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Does anyone know why "Untitled 241.doc" and "Untitled 40 MOM ADRESS.jpg" are out of order. The rest seem to be in accending order? {{unsigned ip|108.162.221.135}}
 
Does anyone know why "Untitled 241.doc" and "Untitled 40 MOM ADRESS.jpg" are out of order. The rest seem to be in accending order? {{unsigned ip|108.162.221.135}}
 
:Assuming it wasn't just an oversight on Randall's part, it's likely using a non-alphanumeric sort on the directory listing.  The operating system (likely Windows) usually sorts things alphanumerically, but can also sort them by date (created or modified).  In a DOS-style listing, you can also list them in the order they were inserted into the file system (effectively unsorted).  On the other hand, Windows listings also contain special logic to process numbers in "natural order" rather than alphanumeric order, so that (1, 2, 3, 10, 11, 20) would be listed in that order instead of (1, 10, 11, 2, 20, 3).  However, that doesn't appear to be happening in this case. [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) 20:48, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 
:Assuming it wasn't just an oversight on Randall's part, it's likely using a non-alphanumeric sort on the directory listing.  The operating system (likely Windows) usually sorts things alphanumerically, but can also sort them by date (created or modified).  In a DOS-style listing, you can also list them in the order they were inserted into the file system (effectively unsorted).  On the other hand, Windows listings also contain special logic to process numbers in "natural order" rather than alphanumeric order, so that (1, 2, 3, 10, 11, 20) would be listed in that order instead of (1, 10, 11, 2, 20, 3).  However, that doesn't appear to be happening in this case. [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] ([[User talk:KieferSkunk|talk]]) 20:48, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
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Could the alt text be a reference to "successor of" notation from set theory. I'm not an expert at all, but the explicit use of "copy of" over and over makes sense as another mathematical but absurd document naming schema. I think it's called successor ordinals or something like that.

Revision as of 17:49, 13 December 2014

742 Evergreen Terrace.docx 742 Evergreen Terrace (2).docx

141.101.99.51 07:24, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure everyone can relate to using poor filenames occasionally. As far as default filenames go:

  • Notepad (XP) = *.txt - Cannot save without choosing a new filename.
  • Word (2003) = Title (if set by template) > First sentence of document > Doc1.doc, Doc2.doc, etc
  • Paint (XP) = untitled.bmp

--Pudder (talk) 08:58, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Using the image format (.jpg) to store text information (like addresses) will also contribute to an annoying future if you ever need to copy data from that file into some other programme. sirKitKat (talk) 09:58, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

oo good point -- Brettpeirce (talk) 13:13, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Could be a JPEG because it's a camera photo of the address on something. That'd make it even more perverse because most cameras create files with names like DSC01234.jpg meaning he's given it the "Untitled" moniker on purpose. 141.101.99.78 14:23, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
It's a screenshot. 173.245.62.169 18:15, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Placing an email address in a graphic is often used when the email address is to be displayed on a web page to make it difficult for email-address harvesting programs to grab the email address for spamming. But that's probably not relevant here.--RenniePet (talk) 15:28, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Something I come a cross now and then is the result of the following situation: You are in the process of selecting multiple files while holding CTRL. During the process of quickly selecting the next file, you accidentally move your cursor/mouse while clicking the next file, resulting in copying all the selected files on the same location :) sirKitKat (talk) 13:36, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Title is an impossible file name in most operating environments because it is too long at 277 characters. 255 characters is the limit for any file or folder name in Linux, and is the limit for a fully defined file name (file and full path the file is in) in Windows. So the Title/Alt text is 22 characters too long for Linux and at least 25 characters too long for Windows since being in the root of drive takes 3 characters, each folder adds at least 2 characters (a letter and the slash). I encounter clients pushing this limit all the time, complaining why they can't access their files with the novel length file names, so this comic REALLLYYY spoke to me. As an IT consultant, I get to see and occasionally cleanup such poor file naming conventions. Chaosadventurer (talk) 15:34, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Technically, Windows can handle paths longer than 260 characters (the definition of MAX_PATH in Windows API), but it requires special nomenclature (eg. "\\?\D:\very-long-path), and each individual backslash-delimited component is still limited to 255 chars. The maximum length of that type of path is 32,767 characters AFTER Unicode expansion. Most Unix-based file systems have a max filename length of 255 chars and a max path length of 4,096 chars. KieferSkunk (talk) 20:54, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I suppose it's just the OCD but the fact that the filenames are not in alphabetical order is the first thing that hit me. They're not even alphabetical by file type/extension. About the only thing that would result in this ordering is if the files were sorted by timestamp (which we don't see). Of course, if I were looking over someone's shoulder at their timestamp sorted list of files, I might be just as horrified by the ordering as I would by the names. MrBigDog2U (talk) 15:40, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Sometimes it is useful to sort by timestamp. When looking for the latest file, for example. Given the filenames are near useless in this example, sorting by timestamp could be the easiest way to find something. ("I'm looking for the fine I worked on about two weeks ago.") -- Equinox 199.27.128.117 18:53, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Does anyone know why "Untitled 241.doc" and "Untitled 40 MOM ADRESS.jpg" are out of order. The rest seem to be in accending order? 108.162.221.135 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Assuming it wasn't just an oversight on Randall's part, it's likely using a non-alphanumeric sort on the directory listing. The operating system (likely Windows) usually sorts things alphanumerically, but can also sort them by date (created or modified). In a DOS-style listing, you can also list them in the order they were inserted into the file system (effectively unsorted). On the other hand, Windows listings also contain special logic to process numbers in "natural order" rather than alphanumeric order, so that (1, 2, 3, 10, 11, 20) would be listed in that order instead of (1, 10, 11, 2, 20, 3). However, that doesn't appear to be happening in this case. KieferSkunk (talk) 20:48, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Could the alt text be a reference to "successor of" notation from set theory. I'm not an expert at all, but the explicit use of "copy of" over and over makes sense as another mathematical but absurd document naming schema. I think it's called successor ordinals or something like that.