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One would assume that both human and canine DNA analysing services would be able to tell if the sample they received was not from the species they were set up to analyse.  In this comic, there are alternative explanations that Cueball actually sent his own DNA to a dog pedigree company, and they didn't couldn't tell the difference, or that Cueball is actually a dog with excellent human impersonation skills.
 
One would assume that both human and canine DNA analysing services would be able to tell if the sample they received was not from the species they were set up to analyse.  In this comic, there are alternative explanations that Cueball actually sent his own DNA to a dog pedigree company, and they didn't couldn't tell the difference, or that Cueball is actually a dog with excellent human impersonation skills.
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The title text refers to the fact that certain dog breeds are more or less susceptible to disease. The diseases he mentions, {{w|elbow dysplasia}}, {{w|Dirofilaria immitis|heartworm}}, {{w|parvovirus|parvo virus}} and {{w|mange}} are several diseases that can end up killing, disfiguring or disabling dogs. While the information is useful for dog owners, as it tells them what diseases they should keep an eye out for, it is unnecessary for humans, as we can express illnesses to other people,  and are largely unaffected by these diseases. However, knowing your ancestors (as Cueball was trying to do) is important for figuring out your family's medical history. Had he received legitimate results, he could then look for diseases his ancestors had (or died of) and thus, he would be aware of the risk factors, exactly like he ended up with, albeit irrelevant for him.
  
 
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The "5% Other" result in Cueball's DNA breakdown is a reference to the fact that [http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/1207_051207_dog_genome.html 5% of DNA] is shared between humans and dogs.
 
The "5% Other" result in Cueball's DNA breakdown is a reference to the fact that [http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/1207_051207_dog_genome.html 5% of DNA] is shared between humans and dogs.
 
===Title Text===
 
The title text refers to the fact that certain dog breeds are more or less susceptible to disease. The diseases he mentions, {{w|elbow dysplasia}}, {{w|Dirofilaria immitis|heartworm}}, {{w|parvovirus|parvo virus}} and {{w|mange}} are several diseases that can end up killing, disfiguring or disabling dogs. While the information is useful for dog owners, as it tells them what diseases they should keep an eye out for, it is unnecessary for humans, as we can express illnesses to other people,  and are largely unaffected by these diseases. However, knowing your ancestors (as Cueball was trying to do) is important for figuring out your family's medical history. Had he received legitimate results, he could then look for diseases his ancestors had (or died of) and thus, he would be aware of the risk factors, exactly like he ended up with, albeit irrelevant for him.
 
  
 
==Transcript==
 
==Transcript==

Revision as of 20:28, 14 July 2016

Genetic Testing
Plus, now I know that I have risk factors for elbow dysplasia, heartworm, parvo, and mange.
Title text: Plus, now I know that I have risk factors for elbow dysplasia, heartworm, parvo, and mange.

Explanation

Cueball has sent a DNA sample to a genetic genealogy company. It is inferred that he has sent his own sample, but that is not necessarily the case. Apparently he sent it to a dog pedigree company, meaning that the results show what dog the DNA matches. Megan, assuming he was referring to a human sample, thusly comments that he sent it to the wrong company. Only 5% of DNA is shared between humans and dogs, so we are genetically very different. In spite of the DNA test clearly showing a canine sample was submitted, Cueball clearly does not understand that he needed to send his own sample for testing, and assumes that he must be more canine than human. He decides to abstain from eating chocolate, because he figures he is probably highly susceptible to poisoning from theobromine, a compound found in chocolates which causes seizures and heart failure in dogs (and many other creatures). Basically, if Cueball really is a dog, then eating chocolate could kill him.

One would assume that both human and canine DNA analysing services would be able to tell if the sample they received was not from the species they were set up to analyse. In this comic, there are alternative explanations that Cueball actually sent his own DNA to a dog pedigree company, and they didn't couldn't tell the difference, or that Cueball is actually a dog with excellent human impersonation skills.

