Editing Talk:2456: Types of Scientific Paper

I've a feeling we could find actual papers that paraphrase down to those in the comic. Also, lol at the 500 scientists' "citation" section. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.104|162.158.159.104]] 20:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

As we edit this we should probably pay attention to the content / layout of the article images: The number of lines beneath the title and layout of each "paper" he's drawn could be relevant to the joke. For example, the "500 scientists" presumably have a massive authors list, and the one on how "everyone else is doing it wrong" has a single author and a particularly "article-esque" layout.

[[Special:Contributions/172.68.132.45|172.68.132.45]] 21:04, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

True. Do you think we should add another column describing the pictured paper to the explanation chart?
[[User:Reywas|Reywas]] ([[User talk:Reywas|talk]]) 21:06, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

For the "student volunteers" paper, many experiments involve adding hurdles for the participants to deal with. Like interrupting them, depriving them of sleep, adding distracting information, etc. It's not uncommon that these make them worse at the tasks. So this is just another research paper like that. [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 01:24, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

:Isn't the 'hurdles' style of paper WAY more common than the proposed psychological experiment? It's describing a simple tasks cognitive function test. They run those all the time to prove the effects of oxygen, caffeine, sleep, sugar, music, trauma, comfortable chairs, the color yellow, etc. I can't recall seeing ANY paper like the suggested psychology experiment to make people unlearn skills, let alone enough for that to be a whole category.

Nobody has pointed out that the "Maybe all these categories are wrong" title directly pertains to this very comic... [[User:John.Adriaan|John.Adriaan]] ([[User talk:John.Adriaan|talk]]) 02:17, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

:I think that’s the more likely ‘correct’ interpretation, honestly. Maybe we should add more detail now that it’s mentioned? [[User:Tague|Tague]] ([[User talk:Tague|talk]]) 12:56, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
:At the least the list of categories is incomplete. The broader question is whether there are concentrations of papers in some areas of feature space (a subjectively plausible conclusion - I could offer some examples from botany such as "we compared the performance of several cultivars of a crop species under specific conditions") or do papers fall into a relatively flat continuum in that space. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.107.78|141.101.107.78]] 11:35, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Should we add another colum to include the corresponding LaTeX template? Some of them seem like that could easily be found.

These are titles of papers, so shouldn't each word be capitalized? For example: "We Put a Camera Somewhere New". I realize that the original is in all caps, but that's because that's the usual format for comics . . . . [[Special:Contributions/172.68.57.179|172.68.57.179]] 10:45, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Paper titles are usually not capitalized, contrary to journal names. You can see an example at the [https://repositorio.uc.cl/xmlui/bitstream/handle/11534/13948/Observation%20of%20a%20new%20particle%20in%20the%20search%20for%20the%20Standard%20Model%20Higgs%20boson%20with%20the%20ATLAS%20detector%20at%20the%20LHC.pdf Higgs Boson] paper cited in the comic description (there are, of course, others.) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.105.134|141.101.105.134]] 11:32, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Why does the explanation say "There are no headers" for the "We put a camera somewhere new" paper? I assume "headers" refers to "section headers", of which I see more in the camera-paper than in e.g. the immune system-paper (or the old records-paper). [[Special:Contributions/141.101.96.28|141.101.96.28]] 11:25, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

:Probably referring to the lack of actual legible ''text'' for us to comment on the content of the paper. [[User:Tague|Tague]] ([[User talk:Tague|talk]]) 12:49, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

:I feel that the assumption made in a lot of the table that the text in each Paper is meant to be their literal title, is wrong. It strikes me more as an humorous explanation of "what sort of paper this is" for instance the first paper would indicate that a relevant category of scientific papers are about a camera being put someplace new and the data/photo's gathered from that, rather than an example of "clickbait". The actual papers in that category would presumably have an actual name relating to where the camera was actually put. 14:29, 29 April 2021 (UTC)~

