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Hey, the back arrow here doesn't go back to yesterday's "Disappearing Sunday Update" [[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.28|162.158.75.28]] 18:17, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 
Hey, the back arrow here doesn't go back to yesterday's "Disappearing Sunday Update" [[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.28|162.158.75.28]] 18:17, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 
That's why it was disappearing. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.226.46|172.68.226.46]] 18:42, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 
That's why it was disappearing. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.226.46|172.68.226.46]] 18:42, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
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I think this could be improved by expanding out the translations from latin for the various parts of each cloud's name. I.e., cumulus is just "heaped"; cumulo-nimbus would be "heaped raincloud"; cumulo-nimbulo-nimbus would be "heaped rainy raincloud"; cumulo-nimbulo-nimbulo-cumulo-nimbus would be "heaped, rainy, rainy, heaped raincloud", and alto-cumu-lenticulo-strato-nimbulo-cirrus-lenticulo-mamma-noctilucent would be "mid-altitude, heaped, standing, rainy, wispy, standing, highly turbulent, and lit at night."  (Some of these descriptors are contradictory; cirrus clouds can not also be mammatus clouds.) (And yes, "mammatus" clouds mean what you think they mean.) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.142.82|162.158.142.82]] 19:08, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
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It says "soaker" in the description of the fourth cloud. Do we mean "super soaker"? It does look like a super soaker. I didn't dare change the description in case I am missing something.
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[[User:Cow|Cow]] ([[User talk:Cow|talk]]) 20:15, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
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:It says "soaker" in the description of the fourth cloud. It should say "Super Soaker"!  [[Special:Contributions/162.158.214.148|162.158.214.148]] 11:27, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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::I have corrected this with a link to [[220]]. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 12:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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I added that is may also look like a faucet. See https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzDGZ1TMWwki03pJ9dbpJhaXeq2mVq3fcO1GeDfPhx_5BHMT7K.  The little nub on the back top could represent the stopper control, and the little nub on the front could be the teat that holds the bucket handle.  I couldn't find a picture of one with a little nub on the front to hold the bucket handle - maybe it's old fashioned and they don't make them like that anymore - but I distinctly remember then from my childhood.
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update: found one https://as1.ftcdn.net/jpg/01/44/45/98/500_F_144459810_nJ4eVcyNP0NWkEoXYFfHzvda2uEJXOhA.jpg
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Could we modify the navigation system to go to the disappearing one? [[User:Jacky720|That's right, Jacky720 just signed this]] ([[User talk:Jacky720|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacky720|contribs]]) 20:21, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
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:No, the system should go through the comics as they are on xkcd. But there has been added trivia sections to both this and the previous comic with link to [[Disappearing Sunday Update]]. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 12:50, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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::You an find this and other comics not part of the normal xkcd relase schedule here: [[:Category:Extra comics]] --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 12:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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The explanation for the fifth cloud splits noctilucent into noctus and lucent and saying they have nothing to do with clouds when its actually referring to a type of very high altitude cloud seen rarely around twilight/dusk. They form from ice crystals and are illuminated by the sun below the horizon. --[[User:Kirkerbot|Kirkerbot]] ([[User talk:Kirkerbot|talk]]) 23:31, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
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The listed lapse rate for the troposphere seems high - the dry adiabatic lapse rate is around 9.8 °C/km, and Wikipedia indicates the average lapse rate is around 6.5 °C/km. [[User:Tovodeverett|Tovodeverett]] ([[User talk:Tovodeverett|talk]]) 05:02, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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We should add some more info on the cloud types that "Altocumulenticulostratonimbulocirruslenticulomammanoctilucent" seems to reference (altocumulus, stratus, cirrus etc.) [[User:Arcorann|Arcorann]] ([[User talk:Arcorann|talk]]) 11:01, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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I've added <wbr> tags to the long latin names, so they break at sensible places. If someone could verify that I've added them to the right places, that'd be great. Also, maybe we should/could use a soft hyphen (­) instead? [[User:Gir|-- //gir.st/]] ([[User talk:Gir|talk]]) 12:26, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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Can someone create a category for "Weather"?  This is one of many comics about weather, but I don't have permissions to create the category. [[User:Natg19|Natg19]] ([[User talk:Natg19|talk]]) 16:37, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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:Maybe... See [[User_talk:Natg19|personal message]] about creating such a category. I have removed it until we find out if that category is relevant enough. Should it be called just "Weather"? --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 07:21, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
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::After a minor discussion on Natg19's user page we have chosen to create the [[:Category:Weather]] after all, and with this name. Please feel free to add comics about weather to it. This one has of course been added  --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 11:24, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::I feel like there have been plenty enough comics about weather to warrant such a category. And I DO find categories and groups work best when named / defined as simply as possible, to make it easier to select group members. :) "Weather" is a very yes or no name, either a comic is about weather or it isn't, nice and easy. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
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The last cloud does look like a supersoaker, but it also reminds me of something expanding fractally.
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[[Special:Contributions/108.162.212.65|108.162.212.65]] 17:49, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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Whoever added the "citation needed" to the statement that cursed air does not exist has never gone in a bathroom after me.[[User:Daemonik|Daemonik]] ([[User talk:Daemonik|talk]]) 10:32, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
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Anyone getting major [https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aWYxEmd_460swp.webp OREREREREO] vibes here?
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Why was my addition that "''The title text also mentions a common joke in weather communities, making fun of the common trope that thunderstorms form when "warm moist air", meets "cold dry air", which is an extreme oversimplification. An example of this trope is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMtAaETOVSY&feature=youtu.be&t=448 here].'' " removed? No explanation was given.
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:Maybe because you don't sign your comments? :) Seriously, maybe it was that you left in the unnecessary "feature" parameter in that YouTube link (you only really need the "v" parameter), or that you included the "t" parameter (jump to 448 seconds into the video) but didn't mean to? [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

