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Why would this experiment be more unethical than any regular placebo trial? In either case you're telling patients they're getting actual medication when in reality they're getting sugar pills (or whatever you use as placebo). [[User:Bischoff|Bischoff]] ([[User talk:Bischoff|talk]]) 08:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 
Why would this experiment be more unethical than any regular placebo trial? In either case you're telling patients they're getting actual medication when in reality they're getting sugar pills (or whatever you use as placebo). [[User:Bischoff|Bischoff]] ([[User talk:Bischoff|talk]]) 08:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
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:In a normal trial, the patients are told the researcher is giving out some candidate medicine and some placebo - typically they'd have a 50% chance of receiving a medicine that may help them. In this case, none of the treatments given will actually contain the active ingredient. I suppose it depends what you consider the "trial" (whether it includes all the test sites or just the one Cueball is running).[[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.46|172.70.85.46]] 10:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
  
 
I'd sort of assume a placebo IRB would approve or deny projects randomly, where as a real one would "work" and actually analyse the projects being proposed. You could use this to see if the IRB is more ethical than a placebo, which you'd seriously hope. There'd obviously be a whole conversation on what constitutes more ethical, but you could prove that experimentally with a trial involving real and placebo philosophy and ethics departments [[Special:Contributions/172.70.250.245|172.70.250.245]] 09:29, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 
I'd sort of assume a placebo IRB would approve or deny projects randomly, where as a real one would "work" and actually analyse the projects being proposed. You could use this to see if the IRB is more ethical than a placebo, which you'd seriously hope. There'd obviously be a whole conversation on what constitutes more ethical, but you could prove that experimentally with a trial involving real and placebo philosophy and ethics departments [[Special:Contributions/172.70.250.245|172.70.250.245]] 09:29, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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Woah! This is the first time I've seen a new comic without an explanation. It's pretty weird. SilverTheTerribleMathematician (talk) 02:36, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

You just need to have checked at the right (or wrong?) time, which is different every publication day so you can't generally predict it. But at least three readers find empty explanations every week, and now it's your turn!. OR, maybe this is just the first time you've unknowingly checked the placebo wiki... ;) 172.70.91.75 02:54, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

04:10, 19 January 2023 (UTC)~ Comment on the title text. IRB is an Institutional Review Board, which I guess is a committee that decides if research is ethical and ok to do. The title text refers g to a placebo IRB, which I suppose is a fake IRB that can approve research as part of an experiment to determine the real effects of IRBs. Or something.

Why would this experiment be more unethical than any regular placebo trial? In either case you're telling patients they're getting actual medication when in reality they're getting sugar pills (or whatever you use as placebo). Bischoff (talk) 08:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

In a normal trial, the patients are told the researcher is giving out some candidate medicine and some placebo - typically they'd have a 50% chance of receiving a medicine that may help them. In this case, none of the treatments given will actually contain the active ingredient. I suppose it depends what you consider the "trial" (whether it includes all the test sites or just the one Cueball is running).172.70.85.46 10:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

I'd sort of assume a placebo IRB would approve or deny projects randomly, where as a real one would "work" and actually analyse the projects being proposed. You could use this to see if the IRB is more ethical than a placebo, which you'd seriously hope. There'd obviously be a whole conversation on what constitutes more ethical, but you could prove that experimentally with a trial involving real and placebo philosophy and ethics departments 172.70.250.245 09:29, 19 January 2023 (UTC)