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:: I'm not sure that current agriculture would be an issue. Unless they are play-acting or in some kind of _The Village_ setup, they seem unlikely to be current-day humans. They seem strangely ignorant of some obvious things and yet aware of others. There might be a few tribal peoples living in tents that would be unaware of the next river over, but they would be unlikely to be confused by birds nesting. Or be using trebuchets and European castle architecture in sandcastles. And if they genuinely walked for "days" along the shore, it seems unlikely to be a _The Village_ setup; that's got to be 20 miles even taking a leisurely trip for just two days, and probably more. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 23:36, 17 June 2013 (UTC) | :: I'm not sure that current agriculture would be an issue. Unless they are play-acting or in some kind of _The Village_ setup, they seem unlikely to be current-day humans. They seem strangely ignorant of some obvious things and yet aware of others. There might be a few tribal peoples living in tents that would be unaware of the next river over, but they would be unlikely to be confused by birds nesting. Or be using trebuchets and European castle architecture in sandcastles. And if they genuinely walked for "days" along the shore, it seems unlikely to be a _The Village_ setup; that's got to be 20 miles even taking a leisurely trip for just two days, and probably more. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 23:36, 17 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
| − | It might be interesting, however, that there's a striking resemblance between the Grandidier's Baobab depicted in the comic at frame 1525 | + | It might be interesting, however, that there's a striking resemblance between the Grandidier's Baobab depicted in the comic at frame 1525 [http://geekwagon.net/projects/xkcd1190/?frame=1525] and the tree on the left in the Wikimedia picture [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Adansonia_grandidieri03.jpg Grandidier's Baobab (Adansonia grandidieri) near Morondava, Madagascar]. [[User:Galois|Galois]] ([[User talk:Galois|talk]]) 18:24, 16 June 2013 (UTC) |
:That place is surprisingly like the comic, especially when explored [[Expedition]] style. It has beaches, other rivers, baobabs, etc! And doesn't the fact that they slept overnight invalidate the northern hemisphere theory and mess with determining the walking direction by the sun? Despite all this, I doubt being in Madagascar does much for understanding the meaning of the comic. --[[User:Irino.|Irino.]] ([[User talk:Irino.|talk]]) 01:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC) | :That place is surprisingly like the comic, especially when explored [[Expedition]] style. It has beaches, other rivers, baobabs, etc! And doesn't the fact that they slept overnight invalidate the northern hemisphere theory and mess with determining the walking direction by the sun? Despite all this, I doubt being in Madagascar does much for understanding the meaning of the comic. --[[User:Irino.|Irino.]] ([[User talk:Irino.|talk]]) 01:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
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== Frame 2188 == | == Frame 2188 == | ||
| − | I'm surprised nobody has mentioned or come up with theories about | + | I'm surprised nobody has mentioned or come up with theories about [http://bit.ly/16fGzVM frame 2188]. I guess we now know that it was the cat stalking them. |
--[[Special:Contributions/68.147.179.172|68.147.179.172]] 01:04, 21 June 2013 (UTC) | --[[Special:Contributions/68.147.179.172|68.147.179.172]] 01:04, 21 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
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== Frames 2231-2232 == | == Frames 2231-2232 == | ||
| − | What is that on the far right of the screen | + | What is that on [http://bit.ly/11QNRvN the far right of the screen]? Any theories at all? |
:Boom mike? Martian tripod? [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 07:40, 21 June 2013 (UTC) | :Boom mike? Martian tripod? [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 07:40, 21 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
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== It's getting cloudy. == | == It's getting cloudy. == | ||
| − | Upper right corner of | + | Upper right corner of [http://geekwagon.net/projects/xkcd1190/?frame=2352&framediff=2351 frame 2352]? Also the other three corners have something going on. [[Special:Contributions/99.72.154.66|99.72.154.66]] 03:25, 26 June 2013 (UTC) |
: May Randall is reading this Wiki and saw the complain about still air :-) [[User:Joggl|Joggl]] ([[User talk:Joggl|talk]]) 06:09, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | : May Randall is reading this Wiki and saw the complain about still air :-) [[User:Joggl|Joggl]] ([[User talk:Joggl|talk]]) 06:09, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
