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Revision as of 10:57, 25 May 2015

Bracket
I'm staring at the "doctor" section, and I can't help but feel like I've forgotten someone.
Title text: I'm staring at the "doctor" section, and I can't help but feel like I've forgotten someone.


Explanation

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If you can address this issue, please edit the page! Thanks.

A Tournament bracket shows the planned series of games in a tournament. In this comic Randall has shown a plan for a tournament between a wide range of cultural icons, both real and fictional, based mostly on similarities in their names. Various internet groups have speculated on who would win in a fight between characters from different films. It may be relevant that the film Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is soon to be released.

The title text is likely a reference to Dr. Dre, particularly as a reference to his 2001 song "Forgot About Dre". Additionally, the title text could simply be a reference to the large number of pop culture references that include the word "Doctor" to include Dr. J, Dr. Pepper, and Doctor Doom, among others.

Transcript

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Louis Armstrong
Neil Armstrong
Lance Armstrong
Stretch Armstrong
Jeff Gordan
Jeff Bridges
Jeff Daniels
Jack Daniels
Orson Welles
H.G. Wells
Geroge Orwell
wells Fargo
Kurt Russell
Russell Brand
Russell Crowe
Russell Simmons
Richard Simmons
Gene Simmons
Gene Hackman
Hugh Jackman
Alan Rickman
Alan Parsons
Alan Partridge
Jenny McCarthy
Joseph McCarthy
Eugene McCarthy
Eugene V. Debs
Gene Wilder
Olivia Wilde
Oscar Wilde
Oscar De La Renta
Oscar De La Hoya
Jack Nicklaus
Jack Nicholson
Phil Mickelson
Nicholas Nickelby
Ryan Adams
Bryan Adams
Chubby Checker
Fats Domino
Colin Firth
Colin Farrell
Will Ferrell
The Farrelly Brothers
Joseph Gordon-Levitt
Jennifer Love Hewitt
Danny Glover
Donald Glover
Donnie Wahlberg
Mark Wahlberg
Mark Ruffalo
Mark Shuttleworth
Philip Pullman
Bill Pullman
Bill Paxton
Bill Murray
Dan Aykroyd
Ginger Rogers
Mister/Fred Astaire/Rogers
Mister Spock
Doctor Spock
Doctor Octopus
Doctor Manhatten
Doctor Strangelove
Doctor Strange
Dr. No
The Doctor
Cory Doctorow
Jerry Lee Lewis
Jerry Lewis
Jenny Lewis
Xeni Jardin
Chris Evans
Chris Hemsworth
Chris Pine
Chris Pratt
Shallots
Scallops
Scallions
Siouxie Sioux
Suzanne Vega
Tom Arnold
Arnold Palmer
Amanda Palmer
Wes Craven
Wes Anderson
Paul Thomas Anderson
Poul Anderson
Sir Walter Scott
Sir Walter Raleigh
Sir Francis Drake
Frank Drake
Van Halen
Van Morrison
Van Wilder
Robert Van Winkle
Rip Van Winkle
Rip Torn
Natalie Imbruglia
The Body Shop
Bath and Body Works
Bed Bath and Beyond
Beyond Thunderdome
Beyoncé


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Discussion

Interesting to me that no one has noted the order of the doctors. Doctor Octopus is from a comic, Doctor Manhattan is from a graphic novel and, trying to avoid spoilers here, the atomic bomb plays a key role in the story. The atomic bomb was the product of the Manhattan project (a fact not lost on Alan Moore), and the subject of the movie referenced by the next line, Dr Strangelove ("or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"). I can't believe this order is arbitrary. 173.245.48.108 04:55, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

What's the connection between Rip Torn and Natalie Imbruglia? 108.162.238.183 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Answer: Her song, Torn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV1XWJN3nJo- -- Stumpy (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Rip Torn could have a preliminary match with Prof. Lance Rips -- Mitch Marks uchicago (talk) 16:34, 25 May 2015 (UTC) (please sign your posts appropriately with the appropriate user and talk page links using ~~~~. the original signature was an inexistent template.)

Any pairings that you'd add, given the opportunity? Personally I always confuse Wilson Pickett and Wilson Phillips. Studley (talk) 08:28, 25 May 2015 (UTC) Will Ferrell and Pharrell Williams for me! - -- Stumpy (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~) Bill Paxton should be followed by Bill Bixby... 108.162.254.92 09:10, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

How about George Washington and George Washington Carver? and the George Washington Bridge?

