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Could this also be a reference to the historical Latin pronunciation of Æ, and its separation into "AA" (which could be represented by "ar" in English ("r" is silent), hence the ligature "AR") and  "IE" (which would be pronounced "ee" as in "relieve") [[User:1844161|1844161]] ([[User talk:1844161|talk]]) 15:21, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 
Could this also be a reference to the historical Latin pronunciation of Æ, and its separation into "AA" (which could be represented by "ar" in English ("r" is silent), hence the ligature "AR") and  "IE" (which would be pronounced "ee" as in "relieve") [[User:1844161|1844161]] ([[User talk:1844161|talk]]) 15:21, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 
: I disagree. The title text strongly points towards VE as the logical interpretation [[User:Boatster|Boatster]] ([[User talk:Boatster|talk]]) 15:52, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 
: I disagree. The title text strongly points towards VE as the logical interpretation [[User:Boatster|Boatster]] ([[User talk:Boatster|talk]]) 15:52, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 
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: Me too. Also, funnily I thought of Andy Warhol...but in his "LOVE" pop art, the O is tilted, not the V.[[Special:Contributions/198.41.242.133|198.41.242.133]] 09:20, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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::That wasn't Warhol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_(image) [[Special:Contributions/162.158.63.151|162.158.63.151]] 13:33, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
  
 
I think it might be helpful to readers to provide a parenthetical describing the pronunciation of the 'ash' glyph, so that people who aren't old language aficionados aren't left in the lurch if they're the sort who read aloud in their head.  I'm going to add it, but if someone removes it I won't be miffed.  Also, there's no way the new E ligature is meant to be IE.  The title text only makes sense if it's VE.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.67.136|172.69.67.136]] 15:56, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 
I think it might be helpful to readers to provide a parenthetical describing the pronunciation of the 'ash' glyph, so that people who aren't old language aficionados aren't left in the lurch if they're the sort who read aloud in their head.  I'm going to add it, but if someone removes it I won't be miffed.  Also, there's no way the new E ligature is meant to be IE.  The title text only makes sense if it's VE.[[Special:Contributions/172.69.67.136|172.69.67.136]] 15:56, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
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: Thank you. That was super helpful as I'm language-curious, but not an æficænado. Any chance we could get similar explanations of the AR (seems legit) & AV(seems not)? [[User:Iggynelix|Iggynelix]] ([[User talk:Iggynelix|talk]]) 13:49, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
  
 
I hope AR wedding hat a pirate theme. --[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo|talk]]) 16:05, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 
I hope AR wedding hat a pirate theme. --[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo|talk]]) 16:05, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
  
 
The AR ligature is used in aeronautical engineering for the aspect ratio of a wing.  This mainly applies to handwritten work, since there isn't an easy way to insert that glyph when typing.  [[User:D5xtgr|D5xtgr]] ([[User talk:D5xtgr|talk]]) 17:18, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 
The AR ligature is used in aeronautical engineering for the aspect ratio of a wing.  This mainly applies to handwritten work, since there isn't an easy way to insert that glyph when typing.  [[User:D5xtgr|D5xtgr]] ([[User talk:D5xtgr|talk]]) 17:18, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
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: Example of 🜇 in aeronautics: http://tug.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/aspectratio/ar.pdf .  It was also used in antiquity: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Exempla_Mensurarum_Sal%C3%B2.JPG [[User:Jlearman|Jlearman]] ([[User talk:Jlearman|talk]]) 19:29, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
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The AR (🜇) ligature also stands for a substance that can mix with gold. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.166.125|162.158.166.125]] 09:09, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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:If you mean {{w|Aqua regia}}, it's not so much 'mix with' as 'dissolve'. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.34|172.70.90.34]] 18:08, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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::Is this comic inspired by an "aqua regia" incident? [[User:Unreliable Connection|2659: Unreliable Connection]] ([[User talk:Unreliable Connection|talk]]) 02:07, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
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:::Does it have to be? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.86.31|172.70.86.31]] 19:24, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
  