:: Or maybe Megan is getting cold because a storm's coming. Maybe they don't know about storms in the hills or mountains. Note that the "people in the hills" where they live are perhaps not friendly, according to the earlier conversation about going on up the mountain: Cueball: "We can't be more than a day or so from the top. There may be people there." Megan: "Like the people in the hills?" Cueball: "We're a long way from there." If the people of the hills back home are unfriendly, Cueball and Megan may have no experience of hill weather. [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 11:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | :: Or maybe Megan is getting cold because a storm's coming. Maybe they don't know about storms in the hills or mountains. Note that the "people in the hills" where they live are perhaps not friendly, according to the earlier conversation about going on up the mountain: Cueball: "We can't be more than a day or so from the top. There may be people there." Megan: "Like the people in the hills?" Cueball: "We're a long way from there." If the people of the hills back home are unfriendly, Cueball and Megan may have no experience of hill weather. [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 11:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
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: I think the upper constellation on 2394 is the Sagittarius. The lower one, which can be seen better on 2393 is the tail of the Scorpion constellation. The two bright stars close to each other above the tree are Shaula and Lesath. The brightest star is a planet, probably Venus. The only think bothers me is that there is an other star very close to Ascella in Sagittarius, which should not be there... Maybe an other planet? --[[Special:Contributions/80.98.250.115|80.98.250.115]] 21:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | : I think the upper constellation on 2394 is the Sagittarius. The lower one, which can be seen better on 2393 is the tail of the Scorpion constellation. The two bright stars close to each other above the tree are Shaula and Lesath. The brightest star is a planet, probably Venus. The only think bothers me is that there is an other star very close to Ascella in Sagittarius, which should not be there... Maybe an other planet? --[[Special:Contributions/80.98.250.115|80.98.250.115]] 21:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
::I think you may have it. I passed over Sagittarius at first, because they looked too close together, but I think I was overestimating the scale. Virgo and Gemini both contain something close to the Y pattern of four bright stars, but the surrounding stars aren't right. If it's a planet, it would have to be naked eye visible but not as bright as Ascella,and I don't think there is anything that fits, which is a pity, because we could work out possible years. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 22:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | ::I think you may have it. I passed over Sagittarius at first, because they looked too close together, but I think I was overestimating the scale. Virgo and Gemini both contain something close to the Y pattern of four bright stars, but the surrounding stars aren't right. If it's a planet, it would have to be naked eye visible but not as bright as Ascella,and I don't think there is anything that fits, which is a pity, because we could work out possible years. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 22:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
| − | :::Reviewing further, I'm even more convinced. If you get a star map in the right orientation, you can see that the rest of Scorpio is becoming visible just above the horizon in | + | :::Reviewing further, I'm even more convinced. If you get a star map in the right orientation, you can see that the rest of Scorpio is becoming visible just above the horizon in frame 2393: [http://bit.ly/16CpyoQ]. And the arc of stars the three consellations are 'facing' matches up with the Serpent and Ophiuchius, including the visual binary of Delta and Epsilon Ophiuchi. If you look at a sky map for Nov 7, 2013, Venus is in about the right configuration. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 23:14, 27 June 2013 (UTC) |
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::Actually, for the moon it could be 2029, but there's another blocking factor: Mars should be next to Venus in 2037. And for the next few eight year cycles, some combination of Mercury, the moon, and Saturn should be showing up between Venus and the Sun before the stars do. So it looks like 2053 would be the first matching date. And the next date after that 2085 - it precesses forward a bit each year, so it would be Nov 12 by 2085. Seems a bit late for grapes and hiking without any thought of shelter, but if it's 30N it is likely a pretty warm area. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 02:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC) | ::Actually, for the moon it could be 2029, but there's another blocking factor: Mars should be next to Venus in 2037. And for the next few eight year cycles, some combination of Mercury, the moon, and Saturn should be showing up between Venus and the Sun before the stars do. So it looks like 2053 would be the first matching date. And the next date after that 2085 - it precesses forward a bit each year, so it would be Nov 12 by 2085. Seems a bit late for grapes and hiking without any thought of shelter, but if it's 30N it is likely a pretty warm area. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 02:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