At one time, the White House had both a Donald Regan and a Ronald Reagan.108.162.215.190 17:14, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Why do some first round pairings have more than two people? Beyoncé starts at the third round, so it can't be just because of the number of people. There has to be a joke in them but I don't see it. --141.101.104.176 08:45, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Possibly an in-joke at the NCAA bracket's First Four round. Mister/Fred Astaire/Rogers is a more "traditional" reference to the First Four. 108.162.219.103 10:32, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Beyoncé starts first, before the first round. She's singing the national anthem before the players start competing. She doesn't compete until the third road because she needs time to change clothes since you don't wear the same thing to sing the national anthem as you wear as a competitor.  :-) 108.162.215.189 04:22, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps it's worth adding to a trivia section that (assuming every person/thing has an equal chance of winning every matchup, Beyonce has the highest odds of winning (1/32 = 3.125%) while Kurt Russell, Russell Crowe, Russell Brand, and Russell Simmons are all tied for having the worst starting odds (1/256 = .391%).108.162.219.91 09:19, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I may be worth mentioning that the bracketing trees resemble hierarchical clustering dendrograms in which some string similarity metric was used as a distance function. 141.101.91.7 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Although the comic is formatted as a tournament bracket, there are hints that it is in fact a dendrogram based on string similarity, in a similar way to how trees of evolutionary relationships between proteins are formed. We see this especially in the "Russell" group where there is equal similarity between any name containing "Russell" and so that group is not resolved into two separate forks. If readers wish to recreate such an analysis for themselves they can take the text on here paste it into a multiple sequence aligner, press Submit, then after processing click Phylogenetic Tree and scroll down. 141.101.99.74 12:46, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Somewhat disagree. There is no "string similarity" between domino and checker. The connection between the names seems to be that there are games named Dominos and Checkers. They would not be together if it was based on strictly on string similarity or generated automatically by software without human intervention.108.162.215.190 17:09, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Is there any significance to the number of entries? 52 on the left side but only 51 on the right? 108.162.216.84 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Should it be noted at all that Chubby Checker's name was inspired by Fats Domino? 108.162.215.121 21:05, 26 May 2015 (UTC)Akiosama

Title text

Changed the reference of the Title Text from Doctor Who (who is already listed in the comic) to Dr. Dre, as the phrasing of the Title Text seems like a very direct reference to the 2001 song "Forgot About Dre." -- Conquistador (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Probably would have been better to add it as an option since we're clearly far from certain - -- Stumpy (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Why not Zoidberg? --RhyvenNZ 198.41.238.41 09:55, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Pretty sure Doctor Who is covered by "The Doctor". He doesn't go by "Who" in the show. He's just the Doctor. I think the missing doctor is House. 108.162.215.127 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Dr. Pepper, maybe? Does "staring" or "forgotten" have to do with it? 108.162.237.156 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Whatagainnow? 108.162.222.178 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Dr. Oz? Dr. Phil? Dr. Watson? Dr. Kavorkian? Dr. Seuss? Wasn't there a famous literary work, The Lost Island of Dr. Moreau? I agree that Dr. House and/or house calls could be a missing candidate for the bracket. But then, there are a ton of 'Sirs' that didn't make the list. -- GAKDragon (talk) (please sign your posts appropriately with the appropriate user and talk page links using ~~~~)

Doctor Teeth! Jarod997 (talk) 13:50, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Pete Docter? 108.162.249.191 11:27, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Or is "The Doctor" http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doctor? 108.162.215.108 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

The Doctor is already in the bracket. --141.101.99.49 10:40, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

It's Doctor House - definitely and finally! -- Raydleemsc (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Definitely "Doc" Brown: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Brown 108.162.221.171 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

It's clearly Dr. Doolittle. Can't imagine why no one has realized this yet. 108.162.238.193 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Could the joke simply be "there are way too many famous doctors", so even though it's arguably the most numerous category in the bracket, some are still "forgotten"? 108.162.254.164 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Probably not talking about doctor who, however he could be referencing The Silence, which is a an alien race, on that show, which you immediately forget about after losing sight of it. -- KroniK907 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

I immediately thought of Amy's wedding in Dr Who S5Ep13 where she needed to remember the doctor to bring him back. Too obscure? Blu003 (talk) 13:07, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Hardly. You want obscure, try The Doctor's granddaughter. Yep, he had/has one. --108.162.237.144 13:41, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Dr. Martha Jones, from Doctor Who? The Doctor Donna? Even the companions on the show are Doctors. 108.162.222.178 03:55, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm disappointed that no one thought of Julius "Dr. J" Irving, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Erving given the similarity to a Basketball tournament style graphic. 108.162.219.165 17:35, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