Title Text

The title text refers to the fact that certain dog breeds are more or less susceptible to disease. The diseases he mentions, elbow dysplasia, heartworm, parvo virus and mange are several diseases that can end up killing, disfiguring or disabling dogs. While the information is useful for dog owners, as it tells them what diseases they should keep an eye out for, it is unnecessary for humans, as we can express illnesses to other people, and are largely unaffected by these diseases. However, knowing your ancestors (as Cueball was trying to do) is important for figuring out your family's medical history. Had he received legitimate results, he could then look for diseases his ancestors had (or died of) and thus, he would be aware of the risk factors, exactly like he ended up with, albeit irrelevant for him.

Alternative Explanation

Cueball states that he has sent a sample of his DNA to a genetic genealogy service. However, it appears that he is mistaken and has actually sent it to a dog ancestry service, intended to determine what dog breeds a particular dog comes from, meaning that the results show what dog breeds Cueball's DNA most closely matches (although the results would obviously be incorrect, as Cueball is unlikely to contain actual canine DNA and canine DNA analysis procedures would return false results when applied to human DNA). Megan realises that he has mistaken the service for a genealogy service, although Cueball interprets the results seriously and starts believing that he may in fact be more canine than human, leading him to consider abstaining from eating chocolate (which is harmful for dogs) and (as mentioned in the title text) the diseases which, as a dog, he would be prone to.

The "5% Other" result in Cueball's DNA breakdown is a reference to the fact that 5% of DNA is shared between humans and dogs.

Transcript

[Cueball and Megan are talking to each other]
Cueball: I sent a DNA sample to one of those "Trace your ancestry" projects.
Megan: How legit are those?
Cueball: No idea. I just figured it'd be fun.
Six weeks later...
[Cueball walks towards Megan with a letter in his hand]
Cueball: Sweet, got my results back.
Megan: Ooh, share!
Ancestry Report
48% Labrador Retriever
35% Beagle
12% Cocker Spaniel
5% Other
[Megan is holding the report]
Megan: I think you sent your sample to the wrong service.
Cueball: Just in case, I should probably start avoiding chocolate.


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Discussion

Regarding the title text, elbow dysplasia is something that genetic testing might find a susceptibility to in dogs, but parvo (canine parvovirus) is a viral infection and heartworms and mange are both parasites. I'm only beginning my veterinary studies so it's possible I'm speaking in ignorance but I've never heard of any genetic factors that make one dog more or less susceptible to any of the latter three than another dog. Generally speaking, all dog owners are advised to get their dogs vaccinated against parvo and kept on a heartworm preventive treatment such as ivermectin (Heartgard and other brands). Ie., these are blanket prevention strategies recommended for all dogs and no attempt is typically made to ascertain susceptibility level before recommending these treatments.

Of course, Randall is writing a comic intended for mass consumption and it's possible he wanted to include some canine ailments that would be more commonly recognized rather than just strictly listing congenital ailments of dogs like entropion or brachycephalic syndrome, which might have caused confusion and ruined the joke. --(I don't have an account yet) 108.162.210.178 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

There are genetic variations that can make a host more susceptible or resistant to various infectious diseases (see human sickle cell trait vs. malaria), and there are also variations that make prevention strategies less effective. Parvo is devastating to any dog, but Rottweilers, Dobermans, and some spaniels are reported to have higher risk. My personal experience puts pit-type dogs on that list as well, and this may be associated with variations in vaccine efficacy/compliance. Every case I've seen of parvo in a dog with a history of vaccination has been a pit or a rottie, but that's just my experience as a veterinarian, and I don't have a study to back that up. There is a study from Europe that reported parvo outbreaks despite vaccinations in Bernese mountain dogs and dachshunds. Kali (talk) 14:17, 15 July 2016 (UTC)Kali

I think you're all missing the point of the genetic test determining the susceptibility to diseases. While it might be true (or not) that a genetic test would not be useful to test for susceptibility to the diseases listed for a specific dog, the information given by this test (that cueball is a dog and not a man) would clearly change the expected susceptibility of cueball to dog diseases. You would presume that a man is not susceptible to parvo, but if you found out that you were really a dog, you would change the assumption (just like with chocolate).108.162.212.5 03:30, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Now I really wonder if anyone has actually done this before. It would be fun to see the actual results of this. 141.101.104.104 08:00, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Just because a disease is infectious doesn't mean there can't be breed dispositions. For example, parvo in GSDs. I tend to see lots of demodectic mange in bull breeds too. This can be due to factors, such as genetic immune deficiency or particular types of skin/hair which can be inherited 198.41.239.32 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Interestingly 5% seems to be the common shared DNA between humans and dogs: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/1207_051207_dog_genome.html 162.158.87.35 11:05, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