:::Going backwards, the first one with no planets is 1981, but there would be a nearly full moon, and that scene does not look illuminated by a full moon. The most recent one with no planets and no moon interfering would be 1949. But that's purely my amateur estimation using the online AstroViewer. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 02:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC) | :::Going backwards, the first one with no planets is 1981, but there would be a nearly full moon, and that scene does not look illuminated by a full moon. The most recent one with no planets and no moon interfering would be 1949. But that's purely my amateur estimation using the online AstroViewer. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 02:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
| − | I wandered over to the forum, and they agree with our conclusion of Sagittarius, and one of them had a interesting observation: Antares is gone. It should be the brightest thing in this view apart from Venus, and you can see the two stars that should flank it appear | + | I wandered over to the forum, and they agree with our conclusion of Sagittarius, and one of them had a interesting observation: Antares is gone. It should be the brightest thing in this view apart from Venus, and you can see the two stars that should flank it appear here [[http://bit.ly/12tfHNG]], between Cueball's head and the tree, but no Antares. Which suggests that this is set sufficiently far in the future that Antares has gone supernova (which it is due to do.) [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 06:27, 28 June 2013 (UTC) |
:Even more suggestive of a far future: certain of the stars in the Scorpion appear to have moved. If you go to Hipparchos [[http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA-general/Projects/Hipparcos/apps/ShowMotion.html]] and enter RA 260.4, Dec -42, and V(lim) 4.4, you will get the stars in the head and part of the body of the Scorpion. If you run it forward several thousand years, you'll see that the high-motion stars match with the distortions in the XKCD sky.[[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 08:05, 28 June 2013 (UTC) | :Even more suggestive of a far future: certain of the stars in the Scorpion appear to have moved. If you go to Hipparchos [[http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA-general/Projects/Hipparcos/apps/ShowMotion.html]] and enter RA 260.4, Dec -42, and V(lim) 4.4, you will get the stars in the head and part of the body of the Scorpion. If you run it forward several thousand years, you'll see that the high-motion stars match with the distortions in the XKCD sky.[[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 08:05, 28 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
One last thing (for the moment): The angle of the sun and planets are what they should be for c. 30-33 degrees N, but to get the constellations angled the right way, it's closer to 12 degrees north. This may be precession, which could also explain the grapes in what would be currently by the stars the beginning of November -- the vernal equinox may have precessed forward, resulting in the sun being in Virgo/Libra in summer rather than fall. 15,000 years would put it in Libra in June, for example [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 16:27, 28 June 2013 (UTC) | One last thing (for the moment): The angle of the sun and planets are what they should be for c. 30-33 degrees N, but to get the constellations angled the right way, it's closer to 12 degrees north. This may be precession, which could also explain the grapes in what would be currently by the stars the beginning of November -- the vernal equinox may have precessed forward, resulting in the sun being in Virgo/Libra in summer rather than fall. 15,000 years would put it in Libra in June, for example [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 16:27, 28 June 2013 (UTC) | ||
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Looks like a great platform to build another sand castle. Too bad there's probably no sand...--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 13:19, 5 July 2013 (UTC) | Looks like a great platform to build another sand castle. Too bad there's probably no sand...--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 13:19, 5 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
| − | My guess is that the tower may semaphore tower that is under instruction (or abandoned) and part semaphore tower in a {{w|Semaphore_line}}. In | + | My guess is that the tower may semaphore tower that is under instruction (or abandoned) and part semaphore tower in a {{w|Semaphore_line}}. In [http://bit.ly/11oG7Xi frame 2594] where Megan reports seeing flashes. Could those flashes be distant semaphore signals? [[User:Chongo|Chongo]] ([[User talk:Chongo|talk]]) 00:05, 7 July 2013 (UTC) |
:In frame 2686 we see more of these towers. Those may be part of a semaphore line that you suggest. [[Special:Contributions/166.137.209.163|166.137.209.163]] 05:33, 10 July 2013 (UTC) | :In frame 2686 we see more of these towers. Those may be part of a semaphore line that you suggest. [[Special:Contributions/166.137.209.163|166.137.209.163]] 05:33, 10 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
I think it's an telescope or something like this. Maybe they see the sea rising with this thing... [[User:Joggl|Joggl]] ([[User talk:Joggl|talk]]) 19:22, 11 July 2013 (UTC) | I think it's an telescope or something like this. Maybe they see the sea rising with this thing... [[User:Joggl|Joggl]] ([[User talk:Joggl|talk]]) 19:22, 11 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
