https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1891:_Obsolete_Technology&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:1891: Obsolete Technology - Revision history2024-03-29T10:39:29ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.30.0https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1891:_Obsolete_Technology&diff=316554&oldid=prev172.71.98.57 at 14:26, 29 June 20232023-06-29T14:26:12Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I would argue that one of the main reasons DOS is still found in these sort of production environments, besides the fact that "it works and didn't need replacing", would be simply that DOS is very well-documented from a programming perspective, is EASY to program for, and above all, it allows direct access to hardware without having to do a lot of work. I still use qbasic in real dos to learn and prototype code that will eventually be used in a bare-metal context. Need to write to the serial ports? That's nothing, what if you need to do some very timing-specific things? DOS isn't technically real-time, but that's only because it isn't multitasking. It's almost as close as you can get to it. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.71.142|172.69.71.142]] 15:13, 4 June 2020 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I would argue that one of the main reasons DOS is still found in these sort of production environments, besides the fact that "it works and didn't need replacing", would be simply that DOS is very well-documented from a programming perspective, is EASY to program for, and above all, it allows direct access to hardware without having to do a lot of work. I still use qbasic in real dos to learn and prototype code that will eventually be used in a bare-metal context. Need to write to the serial ports? That's nothing, what if you need to do some very timing-specific things? DOS isn't technically real-time, but that's only because it isn't multitasking. It's almost as close as you can get to it. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.71.142|172.69.71.142]] 15:13, 4 June 2020 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>172.69.71.142https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1891:_Obsolete_Technology&diff=156050&oldid=prev172.68.253.59 at 14:57, 19 April 20182018-04-19T14:57:34Z<p></p>
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</table>162.158.79.65https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1891:_Obsolete_Technology&diff=145900&oldid=prevNiceGuy1 at 04:32, 26 September 20172017-09-26T04:32:26Z<p></p>
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</table>NiceGuy1https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1891:_Obsolete_Technology&diff=145899&oldid=prevNiceGuy1 at 04:07, 26 September 20172017-09-26T04:07:40Z<p></p>
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</table>NiceGuy1https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:1891:_Obsolete_Technology&diff=145839&oldid=prev162.158.111.115 at 07:16, 24 September 20172017-09-24T07:16:22Z<p></p>
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