I was the editor that made the original explanation. I never intended my word to be the final say; if anything, I was expecting the opposite, since I'm not educated at all in those fields. Regarding the link in parvo, I found this study, which starts that Spaniels are the most susceptible to parvo-enteritis. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3003015 173.245.52.74 14:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
That effectively puts Pierre Paul Broca in the wrong, from a genetic POV. More specifically his theory that the main difference between humans and primates stem from their understanding of language, something that also relates to Wernickes and Brocas areas of the brain. Obviously animals have language albeit simpler. As for testing the difference between human and animal... with blood tests this is simple, because human blood contains some unique factors. But when it comes to DNA there may be no obvious telltale signs, which would mean only a computer would be able to spot the difference. If that's true it would explain why the lab doesn't run such a test. Todor (talk) 00:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

When I came here, I was rather hoping to see a comment on how legitimate these ancestry services really are. Anyone? 108.162.241.133 21:10, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

I certainly do not know enough about genetics to edit the explanation nor comment substantively, but elsewhere on the web I've seen that humans' DNA is 82% "homologous" with dogs, and 60% with fruit flies! Presumably this reflects the difference between "homologous" and "shared"? As a non-scientist, 5% does 'feel' sorta low. Miamiclay (talk) 02:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

I believe by shared they are referring to shared synteny and the amount of colocalization of chromosomes from different species. This is important in comparative genetics which provides important information for evolutionary research. By looking at the differences and similarities between the genes of different species and their locations and arrangements on similar chromosomes they can see evolutionary division and branching changes in related groups of organisms. Eventually this can lead to fairly accurate estimates of their earliest common ancestor, among other things. But, to actually respond to what you said. I think this is simply a misunderstanding of very technical words; shared and homologous are entirely different terms with very specific meanings in the context of genetics. DNA, genes, phenotype, genotype, chromosome, genome, are all vastly different names for specific structures, it's easy to read a study with no knowledge of the terms and misunderstand what it actually says. In fact, most of the time it has little to no meaning outside of the field it's published in. But, as it stands the explanation is fine for understanding the comic. Lackadaisical (talk) 13:16, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Well now I'm just curious what a 48% lab, 35% beagle, 12% cocker spaniel and 5% other dog would actually look like. 173.245.50.29 06:29, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

"Cueball clearly does not understand that he needed to send his own sample for testing" How in the fuck is that the "clear" interpretation of the comic? Last panel and title text both say they are his results. 108.162.210.174 11:30, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

That is not the only wrong assumption in the explanation ATM. Another user pointed out that it might not be *practically* possible to test DNA for which species it belongs to. It is not normal nor practical to do DNA sequencing, on the contrary usually a lab test means a quick PCR, and those are different enough to tell a person apart with a fail-rate of about one in a billion. Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. 162.158.222.218 15:25, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Found on the wikipedia page for DNA barcoding that "mtDNA barcode to assign a species name to an animal will be ambiguous or erroneous some 23% of the time". Also note that this applies to classifying a higher-order species, not like in the comic which sub-species it belongs to. According the the wikipedia page doing so would be largely bogus. 162.158.222.218 15:43, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
This also answers the question in the first panel about how legit these tests are. Spoiler alert: They are not. 162.158.222.218 15:57, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Consider yourself lucky. My blood work has declared me pregnant three times this year as a male. It's gotten to the point that it's one of the ways that my doctors check to see if the results are valid or not. --108.162.237.213 15:21, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Test your self for prostate cancer. I'm serious. http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/08/home-pregnancy-tests-may-detect-mens-cancer/ 141.101.97.82 07:17, 15 July 2016 (UTC)