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The size of the US's PIPELINES
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If each fluid produced or consumed in the US had to be carried by a single pipe.
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Assuming they all flowed at the same speed of about 4 m/s
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Note: Many pipelines would overlap (e.g. soda/corn syrup)
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Actual size: (Diameters Listed) - Someone check my numbers!
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Toothpaste: 35mm
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Nail Polish: 5mm
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Windsheild washer fluid: 60mm
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Silly Putty: 2mm
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Shampoo: 40mm
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Honey: 50mm
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Donated Blood: 10mm
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Vanilla: 5mm
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Personal Lubricant: 7mm
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Sunscreen: 14mm
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Mayo: 45mm
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Printer Ink: 13mm
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Maple Syrup: 18mm
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Ketchup: 55mm
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Salsa: 36mm
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LCD Liquid: 3mm
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Conditioner: 25mm
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Mustard: 38mm
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Liquid Soap: 50mm
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Olive Oil: 62mm
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Not Actual Size: (Scaling of the liquid soap shows 25:1 scaling has been applied to these pipelines)
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Coffee: 750mm
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Peanut Butter: 125mm
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Cheese: 475mm
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Ice Cream: 250mm
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Acetone: 300mm
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Gasoline: 3m
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Liquor: 200mm
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Soda: 1.03m
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Yogurt: 225mm
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Milk (Cow): 1.38m
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Bottled Water: 900mm
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Sugar: 513mm
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Saliva: 1.08m
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Wine: 250mm
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HFCS: 263mm
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MIlk (Human): 150mm
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Petroleum: 4.05m
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Meat (mostly solid): 750mm
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Glass* (Solid at room temperature): 325mm
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Beer: 450mm
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Cement: 1.00m
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Tea: 525mm
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Public Water: 83.41m
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Pipe has rise of 75mm over span of 5m.  Per the formula given [http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/564058/calculate-the-radius-of-a-circle-given-the-chord-length-and-height-of-a-segment here], the diameter should be 83.408m.  Rounding to sig figs above gives 83.41m
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This has not been verified - just me with a taper measure on the computer screen.  Additional help would be appreciated. --[[Special:Contributions/188.114.106.47|188.114.106.47]] 19:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
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Revision as of 19:59, 29 February 2016

Pipelines
In the future, every single pipeline will lead to the bowl of a giant blender, and we'll all just show up with a bucket each day to take our share of the resulting smoothie.
Title text: In the future, every single pipeline will lead to the bowl of a giant blender, and we'll all just show up with a bucket each day to take our share of the resulting smoothie.

Explanation

Ambox notice.png This explanation may be incomplete or incorrect: Much more explanation needed including a table with all the items and coments on the size. And what it a typical computer screen resolution? Some of the current paragraphs (at this moment the two last regarding soup and what if) should probably be a comment or trivia entry.
If you can address this issue, please edit the page! Thanks.

Follows a similar idea to the what if? Niagara Straw, (from three days before this comic's release), where the entire water flow over Niagara Falls is imagined to flow through a straw (7 mm diameter, and to disastrous results). Here Randall imagines what size pipes are necessary to carry US domestic production/consumption of various fluids if the flow rate were fixed at 4 meters per second. Randall notes that "many pipes would overlap", owing to the fact that consumption of one item as corn syrup would be due to the production of another shown as soda (another example not given in the comic would be gasoline produced by petroleum ).

As usual with xkcd, the absurdity -- and improbability -- of routing the entirety of each fluid through a single pipe at any point is the source of humor. In addition, some "fluids" shown are rather viscous (e.g. peanut butter, Silly Putty, meat), highly adhesive (e.g. maple syrup), thermally impractical (e.g. glass, cheese, ice cream and yogurt), or just plain zany (e.g. saliva a reference to another what if? Saliva Pool).

The title text refers to a possible alternate reality in which all of our daily consumption of fluids is consumed in one bucketful of those blended fluids instead of individually. The smoothie would very likely be deadly to consume.

One omission noted is "soup", which is partly expected due to Beret Guy's use of a "soup outlet" as an entrepreneur in 1293: Job Interview. It is probably a larger pipeline than salsa and possibly even ketchup.

In addition to the What If? article, the relevancy of pipelines, particularly regarding public water, is heightened due to the ongoing public health crisis in Flint, Michigan, caused by recent (mis-)management of their public water system. Studies have shown that temporary use of the Flint River as a water source caused corrosive water to leach lead from old pipes, causing lead poisoning in many residents, particularly children; other ill effects in addition to lead have been noted. The crisis has lead to a public outcry against the state "emergency financial management" team appointed and supervised by the state executive (Gov. Rick Snyder and staff) and an outpouring of support from nearby communities such as Metro Detroit via bottled water donations to Flint residents.

