Editing Talk:1537: Types

Relevant: WAT talk https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat {{unsigned ip|‎108.162.254.108}}

Are (6) and (7) about completing sequences?

If the sequence was [1, 2, 3, ?] we would expect the ? to be a placeholder for 4. So [1, 2, 3]+2 is wrong := FALSE. But [1, 2, 3]+4 is correct := TRUE. {{unsigned ip|141.101.99.22}}

"+2 appears to be applying a unary + to the number 2" : or it adds the number of the line, 10, to 2 => 12. Also, the eleventh line, "2+2" may add 2 to all the following 2, explaining line 12. (that theory is from a friend of mine) [[User:Seipas|Seipas]] ([[User talk:Seipas|talk]]) 12:17, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
: Also, for the lines 6 and 7, the operation "[1,2,3]+x" may add x to the set [1,2,3] and return true if the operation succeeded or false if not. Adding 2 to the set [1,2,3] returns false because 2 is already in [1,2,3]. [[User:Seipas|Seipas]] ([[User talk:Seipas|talk]]) 12:23, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
:: I thought it was doing element-wise addition and then comparing "[6] > [3,4,5]" (using the line number in the joke, like in line 10). The problem here is that line 6 should return true and line 7 should return false. [[User:Rand|Rand]] ([[User talk:Rand|talk]]) 15:46, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Yellowish Blue: http://www.livescience.com/17948-red-green-blue-yellow-stunning-colors.html is NaN! {{unsigned ip|108.162.221.129}}


''"The ironic thing is that fractions with 2 in the nominator are not the kind of numbers that typically suffer from floating point impreciseness."''
- This is not technically correct.  Should read "fractions with 'power of 2' in the '''de'''nominator.  However, the 3/2 would cause precision errors. {{unsigned ip|108.162.221.129}}
: I don't know proper English wording for things, but 3/2=3*2^-1, so it would be represented exactly under IEEE-754 too. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.89.217|141.101.89.217]] 13:58, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Is there more to this comic, a fixed set of rules that can tie all the examples together, or does each line make its own joke independently? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.219.5|108.162.219.5]] 12:54, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

;"normally"

<blockquote>This would make sense if it was <code>[] + 2</code></blockquote>

It really wouldn't. Javascript returns <code>"2"</code> (god knows why) and Python gives an error. Don't really feel like testing many other languages, but I also think it's not really a logical assumption to make at all. Can't think of a reason for <code>[] + 2</code> to return <code>[2]</code>... ever. It ''might'' make a little bit of sense in Randall's oddly typed language, but not in any sane one. --[[User:TotempaaltJ|TotempaaltJ]] ([[User talk:TotempaaltJ|talk]]) 12:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

: Javascript first converts <code>[]</code> (the empty array) to the empty string (using the rule "stringify each element and join with a comma"), then treats the operation as <code>"" + 2</code>, which results in conversion of the other operand to string and then concatenation. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.97.214|141.101.97.214]] 12:46, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

line 4: asci code of N + 2 = asci code of P [[User:SirKitKat|sirKitKat]] ([[User talk:SirKitKat|talk]]) 13:07, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

My favourite xkcd in a while. =8o) Of the list I got a good laugh out of numbers 8 and 13. [[User:Jarod997|Jarod997]] ([[User talk:Jarod997|talk]]) 13:11, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I think a lot of this is his joke about programming languages loving the number 4. 2 + "2" = "4", [1,2,3] + 4 = true, 2+2 = DONE, and the range one all seem to support this. Also reminds me of this: http://xkcd.com/221/ {{unsigned ip|173.245.52.112}}

Why isn't yellowish blue just green? [[User:Djbrasier|Djbrasier]] ([[User talk:Djbrasier|talk]]) 16:18, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
:Because yellow and blue don't make green. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.237.158|108.162.237.158]] 23:33, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
::It does with my paint kit. Isn't that subtractive mixing. I feel like I've just traveled to a version of [[1268: Alternate Universe]], except I'm the only one here who went to kindergarten. What am I missing? [[User:Djbrasier|Djbrasier]] ([[User talk:Djbrasier|talk]]) 02:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::The only {{w|color wheel}} I know has purple (not blue) opposite yellow and orange (not yellow) opposite blue. If that is incorrect, then wikipedia needs some serious editing. [[User:Djbrasier|Djbrasier]] ([[User talk:Djbrasier|talk]]) 02:31, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

:::You're talking about the {{w|RYB color model}}, whereas most programming languages work in the {{w|RGB color model}}, where yellowish blue is undefined. [[Special:Contributions/188.114.97.151|188.114.97.151]] 23:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

:It's a lot simpler than that. Perceptually there is no yellowish-blue, one would never describe a blue as being yellowish. If you add yellow to blue you get greenish-blue, add more and you get green, then yellowish-green, then greenish-yellow. At no point would you describe the colour as either yellowish-blue or bluish-yellow. This is why it's the equivalent of NaN, you can use the language to tell the machine you want the result of "2/0", or you want the result of "blue with a yellowish tinge", but in either case it is not possible to represent the result. {{unsigned ip|141.101.98.154}}

line 4: I read NaP as Not a Problem. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.104.12|141.101.104.12]] 17:00, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
: So did I.  [[User:Xynariz|Xynariz]] ([[User talk:Xynariz|talk]]) 23:12, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
: To me, the (2/0) looks like a person curled up on bed with the +2 as the Z's indicating sleeping which I believe was the intention on top of 'P' being 2 chars more than 'N'

