Talk:1491: Stories of the Past and Future
- I just realized he has a text link for it in the top banner. I'd delete my comment, but that's rude on a wiki. Whatever. 184.108.40.206 05:35, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
The bottom diagonal seems to be mislabelled? Shouldn't it be "Stories written X years and set X years ago" instead of "set 2X years ago"? --220.127.116.11 05:38, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
- It is correct, if you see both relative from now. The middle line is written X years ago and set X years ago and thus contemporary. Sebastian --18.104.22.168 06:46, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure where to open bug tickets, but Lest Darkness Fall actually takes place ~1500 years ago, not ~500. 22.214.171.124 06:35, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Kind of reminds of a Minkowski diagram. Sebastian --126.96.36.199 06:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
More and more science fiction works wander into the category obsolete science fiction, and more and more historical works are not recognisable as such by the average viewer as the movies have been filmed such a long time ago anyway. Sebastian --188.8.131.52 06:55, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
There seems to be a mistake with the large diagonal line. It says "Stories written X years ago and set 2X years ago." It should say, "... and set X years ago." Am I missing something here? Effy (talk) 09:35, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I see now that the y-axis is date relative to publication, not absolute dates relative to today. My bad. Effy (talk) 09:37, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I may have missed it, but can't see Paris in the Twentieth Century, written in 1863, about 1960, but only published in 1994. Which would have been an interesting addition. 184.108.40.206 10:13, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
- In fact, I'm thinking it could have been represented as a (dotted?) diagonal arrowed line between "1960 in 1863"/future-trending and "1960 in 1994"/past-trending points. But never mind. 220.127.116.11 10:38, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
- I have experience with this. Back in 1995 I advised a prospective author-friend (prospective author; already and still a friend, surprisingly) on the latest computing matters to help a plot device in a "five minutes into the future" story. Even two years later, it sounded so dated and... naff. ('Luckily', it didn't sell too well anyway (bad choice of publishers), so my failure-as-futurologist - uncredited as it also fortunately was - wasn't so wildly known.) 18.104.22.168 13:04, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I've been trying and trying to figure out what the heck his point might be, as IMO there usually seems to be some point he's trying to make or way he's trying to be clever, beyond the interesting nature of the observation - and I think I might have seen one (though there is probably something else) - anyone notice that the area under the "Stories set in 2015" line is awfully bare? at least compared to the areas on either side of the 'x / 2x' line. that could simply be his particular selection of works(?) anyone have some ideas of things that might deserve to go in there that were not included? -- Brettpeirce (talk) 12:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
- I think the point here is that there are a lot of books one hasn't read yet. I, for one, sought out Memoirs of the Twentieth Century and The Pillow Book after reading this strip. --Koveras (talk) 13:30, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
As for writing a transcript or explanation, concerning order, I would think it would make some sense to flatten it on one axis (probably the y-axis, starting from Star Wars?) or if it is practical enough, the best might be some sort of "radial"(?) axis (is that a thing?), where the axis would be anchored at "this chart", and swing like a radar beam around from the bottom (Downton Abbey, Mad Men, and Star Wars, up through the 'x / 2x' line, through the 'contemporary' line and then the 'set in 2015' line, to finish with '3001', possibly making a small attempt to keep related works (like Star Wars) together in the listing. Any comments? -- Brettpeirce (talk) 12:55, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
- Whatever the fixation, I started work on something, but other people will get there before me. So here's my ideas. Five columns: "Story (and format description/author?)", "First Published/Premiered", "Date offset(s)", "Featured date(s)" and "Notes", with sorting on each potentially numerical one (although ranges/freetext/vagueness may play havoc with such sorting, by past experience).
- I already have a complete list of listed titles (in case anyone needs it), though maybe not error-free and not yet been ordered other than by "input order".