Transcript

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The size of the US's PIPELINES If each fluid produced or consumed in the US had to be carried by a single pipe. Assuming they all flowed at the same speed of about 4 m/s Note: Many pipelines would overlap (e.g. soda/corn syrup)

Actual size: (Diameters Listed) - Someone check my numbers!

Toothpaste: 35mm Nail Polish: 5mm Windsheild washer fluid: 60mm Silly Putty: 2mm Shampoo: 40mm Honey: 50mm Donated Blood: 10mm Vanilla: 5mm Personal Lubricant: 7mm Sunscreen: 14mm Mayo: 45mm Printer Ink: 13mm Maple Syrup: 18mm Ketchup: 55mm Salsa: 36mm LCD Liquid: 3mm Conditioner: 25mm Mustard: 38mm Liquid Soap: 50mm Olive Oil: 62mm

Not Actual Size: (Scaling of the liquid soap shows 25:1 scaling has been applied to these pipelines)

Coffee: 750mm Peanut Butter: 125mm Cheese: 475mm Ice Cream: 250mm Acetone: 300mm Gasoline: 3m Liquor: 200mm Soda: 1.03m Yogurt: 225mm Milk (Cow): 1.38m Bottled Water: 900mm Sugar: 513mm Saliva: 1.08m Wine: 250mm HFCS: 263mm MIlk (Human): 150mm Petroleum: 4.05m Meat (mostly solid): 750mm Glass* (Solid at room temperature): 325mm Beer: 450mm Cement: 1.00m Tea: 525mm Public Water: 83.41m

Pipe has rise of 75mm over span of 5m. Per the formula given here, the diameter should be 83.408m. Rounding to sig figs above gives 83.41m

This has not been verified - just me with a taper measure on the computer screen. Additional help would be appreciated. --188.114.106.47 19:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)




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Discussion

No discussion yet? Strange ...

Anyway, the title text "and we'll all just show up with a bucket each day to take our share of the resulting smoothie" reminds me of this bit near the end of Monty Python's "The Meaning of Life": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx0ME65y72E (Warning: not for the squeamish.) --RenniePet (talk) 16:21, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

This comic came out very late today. Mikemk (talk) 19:16, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I tried to discuss earlier but did not have permission to "create a page." Now I can comment, I assume because you created the page? Hrmm. Anyway, my comment is that the honey pipe seems so unreasonably large that I'm curious of the source and the math. I found figures for honey production in US, in pounds, did not convert it to volume or look up other values but it's hard to imagine it is correct in relation to ketchup, mustard, and mayo. Grocery stores sell honey in smaller bottles and much less often, than the others. Factory bakers and makers of cereal use a little honey but not much; it's so much more expensive than corn syrup or even sugar. Restaurants use all those other products at much higher volumes. McDonald's has honey at breakfast for biscuits but it's rarely requested, versus how many gallons per day of ketchup they must use per store, just on burgers, let alone packets given away. 108.162.216.62 17:24, 29 February 2016 (UTC)wrybred

Please (once you get permission to do create pages) do not try to create pages like this yourself. There is a bot that will do that when the comic has been out for a short while. And this comic was very late. And when people do it themselves there often goes a lot wrong with the functionality. And contributions may be lost when an admin has to fix this later. --Kynde (talk) 22:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

There is so much wrong with "cheese" labeled as a fluid... Flavio from Switzerland 141.101.104.33 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Since there are both glass (not a solid) and meat (mostly solid) and cement, only liquid for a short time, then the question is if cheese (once milk) could not be measured as a liquid without being more strange than other substances in the table? I also think that some (strange to me) people like to eat cheese that is runny ;-p --Kynde (talk) 22:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I find it appropriate and satisfying that tea and sugar are the same size :) 108.162.245.180 18:38, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Glass is a reference to the common misconception that glass is a slow moving liquid. (Spoiler: It's not) 141.101.106.161 19:31, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I believe he has mentioned this fact in a previous comic... One where he urges us to look at Wikipedias page for common misconceptions before going to a party and telling everyone that glass is a liquid! ;-) --Kynde (talk) 22:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