Line 3 is missing its prompt.  There does not appear to be any relevance to the joke, nor has anyone yet explained why it should be missing. Typo? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.183|108.162.221.183]] 17:10, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

:I haven't noticed it until I saw your comment. It seems deliberate to me. Hard not to notice that when writing the fourth line. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.48|108.162.221.48]] 19:24, 13 June 2015 (UTC)BK201

::Although I agree the context makes the mistake a hard one to have failed to be spotted, [http://explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/915 I still think there's not much sense in it being deliberate]. [[Special:Contributions/188.114.97.151|188.114.97.151]] 23:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Note that some programming languages avoid the problem of overloaded '+' operator between operands of vividly different types by using other symbols for string concatenation (be it "a"~"b" or "a"."b") and numerical addition.  The real WTF is abusing '+' for string concatenation, which has very different properties from numerical addition, not being symmetrical for example: concat("aa", "bb") == "aabb", while concat("bb", "aa") == "bbaa" != "aabb". --[[User:JakubNarebski|JakubNarebski]] ([[User talk:JakubNarebski|talk]]) 17:38, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Series of comics? I don't recall any others about Randall's new programming language... [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.29|141.101.98.29]] 19:13, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

;+2
I think this is a japanese language joke. The + sign can also refer to the kanji 十, which is 10 in japanese. This would explain the result being twelve. 十二, or 10 2, is twelve in japanese. {{unsigned|Rafaeladson}}

I think number 5 is an escaped quote (two consecutive double quotes yields one double quote), a plus sign, and another escaped quote. The result is shown with an alternate form of escaped quotes (the apostrophe and double quote can both be used to show a string). NSIS scripting language uses this notation.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.221.180|108.162.221.180]] 20:19, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Clearly this is what the xkcd phone's OS is written in (with some help from StackOverflow) {{unsigned ip|162.158.68.113}}



Great job at explaining the outputs. I clearly would have missed some interpretations without your insights. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.254.146|108.162.254.146]] 21:10, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

The joke on line [10] really doesn't seem to be a Chinese/Japanese language joke. We can see that the language interacts much more directly with line numbers from the inter-line joke between lines [11] and [14], where line [12] becomes [14] because the value of 2 has become 4. This is provable by observing that the line after [14] is [13], showing that the previous line really is still line [12], it simply displays as [14] because the value of 2 has changed. This absurdly direct interaction between the code and its line number makes the joke on line [10] make a lot more sense, as a Chinese/Japanese language joke here seems much too contrived and out-of-place considering the nature of the other jokes in the comic. Not to mention, if the joke on line [10] was really concerning the code's interaction with its line number, it would set up nicely for introducing the inter-line joke between lines [11] and [14].[[Special:Contributions/188.114.106.89|188.114.106.89]] 03:35, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

:Mostly agreed, but still it's an amusing coincidence. [[Special:Contributions/188.114.97.151|188.114.97.151]] 23:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

As a speaker of Japanese, the explanation "[In the Japanese number system] the plus sign is instead the symbol 十" sounds even more absurd than if someone said that English speakers use the small letter "t" as an addition symbol. "十" (ten) and "＋" (full-width plus) are different glyphs and using them interchangeably would certainly not be useful. Although depending on language skill and display font they may visually seem more equal than they're supposed to. 08:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

* #5—I'm surprised we've missed the obvious joke: quotations within quotations.  the double-quatation "I think so." gets single-quoted within another quotation: "He said, 'I think so.'"
* The word is "complements", not "opposites", on the colour wheel.  I think the joke is likely that most people think of "yellowish blue" as "green"—as it would be on an artists' colour wheel.  Regardless, complements on an RGB colour wheel should not result in NaN—it would result in a mix of yellow (255, 255, 0) and blue (0, 0, 255), which is white (255, 255, 255).
* [[Special:Contributions/108.162.226.174|108.162.226.174]] 12:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Is it bad that all I understood at first was the last one?{{unsigned|LuigiBrick}}

"yellowish blue" is actually parsed in HTML to be a red colour: #e00000 which is between pure red and "chucknorris".  See here: http://randomstringtocsscolor.com/ [[Special:Contributions/162.158.3.12|162.158.3.12]] 00:55, 15 June 2015 (UTC)Martin

In response to the comment above that  a mix of yellow (255, 255, 0) and blue (0, 0, 255) would be white (255, 255, 255): you could just as easily claim that the result would be black (0, 0, 0) ;-)  [[Special:Contributions/162.158.3.12|162.158.3.12]] 00:59, 15 June 2015 (UTC)Martin

And now I just wait for an implementation of this language to show up on GitHub. /grab popcorn [[User:Ralfoide|Ralfoide]] ([[User talk:Ralfoide|talk]]) 06:16, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

hmm i was thinking NaP could be Not a Problem? what do u guys think [[Special:Contributions/172.70.134.47|172.70.134.47]] 22:31, 13 September 2021 (UTC)Bumpf