::I interpret them as a mix of "over-generalized" headlines and less-than-literal summaries of that general sort of paper's content. [[User:Tague|Tague]] ([[User talk:Tague|talk]]) 14:41, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
::I read (e.g., for starters) "We put a camera somewhere new" both as very true to the emotional spirit ''and'' a  paraphrasing of the true archetype membership being referenced - such as something like "Rat-mounted cameras for remote surveying of sewer pipes" (if that's not already been done, which I suspect it has!), etc. I suspect there's a few "one weird thing"-inspired titles out there, influenced by modern 'headline' links (with or without self-awareness), and ''know'' there's a whole history of "my colleague is wrong!" papers, even if not in exactly that wording, pushing the author's own biases in a self-important ranting style, or a rambling one that's an unstructured manifesto of 'thoughts' about all prior 'experts' on a pet issue. There's some deconstruction involved, but with easy reconstruction back to reality. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.158.113|162.158.158.113]] 19:54, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

== Derivatives ==

Should this (and any others, which I think likely exist or are about to) go in the main article?
https://twitter.com/GreenBankObserv/status/1388148786707406854

[[File:2456-radioastronomy.jpeg|500px]]

"With apologies to Mr. Munroe, may we present: Types of Radio Astronomy Papers"

— [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 18:40, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
: These are good fun, but I don't think we are gonna put it up in image form in the main article. Maybe a section of external links will do. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.165.235|162.158.165.235]] 00:56, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
:: I don't think that links are a very effective way to show these. I feel like they need to be a gallery. Perhaps it should be a separate wiki page that is linked from the main article?

::Here are some more:
{| class="wikitable"
| https://twitter.com/neil_chilson/status/1388216386967715846	|| Privacy Paper
|-
| https://twitter.com/SamLMontano/status/1388268078279049217	|| Disaster Science Paper
|-
| https://twitter.com/jfbastien/status/1388229180211404803	|| C++ Standards papers
|-
| https://twitter.com/waiterich/status/1388207060412682247	|| Scientific Paper (Food, Land, and Natural Climate Solutions Version)
|-
| https://twitter.com/stefan_d_jevtic/status/1388192045920137216	|| Hematology
|-
| https://twitter.com/jeffpeapod/status/1388185831140118529	|| Papers for Grad Students
|-
| https://twitter.com/EdinburghKnee/status/1388069182642794496	|| Ortho Paper
|-
| https://twitter.com/j_remy_green/status/1387960392954138624	|| Law Paper
|-
| https://twitter.com/JavierApfeld/status/1387891336515362819	|| Aging Paper
|-
| https://twitter.com/Gabeincognito/status/1387873643435216897	|| Infosec Paper
|-
| https://twitter.com/acarriebear/status/1387870050581889024	|| Toxicology
|-
| https://twitter.com/yesitsnicholas/status/1387865583908114432	|| Neuroscience
|-
| https://twitter.com/nexel_art/status/1388263392545280009	|| Archeology
|-
| https://twitter.com/skinnyfatPhD/status/1388253551013498882	|| Metabolism
|-
| https://twitter.com/zamanian_/status/1388179675806158848	|| Parasitology
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| https://twitter.com/PWGTennant/status/1387734254960975881	|| Epidemiology and Public Health
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| https://twitter.com/DrIanKellar/status/1387760304818372620	|| Health Psychology
|-
| https://twitter.com/nappqm/status/1388098251136589824	 	|| Pest Science
|-
| https://twitter.com/theangelremiel/status/1388134620219297793	|| Clinical Paper
|-
| https://twitter.com/plantspipettes/status/1387825850372997121	|| Plant science
|-
| https://twitter.com/girlandkat/status/1388030240358768642	|| Planetary Science
|-
| https://twitter.com/Nesquixotic/status/1387848121342853122	|| History
|-
| 
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| https://twitter.com/AndrewBarnas/status/1388161745684996098	|| Scientific Paper PAYWALL meta-joke
|}
:: — [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 13:45, 1 May 2021 (UTC)



The meme is now so popular there is an article in the atlantic about it; maybe that should be included:  
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/05/xkcd-science-paper-meme-nails-academic-publishing/618810/
:: --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.89.113|162.158.89.113]] 14:28, 7 May 2021 (UTC)