 
2763 -MathHacked
 
2763 -MathHacked
  
I suppose the Æsop is that maintaining a chimæric quæstionability just for primævally æsthetic reasons, or sæcularly dæmonic adhærence to adhæsively mæandering through an anæsthetic tædium of hæritage fæcality. Unless that's all just hæretical hyperbolæ, casting pædagogical umbræ on the matter. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.160|172.70.162.160]] 21:22, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
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I suppose the Æsop is that it's not necessary to maintain a chimæric quæstionability just for primævally æsthetic reasons, or have sæcularly dæmonic adhærence to adhæsively mæandering through an anæsthetic tædium of hæritage fæcality. Unless that's all just hæretical hyperbolæ, casting pædagogical umbræ on the matter. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.160|172.70.162.160]] 21:22, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
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: Well plæd.
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: AUGH!!!  Just make it stop!!!!
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It's just too bad they all now live in the same ''small recreational vehicle'' because that leads to awkwardness. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.142.159|172.71.142.159]] 02:07, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
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: Seems pretty roomy based on the space between them.;)
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A and E got REM🜇RIED?! [[Special:Contributions/172.70.38.96|172.70.38.96]] 05:28, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
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It is downright incorrect to refer to the ae-ligature as 'ash', as this is only true when it is used to Latinize the aesc-rune in Old English, which is anything but the most common use of this ligature. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.46.192|172.70.46.192]] 18:01, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
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: Does it really matter? It's certainly not the only glyph(s) which are supposed to be multiple letters but get grouped and treated as identical because the difference is tomayto/tomahto. Take the diaresis and the umlaut, for example. Different origins, different functions, Unicode only assigns one codepoint for both. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.178.51|162.158.178.51]] 04:02, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
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I went looking for "AR" and "VE" ligatures in general use (and in Unicode), and found nothing. Are they in general use? If not, a comment to that effect in the explanation would be helpful. -- [[User:Dtgriscom|Dtgriscom]] ([[User talk:Dtgriscom|talk]]) 21:44, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
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:(Ignoring that D5xtgr said there was an AR, and an IP even ''wrote'' an 🜇...) Of course they weren't in general use, because A and E were together all that time, but now they're recoupled..! [[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.87|172.71.242.87]] 21:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
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I'm no linguist, but this may refer to the fact that many languages with the AE ligature are romance languages, while English is not. [[User:Unreliable Connection|2659: Unreliable Connection]] ([[User talk:Unreliable Connection|talk]]) 09:04, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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[[https://battlefordreamisland.fandom.com/wiki/2,763 2763]] is a running gag in BFDI :) [[Special:Contributions/172.71.22.106|172.71.22.106]] 19:02, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Bumpf
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:Probably unrelated. By the way, is it OK for me to edit comic explanations? [[User:Missed Connections|935: Missed Connections]] ([[User talk:Missed Connections|talk]]) 22:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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:Don't feign ignorance, [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2763:_Linguistics_Gossip&diff=prev&oldid=310554 CG]. Do as you know you should do and (whatever accounts you use) make any useful edits to Explanations that you think are necessary, but refrain from rewording Talk stuff from anyone else (without very good reason, such as reverting vandalism of spam). [[Special:Contributions/172.70.85.169|172.70.85.169]] 08:09, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
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AE could refer to Adam and Eve. Then we get EV as Eve. Not yet sure where AR refers to, Adam and Romeo, Augmented Reality? Love does contain VE as reverse of EV. [[User:XKCDnl|XKCDnl]] ([[User talk:XKCDnl|talk]]) 04:16, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
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AR stands for:
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https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%F0%9F%9C%87
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synonym for
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https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%F0%9F%9C%86#Translingual
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stands for to "aqua regia" that means:
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https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/aqua_regia
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"royal water"
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So we have Eve and the royal water, so is she now baptised and blessed with love?
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[[User:XKCDnl|XKCDnl]] ([[User talk:XKCDnl|talk]]) 14:48, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
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The letter Æ is, to me pronounce "fuckit, not gonna read this book!" The ita  initial teaching does include a similar character.
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Randall missed the chance too use the zoomeresque 'the tea' synonym for gossip. The T would've fit right in. [[Special:Contributions/172.71.182.232|172.71.182.232]] 08:30, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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:I don't even understand that. Care to link to... whatever it is you're refering to? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.228|172.70.162.228]] 19:27, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

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Added initial explanation Bamboo (talk) 14:08, 14 April 2023 (UTC)Bamboo

Added possible explanation of title text Bamboo (talk) 14:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)Bamboo

Has anyone asked O what they think of all this?172.70.91.152 14:32, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

