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*'''Lunar shape:''' The idea that there is a cycle in which the moon becomes a square and then a circle again is a joke.
 
*'''Lunar shape:''' The idea that there is a cycle in which the moon becomes a square and then a circle again is a joke.
  
*'''Lunar mood:''' The idea that there is a cycle in which the moon becomes happy, the neutral, then upset, then neutral is a joke.
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*'''Lunar mood:''' The idea that there is a cycle in which the moon becomes happy, the neutral, then upset, then neutral is a joke. Ironically, the section of the graph that shows a happy moon looks like a frown, and an unhappy moon, a smile.
  
 
*The final image shows many different cycles superimposed on each other.  
 
*The final image shows many different cycles superimposed on each other.  
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**While the popularity of '''skinny jeans''' does change over time, the idea that this is connected to a lunar cycle is also a joke.
 
**While the popularity of '''skinny jeans''' does change over time, the idea that this is connected to a lunar cycle is also a joke.
 
*The '''Antikythera mechanism''' mentioned in the title text is an ancient Greek machine, rediscovered in 1901, designed to calculate astronomical positions.
 
*The '''Antikythera mechanism''' mentioned in the title text is an ancient Greek machine, rediscovered in 1901, designed to calculate astronomical positions.
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Revision as of 20:36, 5 July 2019

Lunar Cycles
The Antikythera mechanism had a whole set of gears specifically to track the cyclic popularity of skinny jeans and low-rise waists.
Title text: The Antikythera mechanism had a whole set of gears specifically to track the cyclic popularity of skinny jeans and low-rise waists.

Explanation

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This comic shows a mixture of real, scientific lunar cycles and cycles that are comedic or fictional in nature.

  • Nodal precession: The comic shows that the moon's nodal precession follows an 18.6 year cycle. This is true. What this means is that the points in its orbit where the moon crosses the equator (called the ascending and descending nodes) move westward, taking just over 18.6 years to complete a 360-degree cycle.
  • Apsidal precession: The comic shows that the moon's apsidal precession follows an 8.9 year cycle. This is true. What this means is that the major axis of the moon's orbit - the line between the periapsis (nearest point) and apoapsis (furthest point from Earth) of its orbit - precesses eastward, taking about 8.9 years to complete a 360-degree cycle.
  • Phase: The comic also shows that phase has a 29.5 day cycle. This is true. This is the synodic month. Because the lunar cycle is based on how the sun's light shines on the moon as seen from earth, it is determined by the relative positions of the earth, moon, and sun. Because the earth has moved, very roughly, 1/12 of the way around the sun during a lunar month, it takes extra time for the moon to reach the point where it is is fully lit again, so this is longer than a sidereal month. A synodic month, or the time from one full moon to another, is about 29.5 days as stated.
  • Distance: The comic shows that distance has a 27.5 day cycle. This is true. A sidereal month, which is essentially the time it takes the moon to go around the earth, is approximately this length (although the mean time for a sidereal month may be closer to 27.3 days). Because the moon's orbit around the earth is elliptical and not perfectly circular, with a periapsis of about 362600 km earth-moon distance and an apoapsis of about 405400 km earth-moon distance, the distance to the moon essentially follows this cycle with times of peak distance about 27 and a half days apart.
  • Earth-Moon relative size: The idea that there is a cycle in which the moon becomes larger than the earth is a joke.
  • Lunar shape: The idea that there is a cycle in which the moon becomes a square and then a circle again is a joke.
  • Lunar mood: The idea that there is a cycle in which the moon becomes happy, the neutral, then upset, then neutral is a joke. Ironically, the section of the graph that shows a happy moon looks like a frown, and an unhappy moon, a smile.
  • The final image shows many different cycles superimposed on each other.
    • Supermoon: see 1394:_Superm*n.
    • Super blood moon: a blood moon refers to the moon during a lunar eclipse.
    • While the popularity of skinny jeans does change over time, the idea that this is connected to a lunar cycle is also a joke.
  • The Antikythera mechanism mentioned in the title text is an ancient Greek machine, rediscovered in 1901, designed to calculate astronomical positions.