| − | After seeing | + | After seeing [http://bit.ly/16CinLu frame 2803] I'm pretty sure these are triangulation points which historically were used for geodetics, see e.g. [http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/geoinformation/bezugssysteme/download/flyer_rauenberg.pdf] (3.6MB, sorry only German text). --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 21:03, 14 July 2013 (UTC) |
== all okWTF FADE! == | == all okWTF FADE! == | ||
just - what's going on??! [[Special:Contributions/83.8.22.78|83.8.22.78]] 22:15, 6 July 2013 (UTC) | just - what's going on??! [[Special:Contributions/83.8.22.78|83.8.22.78]] 22:15, 6 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
| − | :Fade from white to the castle and we get to see what beret girl has been up to (last we saw, she was dragging something in frame | + | :Fade from white to the castle and we get to see what beret girl has been up to (last we saw, she was [http://geekwagon.net/projects/xkcd1190/?frame=970&framediff=969 dragging something in frame]). [[Special:Contributions/216.98.244.174|216.98.244.174]] 22:55, 6 July 2013 (UTC) |
:I think this is where the water level is now. If so, holy crap! Is there anything hidden in the white frame? --[[User:Irino.|Irino.]] ([[User talk:Irino.|talk]]) 00:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC) | :I think this is where the water level is now. If so, holy crap! Is there anything hidden in the white frame? --[[User:Irino.|Irino.]] ([[User talk:Irino.|talk]]) 00:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
:[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MeanwhileScene Meanwhile, back at the beach...] [[Special:Contributions/216.239.45.94|216.239.45.94]] 04:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC) | :[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MeanwhileScene Meanwhile, back at the beach...] [[Special:Contributions/216.239.45.94|216.239.45.94]] 04:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
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=== Language === | === Language === | ||
| − | Is someone trying to decipher what they are saying? It might be more or less some kind of substitution cypher, but I'm not sure yet which letters are actually the same (e.g. 1st in | + | Is someone trying to decipher what they are saying? It might be more or less some kind of substitution cypher, but I'm not sure yet which letters are actually the same (e.g. 1st in [http://bit.ly/13GB708] and 1st in [http://bit.ly/13GK6OY] are quite likely the same. But the last but ones in these frames just look close in my view (also to 9th in [http://bit.ly/12zW0VI])). Sentences seem to end with the an ° or ¯ above the last letter. [[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 09:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC) |
:The ° or ¯ above the last letter appear to be a period or a question mark respectively.--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 10:38, 9 July 2013 (UTC) | :The ° or ¯ above the last letter appear to be a period or a question mark respectively.--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 10:38, 9 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
| − | :: | + | ::[http://bit.ly/12Ut89y] is identical to the last two words of [http://bit.ly/12UdQpO]. Apparently that is the stuff they applied on Megan's leg. [[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 10:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC) |
:::We can't decipher because it's just Randalls invention. At 2545:00 we have a clear 69 at the last word.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC) | :::We can't decipher because it's just Randalls invention. At 2545:00 we have a clear 69 at the last word.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
| − | :: My current theory is ¯ means "!" so | + | :: My current theory is ¯ means "!" so [http://bit.ly/12rrmNg] could be "Water!" - "Yes!!, Water!!". I'm not sure about the substitution cypher theory anymore, though. Unless some signs represent two Latin characters. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 12:05, 11 July 2013 (UTC) |
| − | ::: | + | ::: [http://bit.ly/12qc6S1] is another hint that [[File:Dialog2806d.png]] could mean "Yes." The rest of the dialog looks similar to [http://bit.ly/1av9NWy]. Hopefully, they meet the translator soon. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 21:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC) |
I believe it's possible to translate their language into pervect english by simple replacing their symbols by roman letters (the right way). For "water" we have an example. ([[User talk:FG|talk]]) 17:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC) | I believe it's possible to translate their language into pervect english by simple replacing their symbols by roman letters (the right way). For "water" we have an example. ([[User talk:FG|talk]]) 17:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
| − | :What could the last word in | + | :What could the last word in [http://bit.ly/10OP4Xe] be then? It ends the same way as "water"/"drink", except for a ° instead of a ¯ over the last letter, but has an additional "3"-shaped letter at the beginning. I'm starting to believe that Randall put a bit more effort into designing this language. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 15:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC) |