NOTE: I'm assuming the IE/VE ligature is IE, where the I is tilted Could this also be a reference to the historical Latin pronunciation of Æ, and its separation into "AA" (which could be represented by "ar" in English ("r" is silent), hence the ligature "AR") and "IE" (which would be pronounced "ee" as in "relieve") 1844161 (talk) 15:21, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I disagree. The title text strongly points towards VE as the logical interpretation Boatster (talk) 15:52, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Me too. Also, funnily I thought of Andy Warhol...but in his "LOVE" pop art, the O is tilted, not the V.198.41.242.133 09:20, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
That wasn't Warhol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_(image) 162.158.63.151 13:33, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I think it might be helpful to readers to provide a parenthetical describing the pronunciation of the 'ash' glyph, so that people who aren't old language aficionados aren't left in the lurch if they're the sort who read aloud in their head. I'm going to add it, but if someone removes it I won't be miffed. Also, there's no way the new E ligature is meant to be IE. The title text only makes sense if it's VE.172.69.67.136 15:56, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. That was super helpful as I'm language-curious, but not an æficænado. Any chance we could get similar explanations of the AR (seems legit) & AV(seems not)? Iggynelix (talk) 13:49, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

I hope AR wedding hat a pirate theme. --Lupo (talk) 16:05, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

The AR ligature is used in aeronautical engineering for the aspect ratio of a wing. This mainly applies to handwritten work, since there isn't an easy way to insert that glyph when typing. D5xtgr (talk) 17:18, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Example of 🜇 in aeronautics: http://tug.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/aspectratio/ar.pdf . It was also used in antiquity: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Exempla_Mensurarum_Sal%C3%B2.JPG Jlearman (talk) 19:29, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

The AR (🜇) ligature also stands for a substance that can mix with gold. 162.158.166.125 09:09, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

If you mean Aqua regia, it's not so much 'mix with' as 'dissolve'. 172.70.90.34 18:08, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
Is this comic inspired by an "aqua regia" incident? 2659: Unreliable Connection (talk) 02:07, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
Does it have to be? 172.70.86.31 19:24, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

2763 -MathHacked

I suppose the Æsop is that it's not necessary to maintain a chimæric quæstionability just for primævally æsthetic reasons, or have sæcularly dæmonic adhærence to adhæsively mæandering through an anæsthetic tædium of hæritage fæcality. Unless that's all just hæretical hyperbolæ, casting pædagogical umbræ on the matter. 172.70.162.160 21:22, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Well plæd.
AUGH!!! Just make it stop!!!!

It's just too bad they all now live in the same small recreational vehicle because that leads to awkwardness. 172.71.142.159 02:07, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Seems pretty roomy based on the space between them.;)

A and E got REM🜇RIED?! 172.70.38.96 05:28, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

It is downright incorrect to refer to the ae-ligature as 'ash', as this is only true when it is used to Latinize the aesc-rune in Old English, which is anything but the most common use of this ligature. 172.70.46.192 18:01, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Does it really matter? It's certainly not the only glyph(s) which are supposed to be multiple letters but get grouped and treated as identical because the difference is tomayto/tomahto. Take the diaresis and the umlaut, for example. Different origins, different functions, Unicode only assigns one codepoint for both. 162.158.178.51 04:02, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

I went looking for "AR" and "VE" ligatures in general use (and in Unicode), and found nothing. Are they in general use? If not, a comment to that effect in the explanation would be helpful. -- Dtgriscom (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

(Ignoring that D5xtgr said there was an AR, and an IP even wrote an 🜇...) Of course they weren't in general use, because A and E were together all that time, but now they're recoupled..! 172.71.242.87 21:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm no linguist, but this may refer to the fact that many languages with the AE ligature are romance languages, while English is not. 2659: Unreliable Connection (talk) 09:04, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

[2763] is a running gag in BFDI :) 172.71.22.106 19:02, 16 April 2023 (UTC)Bumpf

Probably unrelated. By the way, is it OK for me to edit comic explanations? 935: Missed Connections (talk) 22:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
Don't feign ignorance, CG. Do as you know you should do and (whatever accounts you use) make any useful edits to Explanations that you think are necessary, but refrain from rewording Talk stuff from anyone else (without very good reason, such as reverting vandalism of spam). 172.70.85.169 08:09, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

AE could refer to Adam and Eve. Then we get EV as Eve. Not yet sure where AR refers to, Adam and Romeo, Augmented Reality? Love does contain VE as reverse of EV. XKCDnl (talk) 04:16, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

AR stands for: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%F0%9F%9C%87 synonym for https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%F0%9F%9C%86#Translingual stands for to "aqua regia" that means: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/aqua_regia "royal water"

So we have Eve and the royal water, so is she now baptised and blessed with love? XKCDnl (talk) 14:48, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

The letter Æ is, to me pronounce "fuckit, not gonna read this book!" The ita initial teaching does include a similar character.

Randall missed the chance too use the zoomeresque 'the tea' synonym for gossip. The T would've fit right in. 172.71.182.232 08:30, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't even understand that. Care to link to... whatever it is you're refering to? 172.70.162.228 19:27, 19 April 2023 (UTC)