Talk:1443: Language Nerd
I got edit-conflicted (not a problem), but if someone wants to consider canibalising/correcting my own intended contribution, and then completely delete this comment (please!), here's what it was:
- The English language (and others) can be, and often is, treated quite fluidly with regard to certain word forms. For example "medalled" has been coined as the act of "having gained a medal" in a sporting competition. (Not to be confused with "meddled".) "Verbed" (i.e. to have made a non-verb form into a verb form) is a more long-standing example which is used in this comic without any form of meta-reference and has perhaps gained greater acceptance, already, even amongst those who might decry the other neologism.
- In the comic, "legit" has been newly created as an adverb, possibly from the adjective "legitimate" (confusingly, since "legitimately" already exists as a usable adverb), "adverb" has been 'verbed' into "adverbed" and it is also pointed out that the noun clause "language nerd" has been used in an adjectival context, i.e. "adjectived".
And I had also made the edit summary say "It's probably infinitely improvable, but I've stop-gapped an initial explanation and commentified some additionalifications you might have some usiness for.", but that's probably no use to anyone. 126.96.36.199 08:53, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- "Verbing words weirds language" came to mind when I read today's comic, but I'd forgotten the source - thanks for that! DivePeak (talk) 01:58, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- This is definitely a reference to the Calvin and Hobbes strip. "Verbing weirds language" is a famous phrase among linguists. 188.8.131.52 03:08, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm slightly confused about the "adjectived language nerd" claim - can someone clarify or chime in with their opinion? If "language nerd" is describing "go," (i.e. describing the way in which he/she "[went] on you," wouldn't you say that it was actually being adverbed (as with legit)? Or should at be interpreted as describing he/she themself, in which case I guess adjectived is correct? 184.108.40.206 18:38, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- "Go (adjective)" is a modular expression that does turn adjectives into adverbs, but by using "language nerd" in that spot, it implies the phrase has been "adjectived" more than it has been "adverbed" [ex grat. "go yellow", "go bad", "go rogue", etc]. ArtDuck (talk) 04:03, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
If you are confused about the "adjectived language nerd", I would like to point you to the discussion of this comic by linguist Geoffrey K Pullum (http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=15576) xkcd gets Pullum's stamp of approval and that is high praise indeed for linguistic matters. 220.127.116.11 23:28, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- Pullum is being rather lax here, probably because he likes the strip so much, and even he just says that it's "arguably accurate," which I wouldn't characterize as high praise. "Language nerd" here is functioning as a predicate noun, which Pullum calls a predicative complement and Wikipedia calls a predicative nominal or predicate nominal. So "language nerd" here isn't really an adjective, any more than "language" is an adjective, notwithstanding that it modifies "nerd." 18.104.22.168 03:18, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't mean to go all anchronic nazi on XKCD, but when Megan says "I just", The meaning of the word 'just' in this sentence is "very recently; in the immediate past." However at the point of saying the word 'just', she actually hasn't yet done the thing which she is about to describe., hence it would be more correct to say "I am legit adverbing 'legit', I just verbed adverb, etc..". Unless a sentence is like a database transaction and the period at the end is the COMMIT statement, in which case you can only evaluate the sentence once you reach the end. Is it possible to overthink things in XKCD? 22.214.171.124 03:46, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
- It's almost the rule. Nonetheless, you raise an iteresting point. 126.96.36.199 00:01, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
"Megan uses the word adverbed without any comment" <- this is wrong because she says "I just verbed adverb" 188.8.131.52 22:55, 3 December 2014 (UTC)