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Shopping Teams
I am never going out to buy an air conditioner with my sysadmin again.
Title text: I am never going out to buy an air conditioner with my sysadmin again.

Explanation

In this comic, Randall is comparing the ways different people look at choosing between similar products. In the first example, which Randall considers "bad", two "non-nerds" look at two products (which are two boxes without a description of any kind,) and instantly decide which one they want. In the second example, which is considered good, one of the two is a nerd and one is a non-nerd. The non-nerd instantly picks one of the products but the nerd evaluates the two and decides that the other one is better because it's a better deal. In both the first two cases, the pair are able to easily come to a decision.

However, in the third example, two nerds are comparing the two boxes, and both of them overanalyse the various merits and drawbacks of each of the two boxes, to the point that they are still there two hours later, unable to reach a clear agreement on which of the two boxes they wish to buy. One comments that their definition of value is unclear, suggesting the discussion has gone on for so long that they are reevaluating their definitions over something so trivial. Some might perceive this as typical "nerd" behaviour, overanalysing a problem which is in actual fact quite trivial, such as the decision whether to buy one box or another virtually identical box. A woman who has been watching the two nerds comparing the two products attempts to put this into perspective by pointing out that an unclear definition of value is not their problem. The implication is that their problem is they are unable to reach an agreement on something that makes so little difference at the end of the day.

The title text suggests that Randall entered a similar situation attempting to buy an air conditioner with his sysadmin, short for Template:System administrator. The sysadmin is a person in an organisation employed to manage the computer system or network, a role which requires technical skills and intelligence. The suggestion here is that a computer programmer like Randall, put together with a sysadmin, would spend as much attention to detail as the two nerds in the comic, labouring over which of two trivially similar products to buy.

Randall has dealt with sysadmins before in http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=705:_Devotion_to_Duty

Transcript

[Each team is looking at a counter with two cubes on it.]

Bad: Two non-nerds
First man: Let's get that one.
Second man: okay.
Good: non-nerd + nerd
Woman: Let's get that one.
Man: Wait, I think that one might be a better deal.
Woman: Okay, that one.
Very Bad: Two Nerds
Man: How about that one?
Second man: i think the other one might be the better deal...
First man: Hmm, I'm not sure...'
Two Hours Later

[Nerds are sitting in front of laptops with papers strewn about in front of display counter]

Man: I think our main problem is our unclear definition of value
Woman: That is not your main problem!


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Discussion

The big problem with nerds is that they so frequently fail to place value on their own time. If you search through newspapers to find the best coupons to save a couple of dollars, I highly doubt that the amount of money you are saving is more than minimum wage. This applies to anything nerds end up spending so much time on. If you spend that time shopping around, clipping coupons or trading in TF2 because its fun, fine. But if you are in it for some sort of profit, its probably a waste of time. 108.162.245.217 06:38, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

People always do math against the person's earning potential. However, that's such a fallacy. If said person was bored of work after a 40 hour week / 8 hour days, clipping coupons would be a relief. And in this case since their earning potential has been reached (because they are unwilling to work more hours), but they are ok with clipping coupons, this is actually more profitable than watching TV. Also, if the person had a family and managed to turn the activity into a family activity, then not only did they gain bonding time, they are also limited to how much time they can work. Unless you want to assume that some person can work more than 40 hours a week at optimal effort up to the limit which affects their health, no, not every minute is equal in earning potential. Cflare (talk) 14:29, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
This exchange felt like the second panel. A non-nerd fails to analyze the situation adequately and a nerd jumps in and saves the day. -- Flewk (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
If I recall, in economics class, value wasn't measured in literal earning potential, but literal enjoyment. Working was only considered valuable if the money you earned was worth more than the time you lost. Actually, it seemed most things would be measured in enjoyment. An example I particularly remember is if you planned to own a $15,000 car for 5 years, then you needed to have at least "$3,000 worth of enjoyment" each year in order for the car to be considered worth buying. While we cannot say necessarily that the nerds will be saving enough money to justify the time wasted in terms of earning potential, given the general tone of xckd, it would likely be correct to say that the time they spent trying to decide cost them more enjoyment than they'd likely receive from the savings on whatever it is that they are buying. -- I feel lost 09:23, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
No, because that automatically assumes that the time you spent clipping coupons (or whatever nerdy activity is under consideration) would be replaced with an activity making more money than that. Or that all individuals should always be engaged in productive and profitable activities. But if your perceived alternatives are either clipping coupons or watching television, then the choice is clear. What it all seems to come down to is our unclear definition of value. 108.162.236.55 15:05, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Sysadmin?

Who is Randall's sysadmin? Does he even have one? --199.27.133.189 04:48, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Quote from the about page: "Server maintenance and most of the coding for these sites is done by my friend davean, who tries hard to remain invisible but can be reached at [email protected]." Davidy²²[talk] 09:45, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

There is a community portal discussion of what to call Cueball and what to do in case with more than one Cueball. I have added this comic to the new Category:Multiple Cueballs. In this case there is no reason to call any one of them Cueball. So I have changed to remove Cueball--Kynde (talk) 13:34, 15 March 2015 (UTC)