To give an example: Americans drunk just under 900 million gallons of wine in 2014, or just over 4 million cubic metres per year. There are 31557600 seconds in a year, so about America drinks 0.13 m3/s. If the pipe is flowing at 4m/s The pipe must have an area of 0.032m^2 = 320cm^2. The radius of a pipe of area 320cm^2 is 10cm. The wine pipe should have a diameter of 20cm. How about a table of calulated diameters 141.101.70.91 19:38, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Fantastic. I did some recalculations of the numbers posted as a transcript, at the moment moved to a trivia section when I posted a real transcript. There was an error in the scaling which I have now fixed. And right now the number for wine diameter says 20 cm. I did just check the picture and I disagree a little as I come to 11.5 mm on the picture which would then make it 23 cm in diameter, but that would be close enough to fit with this wine calculation withing the uncertainty of both calculations measurement and Randall's accuracy. And yes there should be such a table as you mentions.
Table now added. --Kynde (talk) 22:33, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
But what about the additional wine produced in America? You only took into account the wine consumed. --Effy (talk) 10:15, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Also, I recalculated from the article you linked to and got a figure much closer to 18 cm. Maybe check your calculations? When I take 893M gallons and convert to cubic meters I get about 3.38 million, not just over 4 million. This would perhaps suggest that each pipe in the comic is either matter produced OR consumed, but not both added together. --Effy (talk) 10:33, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Oh yes, US gallons are not UK Gallons......... -- Zeimusu (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
One last comment: I corrected the table per above, I hope that's okay. However, I noticed that if we use wine produced instead of wine consumed, the pipe comes out to 17.9 cm instead of 18.5. Perhaps that was what the pipe was intended for? (I guess the extra wine will need to imported with a transatlantic pipeline.) See: List of wine-producing countries. --Effy (talk) 10:39, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the scale check. It's always nice to know someone else looked at this stuff. BTW - would suggest that you not compare "size" to "calculated size" - but rather multiply these diameters by 4 m/s and output "calculated annual output" v. "Annual Output" - any source that can be found for annual outputs. This would be a bit more elegant as sources can be verified instantaneously. (i.e. using the 23 cm wine for example - "Annual Output" would be 4 million cubic meters, "Calculated Annual Output" would be 5.24 million cubic meters. --188.114.106.47 23:20, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

It's not blonde, it's albino. 173.245.63.144 23:28, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

How are we defining a typical computer screen? How many dots per inch? And where do we get that data from? Are we gonna have to do the math ourselves on one of the pipes to figure out what DPI setting Randal is suggesting? Or has he said somewhere? Trlkly (talk) 23:58, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure the initial size assumptions are very fair. If not-Megan is 5 feet 11, she's in the 99.4% percentile for American women. So perhaps the initial measurement of 9cm should be smaller for an "average computer". Here's a percentile height checker. https://tall.life/height-percentile-calculator-age-country/ Bgaskin (talk) 23:50, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

The Trivia section speaks of Leap Day comics, describing another as being "also like this one on a Friday in 2008". That implies Leap Day yesterday was a Friday. It was not, Leap Day was a Monday this year (as was the release date of this comic). ???? Other phrasing in the Trivia section uses similarly incorrect phrasing, leading me to question the validity of the declaration that the next Leap Day Release Date is in 20 years. (I personally can't check right now). - NiceGuy1 108.162.218.148 06:44, 2 March 2016 (UTC) I finally signed up! This comment is mine. NiceGuy1 (talk) 08:58, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

I note that the Trivia sections of 390: Nightmares and 1023: Late-Night PBS are similarly garbled with the same incorrect information. I also note that UTC timestamps on here are 5:15 ahead of Eastern time where I am. I thought UTC was the middle of the ocean, this is 15 minutes past Greenwich. Even if the number of hours is right, the 15 minutes shouldn't be - NiceGuy1 108.162.218.148 07:51, 2 March 2016 (UTC) So's this! (and I note timestamps are now +4 hours from Eastern. Like I said, middle of the ocean). :) NiceGuy1 (talk) 08:58, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm the guy who added the leap day stuff on this one originally; when I did that, the other two comics' pages didn't mention leap days at all. I most definitely did not say anything about Fridays, or indeed any other days of the week other than the "if MWF schedule continues next one will be 2036" part; I certainly would not have claimed that February 29, 2016 was in some way a Friday. (UTC is basically Greenwich, incidentally. But yes, 15 minutes past Greenwich - maybe 16 or 17 - seems about right for UTC timestamps here. Is it faulty time on the server?) 162.158.180.203 06:30, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Interesting that Randall doesn't include a pipe for air, a fluid consumed in great quantities in the country. 162.158.255.74 11:48, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Checking some numbers - Meat seems consistent with this USDA report (I got 32.1 GL), but Milk Consumption (29.8 GL) was way off - mainly I think because it was based on consumption - not production. Using the numbers listed of "all dairy products" is 86.3 GL, which isn't right either - but closer. Cheese (4.44 GL) was also off. In the small pipes, based upon a report here, Mayo (0.656 GL), Ketchup (0.687 GL) were way off. Mustard (0.106 GL) wasn't that far off. Further investigation is coming as I find the time, but it seems that production numbers were used more than consumption numbers - (consistent with the note of "pipes overlap" - obviously you can't consume something that's been used in something else). --188.114.106.47 18:02, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Ok after review of Saliva Pools 500 mL/day figure (stated within this last month), the population should product 59.9 GL of Saliva. Comparing with the 71.6 GL listed shows that the saliva pipe should have a diameter of 77.8 cm. Applying this scaling to "not-meg" gives a height of 165 cm - which matches with what Google says for Average woman height. I'll rescale everything in the lower panel to match unless I see a disagreement. --188.114.106.47 19:20, 2 March 2016 (UTC)