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Hey, the back arrow here doesn't go back to yesterday's "Disappearing Sunday Update" 162.158.75.28 18:17, 5 August 2019 (UTC) That's why it was disappearing. 172.68.226.46 18:42, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I think this could be improved by expanding out the translations from latin for the various parts of each cloud's name. I.e., cumulus is just "heaped"; cumulo-nimbus would be "heaped raincloud"; cumulo-nimbulo-nimbus would be "heaped rainy raincloud"; cumulo-nimbulo-nimbulo-cumulo-nimbus would be "heaped, rainy, rainy, heaped raincloud", and alto-cumu-lenticulo-strato-nimbulo-cirrus-lenticulo-mamma-noctilucent would be "mid-altitude, heaped, standing, rainy, wispy, standing, highly turbulent, and lit at night." (Some of these descriptors are contradictory; cirrus clouds can not also be mammatus clouds.) (And yes, "mammatus" clouds mean what you think they mean.) 162.158.142.82 19:08, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

It says "soaker" in the description of the fourth cloud. Do we mean "super soaker"? It does look like a super soaker. I didn't dare change the description in case I am missing something. Cow (talk) 20:15, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

It says "soaker" in the description of the fourth cloud. It should say "Super Soaker"! 162.158.214.148 11:27, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
I have corrected this with a link to 220. --Kynde (talk) 12:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I added that is may also look like a faucet. See https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzDGZ1TMWwki03pJ9dbpJhaXeq2mVq3fcO1GeDfPhx_5BHMT7K. The little nub on the back top could represent the stopper control, and the little nub on the front could be the teat that holds the bucket handle. I couldn't find a picture of one with a little nub on the front to hold the bucket handle - maybe it's old fashioned and they don't make them like that anymore - but I distinctly remember then from my childhood. update: found one https://as1.ftcdn.net/jpg/01/44/45/98/500_F_144459810_nJ4eVcyNP0NWkEoXYFfHzvda2uEJXOhA.jpg

Could we modify the navigation system to go to the disappearing one? That's right, Jacky720 just signed this (talk | contribs) 20:21, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

No, the system should go through the comics as they are on xkcd. But there has been added trivia sections to both this and the previous comic with link to Disappearing Sunday Update. --Kynde (talk) 12:50, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
You an find this and other comics not part of the normal xkcd relase schedule here: Category:Extra comics --Kynde (talk) 12:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

The explanation for the fifth cloud splits noctilucent into noctus and lucent and saying they have nothing to do with clouds when its actually referring to a type of very high altitude cloud seen rarely around twilight/dusk. They form from ice crystals and are illuminated by the sun below the horizon. --Kirkerbot (talk) 23:31, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

The listed lapse rate for the troposphere seems high - the dry adiabatic lapse rate is around 9.8 °C/km, and Wikipedia indicates the average lapse rate is around 6.5 °C/km. Tovodeverett (talk) 05:02, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

We should add some more info on the cloud types that "Altocumulenticulostratonimbulocirruslenticulomammanoctilucent" seems to reference (altocumulus, stratus, cirrus etc.) Arcorann (talk) 11:01, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I've added <wbr> tags to the long latin names, so they break at sensible places. If someone could verify that I've added them to the right places, that'd be great. Also, maybe we should/could use a soft hyphen (&shy;) instead? -- //gir.st/ (talk) 12:26, 6 August 2019 (UTC)


Can someone create a category for "Weather"? This is one of many comics about weather, but I don't have permissions to create the category. Natg19 (talk) 16:37, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Maybe... See personal message about creating such a category. I have removed it until we find out if that category is relevant enough. Should it be called just "Weather"? --Kynde (talk) 07:21, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
After a minor discussion on Natg19's user page we have chosen to create the Category:Weather after all, and with this name. Please feel free to add comics about weather to it. This one has of course been added --Kynde (talk) 11:24, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
I feel like there have been plenty enough comics about weather to warrant such a category. And I DO find categories and groups work best when named / defined as simply as possible, to make it easier to select group members. :) "Weather" is a very yes or no name, either a comic is about weather or it isn't, nice and easy. NiceGuy1 (talk) 04:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC)


The last cloud does look like a supersoaker, but it also reminds me of something expanding fractally. 108.162.212.65 17:49, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Whoever added the "citation needed" to the statement that cursed air does not exist has never gone in a bathroom after me.Daemonik (talk) 10:32, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Anyone getting major OREREREREO vibes here?

Why was my addition that "The title text also mentions a common joke in weather communities, making fun of the common trope that thunderstorms form when "warm moist air", meets "cold dry air", which is an extreme oversimplification. An example of this trope is here. " removed? No explanation was given.

Maybe because you don't sign your comments? :) Seriously, maybe it was that you left in the unnecessary "feature" parameter in that YouTube link (you only really need the "v" parameter), or that you included the "t" parameter (jump to 448 seconds into the video) but didn't mean to? NiceGuy1 (talk) 04:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC)