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− | In the article | + | In the article Randall wants to make us believe friendship is a rather new phenomenon or trend and its "early" occurences are something special,which may be true for bromance - at least for the term - but not for the concept. Sebastian --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.231.68|108.162.231.68]] 07:44, 11 February 2015 (UTC) |
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− | I'm afraid I'm not currently up to doing it, but I feel we need further details of, and definitely citations for, the articles that have been vandalised. Maybe we could even have graphs showing | + | I'm afraid I'm not currently up to doing it, but I feel we need further details of, and definitely citations for, the articles that have been vandalised. Maybe we could even have graphs showing view, edit, and vandalism spikes. Davii [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.154|141.101.98.154]] 11:18, 11 February 2015 (UTC) |
Why am I not surprised that this lead to Wiki-vandalism? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.109|108.162.216.109]] 12:25, 11 February 2015 (UTC) | Why am I not surprised that this lead to Wiki-vandalism? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.109|108.162.216.109]] 12:25, 11 February 2015 (UTC) | ||
− | The explanation currently seems to suggest that this is the page for "Bromance", trying to bring it into line with "Friendship". But with the "Friendship page" being the ''target'' of the comic, "How to improve the Bromance page" | + | The explanation currently seems to suggest that this is the page for "Bromance", trying to bring it into line with "Friendship". But with the "Friendship page" being the ''target'' of the comic, "How to improve the Bromance page" titletext and the "Portmanteau of 'Friend' and 'Ship' (i.e. romantic linking)" bits, I read the comic as "If Bromance is being used for non-homosexual same-sex associations, then Friendship 'obviously' now means for homosexual same-sex (indeed, it appears male/male only!) relationships. This is similar to complaints (which I personally have sympathy for) about the word "Guesstimate" being an unnecessary neologistic portmanteau in common use, as someone using it often ''actually'' means "Estimate" in its normal state of the term and thus must imagine "Estimate" is something far more strict. (Or else they invoke th term when they actually mean "Guess" in the first place, either to make it sound 'better than a guess' or with the same 'shove-over' attitude applied to ''that'' word, e.g. guess is "only ever out of thin air" rather than often-as-not based upon a semi-educated hunch if not more.) So, anway, as it it currently stands, I don't agree with the way the explanation goes. But I can't actually say it's wrong either! We now return you to your regularly-scheduled programme. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.112|141.101.99.112]] 14:03, 11 February 2015 (UTC) |
− | :Completely off | + | :Completely off topic for the comment, but a guestimate is an estimate without the math, using intuitive averaging, and thus, more kin to a guess than an estimate.[[User:Seebert|Seebert]] ([[User talk:Seebert|talk]]) 14:45, 11 February 2015 (UTC) |
::A 'guestimate' is of course already either a 'guess' or an 'estimate', depending on your personal dividing line is between "not using maths" and "using maths". "Intuitive averaging" would probably be "estimation" in my eyes. "Fermi estimation" (as seen in the What-Ifs) definitely would. Even if the limits to "guessing" and "estimation" are not equal, "guesstimation" would likely be the intersection on the Venn Diagram of guessing/estimation (i.e. it's both, not 'in-between'), and we'll be arguing over the exact position of ''two'' boundaries, rather than just the one. | ::A 'guestimate' is of course already either a 'guess' or an 'estimate', depending on your personal dividing line is between "not using maths" and "using maths". "Intuitive averaging" would probably be "estimation" in my eyes. "Fermi estimation" (as seen in the What-Ifs) definitely would. Even if the limits to "guessing" and "estimation" are not equal, "guesstimation" would likely be the intersection on the Venn Diagram of guessing/estimation (i.e. it's both, not 'in-between'), and we'll be arguing over the exact position of ''two'' boundaries, rather than just the one. | ||
::But I really came here to say that I go with the "Change the Friendship page to improve the Bromance one ''by proxy''" idea, and didn't really want to quibble over semantics. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.192|141.101.98.192]] 00:52, 14 February 2015 (UTC) | ::But I really came here to say that I go with the "Change the Friendship page to improve the Bromance one ''by proxy''" idea, and didn't really want to quibble over semantics. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.192|141.101.98.192]] 00:52, 14 February 2015 (UTC) | ||