Memoirs of the Twentieth Century Golf in the Year 2000 Looking Backward Enoch Soames The Time Machine 1984 A Week in the Wales of the Future The Jetsons Star Trek !TOS! 2001: A Space Odyssey Space: 1999 2010: Odyssey Two Star Trek: The Next Generation 2061: Odyssey Three Zero Wing 3001: The Final Odyssey Enterprise Back to the Future Part II Transformers (TV Series) Terminator 2 (1995 Portion) Casablanca The Pillow Book History of the Peloponnesian War Moby Dick Gospels The Epic of Gilgamesh The Iliad Ashokavadana Book of Genesis Water Margin King John Henry IV Richard III Henry VIII Julius Caesar King Lear A Conneticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court Lest Darkness Fall Asterix The Ten Commandments The Flintstones 2001: A Space Odyssey (prologue) Star Wars (IV - VI) Star Wars (I - III) Raptor Red Star Wars (VII - IX) Ice Age 10,000 BC 300 Year One The Prince of Egypt Downton Abbey Pearl Harbour Saving Private Ryan Chariots of Fire Blazing Saddles Back to the Future Part III Roots Treasure Island The Last of the Mohicans A Tale of Two Cities Gone With The Wind Gunsmoke Rip Can Winkel [sic] Les Misera'bles Oklahoma! Lawrence of Arabia The Music Man Annie (Play) Annie (Movie) Schindler's List Mad Men Evita Bonnie and Clyde Chinatown Gandhi The Sandlot Back to the Future Patton Catch-22 (Movie) The Great Escape Catch-22 (Book) M*A*S*H Grease Happy Days Platoon The Wonder Years Dirty Dancing The Right Stuff JFK Apollo 13 That '70s Show The Wolf of Wall Street Freaks and Geeks I Love the '80s The Bridge on the River Kwai American Graffiti Apocalypse Now The Big Lebowski United 93 I Love the '90s Hotel Rwanda I Love the 2000s
- (Do cut that out of this Talk Page when no longer necessary!)
- What I've so far put together (but not yet checked my link formats or WikiTabled) is...
[[wikipedia:Memoirs of the Twentieth Century|]], book written by Samuel Madden 1733 +264 1997-8 [[wikipedia:Golf in the Year 2000|]], novel written by J. McCullough 1892 +108 2000 [[wikipedia:Looking Backward|]], novel written by Edward Bellamy 1888 +112 2000 [[wikipedia:Enoch Soames|]], short story by Max Beerbohm 1916 (check!) 1897 [[wikipedia:The Time Machine|]], novel written by H.G. Wells 1895 (range!) 802,701 CE and +30 million years [[wikipedia:United 93 (film)|]], film directed by Paul Greengrass 2006 -5 2001 [[wikipedia:I Love the '90s (U.S. TV series)|]], TV miniseries on VH1 2004 -14..-5 1990-9 A programme by the same name was broadcast by the BBC in 2001 [[wikipedia:Hotel Rwanda|]], film directed by Terry George 2004 -10 1994 [[wikipedia:I Love the 2000s|]], TV miniseries on VH1 2014 -14..-5 2000-2009
- ...but I'm probably duplicating someone else's efforts so by the time I get back to it you'll have a complete and better version online. FYI if you're determined to build on this while I'm absent, however. 22.214.171.124 14:22, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
This appears to be a log-log graph, but with abrupt changes in scale along one axis yielding cusps in the "still possible / obsolete" line. Is there a name for that? -- 126.96.36.199 14:29, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm in the process of writing a transcript myself. Mine is not formatted as a table; I am under the impression that this is the preferred approach to transcripts on this site. However, the existing table would be perfect in another section, where we can give more detail than a true transcript can/should provide (e.g. "this is a book written by X, here's the wikilink", "this is an error, it should be X", etc.) -- Peregrine (talk) 14:55, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Not sure of the protocol here, but the trivia section currently states that "Rip Van Winkel" is a misspelling of "Rip Van Winkle." The use of Winkel in the comic can be correct. (http://i.imgur.com/Z0adeEJ.jpg) The transcription also lists "Rip Can Winkel [sic]" but the comic actually uses "Rip Van Winkel."