When this comic first went up, I emailed xkcd the same day to say that "Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman" had been missed out. -- @WPSCrimsonshade 20:48, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Y'know, I can't help but feel that this is a little to bland and unfinished for xkcd. I'm willing to bet that the picture updates with winners. May be sorely disappointed though. 108.162.219.119 15:02, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Can't help but feel that there's a better way to lay this explanation out, but I haven't been able to come up with it. Maybe some sort of table listing all the different groups, with people allowed to be in more than one group? 141.101.98.232 15:18, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I personally don't love the large listing of people. It is a bit bland, but more importantly, it doesn't really show the linkages between the participants (though most people ought to be able to figure out these overt links Jeff Gordon... Jeff Daniels... it doesn't need explanation. That said, the current format doesn't quite demonstrate the chain-link nature of some matchups like:
  • Body Shop
  • Bath and Body Works
  • Bed Bath & Beyond
  • Beyond Thunderdome
  • Beyoncé.
I wouldn't mind a format with that kind of bolding. I think that shows the chain of links better than the first to being grouped "businesses with the word "body" and the second two "things with the word beyond" and "Beyoncé" separately. Similarly, Jeff Daniels belongs to both the "Jeff"s and the "J. Daniels"es. TheHYPO (talk) 15:48, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I wouldn't categorize Fats Domino and Chubby Checker (just) as games. Given that they're directly under Ryan Adams and Bryan Adams, I'd have identified them as 50's singers, with some physical similarities. KenWhitesell (talk) 16:17, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Agree. I put in the identification about games without knowing who Chubby Checker was.108.162.215.190 17:09, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Then you are one of today's lucky 10,000! 1053 Chubby CheckerZeimusu (talk) 21:32, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
celebrity deathmatch

This reminds me of Celebrity Deathmatch. Then have:

  • Charles Manson vs. Marilyn Manson
  • Backstreet Boys vs. Beastie Boys
  • The Three Stooges vs. The Three Tenors
  • Kevin Costner vs. Kevin Smith
  • John Cusack vs. John Malkovich
  • David Blaine vs. David Copperfield
  • Corey Feldman vs. Corey Haim
  • Jack Black vs. Jack White

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Celebrity_Deathmatch_episodes -- Bart9h (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Who is Jeff Gordan? There's an extremely famous NASCAR driver named Jeff Gordon, but I don't know of a Jeff Gordan. Significant or typo? 108.162.238.182 16:07, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Where is Colin Furze? And Arnold Swarzenegger? And all other people I never heard of? -- 141.101.104.116 21:12, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

What about my favourite triple: Robbie Williams, Robin Williams and Robyn Williams? -- Ian N. 162.158.3.11 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

And who can forget Dermot Mulroney and Dylan mcDermott?108.162.254.164 09:34, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

This is a major "Get Out Of My Head, Randall" comic for me. The day before this comic was posted, my friend and I were discussing a "Hunger Games" type simulation being done on 8chan involving loads and loads of characters across genres, and he had asked me about the probability of a particular match-up occurring with a desired outcome. It led to a long and detailed math conversation. The original match-up has been bumped out of existence, but this image still lives on. Appropriately, the comic was posted on my birthday. 2spooky4me. 108.162.210.177 06:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

It reminds me of a song - The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WgT9gy4zQA Elektrizikekswerk (talk) 13:59, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I would have added Amanda Plummer. Will confuse Plummer with Palmer any day. 108.162.249.191 23:19, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Just as well we don't have to deal with Paul Ryan - Ayn Rand - Rand Paul...Ron Paul, Les Paul, Saint Paul, John Paul, John Paul Jones...Wolfgang Pauli, Pollyanna...Taibhse (talk) 11:41, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Surprised Tommy Lee and Tommy Lee Jones aren't there. 108.162.238.124 12:31, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Personally I think its pointless having the probabilities listed as if they mean something. We don't know what the competition is, but its almost certain that the result of say 'The Body Shop' vs Beyonce is not going to be a 50:50 probability. --Pudder (talk) 15:41, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Are the probabilities listed half what they should be? 108.162.237.165 17:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Mister/Fred Astaire/Rogers also refers to "Mr. Rogers" of Mr. Rogers Neighborhood. I don't think there's a reference for the last combination, "Mister Astaire", other than to Fred Astaire.

Kevin Kline vs. Calvin Klein would also have made a good match. --108.162.229.88 20:15, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

What about Johnny Cash v Johnny Paycheck? To which one could then add Johnny Carson v Johnny Unitas v Johnny Depp? 173.245.48.98 16:36, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


Cory Doctorow described as "real person"?