It is clearly not a letter-per-letter cipher; I think Randall has been considerably cleverer than that. It looks like a (fictional) Semitic language, in which case individual characters could indicate syllables rather than letters, but I doubt that it is a simple cipher for English at the syllable level either. At this stage it is impossible to say how far he has gone in creating an original syntax, but I would note that we have seen the word that means "water" (or "drink") in at least two forms (a simple form used by Cueball, and a form with a kind of 3 at the beginning used as the last word of the Beanie's response to Cueball's picture). I'm confident the ¯ is simply a period, ° a question mark, and the double ¯ is an exclamation mark. The other stray marks could be other punctuation marks as well. [[User:KenBrown|KenBrown]] ([[User talk:KenBrown|talk]]) 15:55, 11 July 2013 (UTC) | It is clearly not a letter-per-letter cipher; I think Randall has been considerably cleverer than that. It looks like a (fictional) Semitic language, in which case individual characters could indicate syllables rather than letters, but I doubt that it is a simple cipher for English at the syllable level either. At this stage it is impossible to say how far he has gone in creating an original syntax, but I would note that we have seen the word that means "water" (or "drink") in at least two forms (a simple form used by Cueball, and a form with a kind of 3 at the beginning used as the last word of the Beanie's response to Cueball's picture). I'm confident the ¯ is simply a period, ° a question mark, and the double ¯ is an exclamation mark. The other stray marks could be other punctuation marks as well. [[User:KenBrown|KenBrown]] ([[User talk:KenBrown|talk]]) 15:55, 11 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
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=== New Guy in City === | === New Guy in City === | ||
| − | How do we call the new guy that appears in | + | How do we call the new guy that appears in [[http://bit.ly/15GXeCP|Frame 2819]]? One Suggestion: Black Hat Stranger (He's clearly not [[Black Hat]]). --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 14:19, 15 July 2013 (UTC) |
:And maybe calling them "stranger(s)" is actually not appropriate. How about "local(s)" or "native(s)"? --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 16:51, 15 July 2013 (UTC) | :And maybe calling them "stranger(s)" is actually not appropriate. How about "local(s)" or "native(s)"? --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 16:51, 15 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
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== Megan's backpack == | == Megan's backpack == | ||
Megan started wearing a backpack after they left the tower. They lost Cueball's backpack when the animal clawed it up, so he carried everything in Megan's to keep weight off her leg. That ointment must be good stuff if she's able to walk with a backpack. The locals must have given her a new one.--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 01:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC) | Megan started wearing a backpack after they left the tower. They lost Cueball's backpack when the animal clawed it up, so he carried everything in Megan's to keep weight off her leg. That ointment must be good stuff if she's able to walk with a backpack. The locals must have given her a new one.--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 01:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
| − | :Yep, I noticed that. Apparently they gave/loaned her one of their bags. Even so, I notice she was the only one shown ( | + | :Yep, I noticed that. Apparently they gave/loaned her one of their bags. Even so, I notice she was the only one shown (frame 2814 on geekwagon's site) clambering up a small steep spot, so maybe she's not fully functional yet. [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 11:49, 16 July 2013 (UTC) |
:Also, I wonder what they did with their "telescope" that they lowered from the tower; and the little folded-up mini-tower. And for that matter, whatever that was leaning against the right leg of the tower from the beginning. All three things seemed to disappear just before they left the scene. They don't seem to be packing them. [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 11:49, 16 July 2013 (UTC) | :Also, I wonder what they did with their "telescope" that they lowered from the tower; and the little folded-up mini-tower. And for that matter, whatever that was leaning against the right leg of the tower from the beginning. All three things seemed to disappear just before they left the scene. They don't seem to be packing them. [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 11:49, 16 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
:: I assume they have some kind of storage at that location to protect their equipment from weather and from animals. They also left some other bigger things, like the ladder and the water container, indicating that they appear to go there frequently. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 12:05, 16 July 2013 (UTC) | :: I assume they have some kind of storage at that location to protect their equipment from weather and from animals. They also left some other bigger things, like the ladder and the water container, indicating that they appear to go there frequently. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 12:05, 16 July 2013 (UTC) | ||
