https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2091:_Million,_Billion,_Trillion&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:2091: Million, Billion, Trillion - Revision history2024-03-29T07:45:00ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.30.0https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2091:_Million,_Billion,_Trillion&diff=311355&oldid=prev172.68.102.XXX: Blanked the page2023-04-24T06:16:27Z<p>Blanked the page</p>
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</table>172.68.102.XXXhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2091:_Million,_Billion,_Trillion&diff=311354&oldid=prev172.71.154.5 at 06:15, 24 April 20232023-04-24T06:15:34Z<p></p>
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</table>172.71.154.5https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2091:_Million,_Billion,_Trillion&diff=213992&oldid=prev162.158.203.26: arguing2021-06-23T11:34:25Z<p>arguing</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I said this earlier, and I'm going to say it again - the split between use of the short scale and the long scale is NOT a U.S. thing, nor an Atlantic Ocean thing! Just navigate to the hyperlinked page on Wikipedia, and scroll down to the graphic map showing who uses which system to see this very clearly. The majority of the globe uses the short scale except for the following regions:  Europe other than Britain, Iran, some countries in Africa, and some countries in Latin America and South America, as well as French speaking regions in otherwise short-scale countries. Notable non-U.S. short-scale countries include Russia and Australia, along with Eastern South America and most of Africa. It's frustrating when people insist on making something about those U.S.A. people that has nothing to do with us. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 14:51, 28 December 2018 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I said this earlier, and I'm going to say it again - the split between use of the short scale and the long scale is NOT a U.S. thing, nor an Atlantic Ocean thing! Just navigate to the hyperlinked page on Wikipedia, and scroll down to the graphic map showing who uses which system to see this very clearly. The majority of the globe uses the short scale except for the following regions:  Europe other than Britain, Iran, some countries in Africa, and some countries in Latin America and South America, as well as French speaking regions in otherwise short-scale countries. Notable non-U.S. short-scale countries include Russia and Australia, along with Eastern South America and most of Africa. It's frustrating when people insist on making something about those U.S.A. people that has nothing to do with us. [[User:Ianrbibtitlht|Ianrbibtitlht]] ([[User talk:Ianrbibtitlht|talk]]) 14:51, 28 December 2018 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>162.158.203.26https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2091:_Million,_Billion,_Trillion&diff=177220&oldid=prevParalyzoid at 17:49, 29 July 20192019-07-29T17:49:49Z<p></p>
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</table>Paralyzoidhttps://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2091:_Million,_Billion,_Trillion&diff=168626&oldid=prevNiceGuy1 at 03:59, 26 January 20192019-01-26T03:59:28Z<p></p>
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</table>NiceGuy1https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2091:_Million,_Billion,_Trillion&diff=168540&oldid=prev172.68.144.157 at 04:32, 24 January 20192019-01-24T04:32:43Z<p></p>
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</table>172.68.144.157https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2091:_Million,_Billion,_Trillion&diff=167880&oldid=prev162.158.154.133 at 08:29, 9 January 20192019-01-09T08:29:08Z<p></p>
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