Well, yeah, but he's famous for some actual things. Perhaps "blogger and author" would better describe him. 141.101.98.143 22:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

What about the Silents from series 6 of Doctor Who? 108.162.250.144 04:20, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm disappointed John McCarthy isn't there. 173.245.52.127 12:46, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

While I'm of the opinion that the doctor he is "forgetting" is CLEARLY Dr. Dre, I can see why we put the rest of the doctors on there since we don't know for sure. However, I'm removing the multiple long, rambling, and unnecessary references to The Doctor since he's already listed. Ul2006kevinb (talk) 16:43, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't agree with the removal to be honest. I agree it got a bit long-winded, but the Doctor still could be either one of the two (Doctor Who and ST:Voyager). To then ask the question "Doctor Who?" would be a very valid joke/ question imho. Also, the list is now again referring to him as "Dr. Who", whereas his name is simply "the Doctor". 141.101.75.107 01:39, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Dr. Livingstone, I presume? --Eraoul (talk) 07:28, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

This description probably needs to be updated with the factoid given in https://twitter.com/xkcdbracket/status/612221512133816320, if it can be verified 141.101.99.87 12:34, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

It should be updated with "The Doctor, alien explorer of time" [1] Dorus (talk) 09:29, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Am I the only one who thinks that the Transcript shouldn't be updated to match the unofficial Twitter Bracket feed? It should be on the page, but the transcript section should be related to the comic as it appears on xkcd.com only. --Pudder (talk) 09:47, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

No that is correct. The transcript is always only what occurs on the original comic at xkcd. I have corrected the error. If someone wish to do a trivia section on the result they should feel free to include that. I have linked to the twitter account in the explanation as it is interesting since Randall links to it on xkcd. The trivia entry could be linked from that paragraph. --Kynde (talk) 12:43, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Two comments: First, if that is the case, then several pages need to be updated; the fact that wetriffs.com was created in response to 305: Rule 34 is not "in the comic itself" nor is the fact that Randall was responsible for (another example, 1485: Friendship triggered a movement to delete the wikipedia Bromance article - and a third example 1190: Time triggered multiple twitter followings and web communities that are referenced in the explanation); if we purge #xkcdbracket from this, we need to purge all of those too for consistency. Second, transcript is what happens in the comic, but explanation includes background and consequences of comic; this consequence was featured by Randall for several weeks, if that's not canon, then nothing is. I have moved the explanation to trivia as requested, but filled in the victor. If you want to remove, please discuss first and also clean up the other pages I just listed. Djbrasier (talk) 15:43, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
More pages that need to be purged of references to internet consequences and followings inspired by comics: 1185 inspired someone to make stacksort, 239 inspired people to photoshop capes onto Cory Doctorow, Little Bobby Tables refers to a website created (not by Randall) to teach people to properly sanitize database inputs, 1167 inspired wikipedia vandalism that temporarily caused a page to be protected (as did 1193) 576 inspired someone to create a service that does what is described, I'm sure that given 10 more minutes I could find 10 more examples. None of these were featured as banners on the xkcd.com page by Randall and yet all are in explainxkcd.com. Please remove all of those references from explainxkcd.com (as well as fixing 305, 1485, and 1190 before deleting the reference to #xkcdbracket on this page. Djbrasier (talk) 16:04, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
I do not know what I (or Pudder) wrote to get this response from Djbrasier. I agreed that the transcript should not be updated to match the brackets on the twitter account, and that the results written in the transcript (full results with results of all individual matches, that I removed when updating the transcript to look more like the comic) should be in the trivia if anyone wished them to be on this page. I do not think there is anything wrong (and also wrote that) with linking to the bracket. I actually linked my self to that bracket on twitter. And I don't even think the link should be a trivia item as it is important since Randall links to it. But the results (apart from the final, which is fine to have in the main explanation) is not for the explanation and definitely not for the transcript. So all the other pages and talk you write about purging explain xkcd from what happens because of xkcd has nothing to do with the subject here. And of course these thing should be a part of this page. So we agree on that! --Kynde (talk) 09:18, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

NOOOOO!! I bet everything on Scallions!Saspic45 (talk) 11:14, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

No love for Sandra Day O'Connor and Sinead O'Connor? They're practically the same person! 162.158.62.243 00:59, 29 March 2018 (UTC)My winner is George Orwell.162.158.62.243 00:59, 29 March 2018 (UTC)