− | :Additionally, I meant to add that I'm surprised that Randall didn't "Bluetext" the word Ship, indicating a link to {{w|Shipping_(fandom)}}. But then the fictional Wiki editors he's emulating are notoriously inconsistent with what they do link and what they don't link (upon | + | :Additionally, I meant to add that I'm surprised that Randall didn't "Bluetext" the word Ship, indicating a link to {{w|Shipping_(fandom)}}. But then the fictional Wiki editors he's emulating are notoriously inconsistent with what they do link and what they don't link (upon first appearance in an article), so it's accurate enough. ;) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.112|141.101.99.112]] 14:10, 11 February 2015 (UTC) |
− | :(Although, to reply to | + | :(Although, to reply to myself, given the inclusion of the phrase "There is also something called 'friendshipping', or a 'BrOTP' (a portmanteau of the terms bromance and one true pairing).", there'd be some weird recursiveness that arises if all the competing claims for word-origin are true!) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.112|141.101.99.112]] 14:16, 11 February 2015 (UTC) |
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+ | @ Sebastian - I think you totally misunderstand the intentions of the cartoon. I think the point is a very simple one. It is similar to Liz Feldman's argument that people should not call it 'gay marriage': it's marriage. "You know, because I had lunch this afternoon, not gay lunch. I parked my car; I didn’t gay park it" [[http://www.salon.com/2013/06/26/lets_end_gay_marriage/]} Or in this case: Call it friendship - marking the fact that it is between men as if that is in some way abnormal is a homophobic thing to do. [[User:Andries|Andries]] ([[User talk:Andries|talk]]) 15:14, 11 February 2015 (UTC) | ||
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+ | :In my experience the term bromance is used to describe a particularly strong and close friendship, one which exceeds the normal bounds of simple friendship. In the same way that two close but non-related males might cal themselves blood brothers. Noting that the term is almost exclusively used for male-male relationships (due to the use of 'bro') is entirely valid, and personally I don't see any suggestion that friendship between men is abnormal in Sebastians comment. --[[User:Pudder|Pudder]] ([[User talk:Pudder|talk]]) 16:39, 11 February 2015 (UTC) | ||
+ | :I tend to agree with Pudder here.[[Special:Contributions/199.27.128.195|199.27.128.195]] 16:53, 11 February 2015 (UTC) | ||
I used the FoxReplace plugin to see what this would look like, with some hilarious results: | I used the FoxReplace plugin to see what this would look like, with some hilarious results: | ||
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That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age | That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age | ||
− | of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is | + | of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively |
− | be enrolled in the | + | be enrolled in the fanclub, ... every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with |
a good musket or firelock.... | a good musket or firelock.... | ||
− | During the nineteenth century, each of the states maintained its | + | During the nineteenth century, each of the states maintained its fanclub differently, some more than others.</pre> |
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Anyone notice [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Friendship&diff=prev&oldid=646768341 this edit?] Well, not so much the edit, but the edit summary... [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.43|141.101.99.43]] 10:40, 12 February 2015 (UTC) | Anyone notice [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Friendship&diff=prev&oldid=646768341 this edit?] Well, not so much the edit, but the edit summary... [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.43|141.101.99.43]] 10:40, 12 February 2015 (UTC) | ||
:I'd prefer [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZ7oFKsKzY a slightly more modern method], but I fully agree with the general idea. -[[Special:Contributions/173.245.53.188|173.245.53.188]] 10:59, 12 February 2015 (UTC) | :I'd prefer [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZ7oFKsKzY a slightly more modern method], but I fully agree with the general idea. -[[Special:Contributions/173.245.53.188|173.245.53.188]] 10:59, 12 February 2015 (UTC) | ||
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