Talk:2977: Three Kinds of Research

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Aren't there two missing ones: standard model+standard circumstances (i.e. remembering you have to have something to turn in and it's the night before the science fair) and novel theory+novel circumstances (i.e. what if the universe is actually a seven dimensional tuna salad sandwich?) RegularSizedGuy (talk) 04:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

ah, but that isn't professional research. youtu.be/miLcaqq2Zpk 06:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
I shall add this to the list: miLcaqq2Zpk 162.158.197.157 (talk) 14:56, 27 August 2024 (please sign your comments with ~~~~) (whatever the reason/need was to say this)
Standard model+standard circumstances, in moderation, is an essential part of science. Repeating an experiment a few times helps show what the real results are. If anything, there tends to be an unfortunate bias to not repeating experiments enough (harder to get them funded/published than it should be). It becomes a standard model and standard circumstances by repetition. 172.70.206.209 07:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I originally thought that Hairy was mapping every tree as in like a binary tree, and was covered in plants for some other, possibly related reason. Also, what's this about <blah>? 172.69.22.50 20:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Knowing Randall, this was a mathematical investigation, but Hairy got a little more "into the (initially mathematical) trees" than intended. Might be worth expanding on this, but it's (intentionally, thus humorously) vague so it could have a lot of different thoughts attached to it.
As to the other bit:
  • Someone wrote a non sequitur trolling on that subject you mentioned, even though the comic has absolutely nothing to do with it (and the comments weren't exactly a notably intellectual analysis, anyway, even if it had been). Others fed the troll a bit, there was some editing done and then a resurgence (just as poorly done) that you got to see but had left of most of the early 'context' absent.
  • It's all readable in the page history. Not worth reading, IMO, but it's there. But now not here. Bye bye the whole (limited) discussion as a non-executive decision on my part.
  • I would not normally delete/edit others' comments from Talk (especially of regulars), but definitely more smoke than fire and more heat than light so no loss. If established users wish to create a subsection for it, and paste it all back in, they're welcome to and can easily do so. Until then, any other anon-IP or recently created username that starts up with another clear and irrelevent trolling should probably consider themselves fair game to be deleted again (and perhaps by actual named editors/admin), plus any purely troll-feeding replies that had only that relevence.
HTH, HAND. 172.70.91.90 23:59, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Mapping individual trees is an actual thing, and how to do that is a field of research. I had a quick look and saw that it has come a long way since I gave up studying Forestry to become a teacher instead: Mapping individual trees with airborne laser scanning data... Individual structure mapping over six million trees for NYC app for GPS-mapping so-called "habitat trees" that provide ecological niches and thus get special protection to promote biodiversity Germany seems to be much bigger on this than other countries; anyway I can well remember how this kind of thing was a typical interns' task in my day and obviously still is. It's fairly reasonable to assume, though, that this may not have been exactly on top of Randall's mind. PaulEberhardt (talk) 08:05, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Come to think of it, Hairy doesn't specify a particular area or type of tree, so he may have got carried away after all. PaulEberhardt (talk) 08:11, 29 August 2024 (UTC)


What if we apply a novel theory to novel circumstances? ;) 172.69.71.83 18:55, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

The state of California did actually map every tree in the state: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/heres-map-all-trees-california-180955708/

I previously added a paragraph about Hairy's gender which then got removed because it was bloated by further edits. (At least, I hope that was the reason.) I've reintroduced a more concise explanation that should stand the test of time as it is both interesting and important IMHO. Please note that I have deliberately not used the term 'non-binary' as this is not a catch-all term for any gender-diverse individual. I like the term 'gender-expansive' but not everyone knows what that means. :-)172.70.91.254 18:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Trouble is, the absolutely most likely explanation is that it was a their-plural. Then that it's their-indetermined (by the speaker). The their-otherness (self-proclaimed alternate-gender) option is a valid but still exceptional reason, in comparison. If in doubt about which decision was made, we could fall back to number two (if we're aware enough about sensitivity), but only because we're not yet entrusted with the original reason, not knowing about their knowledge (or otherwise), and attitude, of Hairy's particular scenario. Until someone says "my pronouns are...", you could just as much annoy them by hypercorrecting the common assumptions. (There are certain types I wouldn't mind annoying, because one needn't tolerate intolerance, but there's not just that to consider.) 172.70.91.100 22:15, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
I disagree. Given the scale of the endeavour as demonstrated by how dishevelled Hairy looks, it seems to me that the idea is that Hairy made that map *alone*. I guess it's possible that the title text is referring to multiple people, but I never interpreted it like that. The map being a solo project also fits with the comedy of the comic.172.70.90.123 23:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Hairy might just be the only (or first) one that got back from the woods with the results, or the most presentable and/or effusively capable for the task of public speaking. I doubt the other two were sole-authors*, either, of their own publications (assumed not an actual doctoral 'viva', which would be more personal and individual) and a double-act (or group) presentation team isn't generally the norm unless you're going for actual theatrics in announcing your (entertaining) results to the world. 172.70.91.76 11:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
* - meant to say, sole authors of the paper that described how "we" (their team) provided the presentation material. 172.70.91.53 11:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

An example of the 3rd kind of research: https://x.com/jasoncrawford/status/1835819853157962137 : Listing "every Anglo-Saxon whose name we know". Rps (talk)