager lyrics at first listen could pass for a parody, mocking the ridiculousness of 30 year olds complaining about homework and chores. But they aren't being ironic. They're being serious. Am I wrong here? Tell me I'm wrong. {{unsigned ip\|70.67.175.61}}

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	It says the title text stated that the text wasn't written by teenagers. As it appears now, it just says "This is true. The lyrics are ridiculous". Nothing about the age of the people who wrote them (although knowing how such singers work, I seriously doubt that any of the group actually wrote anything themselves. Which not to say that the person who wrote it for them <i>was</i> a teenager either. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.218.118\|108.162.218.118]] 02:48, 12 May 2016 (UTC)		It says the title text stated that the text wasn't written by teenagers. As it appears now, it just says "This is true. The lyrics are ridiculous". Nothing about the age of the people who wrote them (although knowing how such singers work, I seriously doubt that any of the group actually wrote anything themselves. Which not to say that the person who wrote it for them <i>was</i> a teenager either. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.218.118\|108.162.218.118]] 02:48, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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		+	I think it's also important to note that the band members were in their mid-20's when they released this song (23-25, according to Wikipedia). Still a tad bit too old to be singing about teen angst, but not quite as "ridiculous" as if they were in their 30's. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.138.214\|162.158.138.214]] 00:38, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

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	:Yes, that lyric is indeed in the song. But Randall is reflecting on the hilariously ironic "stereotypical bubblegum punk whiny teenager lyrics" as described above, not the bizarre explanation you have above. I understand if you're a Simple Plan fan, but judging by this comic Randall isn't. [[Special:Contributions/18.215.1.197\|18.215.1.197]] 22:00, 26 May 2013 (UTC)		:Yes, that lyric is indeed in the song. But Randall is reflecting on the hilariously ironic "stereotypical bubblegum punk whiny teenager lyrics" as described above, not the bizarre explanation you have above. I understand if you're a Simple Plan fan, but judging by this comic Randall isn't. [[Special:Contributions/18.215.1.197\|18.215.1.197]] 22:00, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
	::Sorry I am late, but it seems we are just living at different time zones. I am not native English because I am from Germany, but I thought that "teenage angst" also mentioned at the Wiki page should stay at this explanation. I was also hoping someone else would participate here at this discussion. So I am sure we will find the REAL explain. I am with you. --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 20:35, 27 May 2013 (UTC)		::Sorry I am late, but it seems we are just living at different time zones. I am not native English because I am from Germany, but I thought that "teenage angst" also mentioned at the Wiki page should stay at this explanation. I was also hoping someone else would participate here at this discussion. So I am sure we will find the REAL explain. I am with you. --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 20:35, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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		+	It says the title text stated that the text wasn't written by teenagers. As it appears now, it just says "This is true. The lyrics are ridiculous". Nothing about the age of the people who wrote them (although knowing how such singers work, I seriously doubt that any of the group actually wrote anything themselves. Which not to say that the person who wrote it for them <i>was</i> a teenager either. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.218.118\|108.162.218.118]] 02:48, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

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	:Yes, that lyric is indeed in the song. But Randall is reflecting on the hilariously ironic "stereotypical bubblegum punk whiny teenager lyrics" as described above, not the bizarre explanation you have above. I understand if you're a Simple Plan fan, but judging by this comic Randall isn't. [[Special:Contributions/18.215.1.197\|18.215.1.197]] 22:00, 26 May 2013 (UTC)		:Yes, that lyric is indeed in the song. But Randall is reflecting on the hilariously ironic "stereotypical bubblegum punk whiny teenager lyrics" as described above, not the bizarre explanation you have above. I understand if you're a Simple Plan fan, but judging by this comic Randall isn't. [[Special:Contributions/18.215.1.197\|18.215.1.197]] 22:00, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
		+	::Sorry I am late, but it seems we are just living at different time zones. I am not native English because I am from Germany, but I thought that "teenage angst" also mentioned at the Wiki page should stay at this explanation. I was also hoping someone else would participate here at this discussion. So I am sure we will find the REAL explain. I am with you. --[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 20:35, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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	The interpretation is absolutely correct. Check this video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt0WP9ZBNiY], you will find this text "You don't know what it's like to be like me" in the lyrics.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 13:16, 26 May 2013 (UTC)		The interpretation is absolutely correct. Check this video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt0WP9ZBNiY], you will find this text "You don't know what it's like to be like me" in the lyrics.--[[User:Dgbrt\|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt\|talk]]) 13:16, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
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		+	:Yes, that lyric is indeed in the song. But Randall is reflecting on the hilariously ironic "stereotypical bubblegum punk whiny teenager lyrics" as described above, not the bizarre explanation you have above. I understand if you're a Simple Plan fan, but judging by this comic Randall isn't. [[Special:Contributions/18.215.1.197\|18.215.1.197]] 22:00, 26 May 2013 (UTC)