Transcript

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Discussion

Is it just me or is the square-circle moon cycle a reference to Minecraft? EnderPlays: Joined 29 April 2021 (talk) 02:44, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Is it possible that the size of the Earth and the moon are supposed to be comparisons of how big the Earth looks from the moon vs. how big the moon looks from the Earth? 172.69.170.88 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Why would that have a cycle different from the distance cycle?Barmar (talk) 20:20, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Where is the total eclipse of the heart? Actually, why do we not have a total eclipse of the hart - when all deer are hidden?

A very quick and dirty (probably flawed, until I can plug things into a suitable visualiser to check and/or improve my initial idea) attempt to describe the nature of the square/circle oscilations of the Moon might well be smething like |r.cos(θ)−r.sin(θ)|.|sin(t/λ)| + |r.cos(θ)+r.sin(θ)|.|sin(t/λ)| + |r.√(2/π)|.|cos(t/λ)|=k ...only then you'd also want to make k a quantity also multiplied by the relative Earth/Moon size cycle. Either way, YMoonMV. 141.101.98.88 00:41, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Isn't the square/circle a reference to rounded corner rectangles. If you increase the corner radius of a square, enough, you get a circle. SDSpivey (talk) 05:37, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Does anyone know of a real chart similar to the format of the last panel? That might be a cool thing to link to. 162.158.75.166 16:38, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Did anyone else expect to see "Total Eclipse of the Heart" right after "Total Eclipse of the Sea"? No? Ah, my coat, thank you.Daemonik (talk) 09:17, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave earlier 162.158.154.67 20:10, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

I remember there being a blue blood supermoon or some crazy thing like that once a year or so back. Mostly because I dreamed that it was also a falling moon and woke up very worried. --162.158.58.169 00:18, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Astrology

I think this is primarily an astrology joke. Astrologers often use astronomical cycles (both real and made up) to "predict" future events or explain historic events. By having enough cycles, they can usually come up with results like "skinny jeans are always popular whenever the happy moon is in Pices and wet Mars is in the same Chinese zodiac as Mercury".

There's also possibly an allusion to Fourier transforms. 162.158.92.160 (talk) 03:14, July 6, 2019‎ (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

You know, I kind of expected a joke about periods 172.69.160.146 01:49, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

I think this is unlikely - the jokes all hinge on cycles of the moon, and don't reference any dates or other celestial bodies in the way astrology does. 162.158.154.37 12:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Phase x distance and supermoons

I've been absolutely nerd-sniped by the "Phase x distance" in the bottom diagram. As far as I can figure out, if you multiply phase and distance, you should end up with a new cycle with a period of (29.5 x 27.5) = 811.25 days, which is about 2 years. A supermoon is when a full moon occurs when the Moon is closest to the Earth, so this phase x distance figure is effectively a supermoon detector - that's why supermoons occur at the peaks in Randall's diagram.

But when I looked into supermoons a bit - specifically this diagram from Wikipedia - other sources shows supermoons occurring on a yearly cycle - we supposedly get them every year. How can that be the case, if the two lunar cycles only synchronize every 2 years? It seems to me like there has to be at least one out of every two years where we get no supermoons at all - ie. the full moon is always coinciding with the moon being furthest away.

I feel like I must have made a mistake or wrong assumption, but I can't figure out what it is. Hawthorn (talk) 17:15, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

I figured it out; it turns out that I was simply wrong about how to calculate the length of a combined cycle. This graph shows that the two cycles would coincide every 400 days or so. Still can't figure out what "phase x distance" is meant to represent, though. Hawthorn (talk) 17:54, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Earth/Moon changing size

While I do know that the Earth and Moon can technically change size due to accretion of interstellar material, the amount is so negligible that I don't even think it's worth mentioning. I suspect the Earth changes size more from thermal expansion and contraction than from accretion. Hawthorn (talk) 13:03, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Harvest Moon

The harvest moon does have some astronomical significance: the time of moon-rise from day to day changes less around the harvest moon than at any other time of the year. Wikipedia and its source say that this allowed harvest work to continue into the night during the days after the full moon without a significant period of darkness between sunset and moon-rise. 172.68.189.85 05:59, 10 July 2019 (UTC)