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The point of this comic is that often, curious children ask their parents simple questions about understanding how the world works. [[Randall]]'s hobby is to make those questions significantly harder to stump the parents and  make them uncomfortable.
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Another point of this comic is that we often think that we understand a scientific phenomenon (e.g. why is the sky blue?); however, a certain simple question (e.g. why isn't the sky violet?) can often uncover large gaps in our actual understanding.
{{W|Rayleigh scattering}} is the phenomenon that explains the color of the sky, where light of every wavelength gets scattered in the air by the inverse quartic (fourth power) of its wavelength as given in the comic. In the {{w|visible spectrum}}, blue light has a wavelength of 450–495 nm while violet has a shorter wavelength of 380–450 nm. Violet light does indeed get scattered more than blue light, however the lower portion of the spectrum for sunlight consists of blue light and eyes are much more sensitive to blue light than violet light. This leaves the impression of a blue sky. A good explanation, including why blue and not violet, can be found in [http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html Usenet Physics FAQ :: Why is the sky blue?] (but note that human color perception [http://blog.asmartbear.com/color-wheels.html is more complicated] than described there).
The title text refers to a {{w|mirror image}}, and is discussed by Richard Feynman in a famous BBC documentary [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tuxLY94LXw], as one of the problems which he used to have fun with first years (British English for first year student or freshman).
A mirror image is a virtual image produced by the reflection of light on a mirror.  In the mirror image, only front and back are switched around - like a printing press or a rubber stamp. Left and right are still left and right in an absolute reference frame - wave your left arm in front of the mirror and the "mirror person" also waves the arm on the left side. It is only when using "personal" reference frame - tied to the individual - that we can say that the "mirror person" is moving their right arm.
The start of the word would still be closest to the door, the end of the word closest to the window, as in the real room, only the person in the mirror is facing the other way. The apparent inversion comes from the fact that the mind projects itself onto the person in the mirror, and the writing on his paper will be illegible (from "his" right to left instead of from "his" left to right)
To help understand why this effect happens, imagine that you are holding a sign which says "MIX" and facing a mirror.  Initially, you face the sign towards you.  The M is on the left and the X on the right.  Now, you turn the sign around so that the sign faces the mirror.  Now, even without paying any attention to the mirror, simply because you have turned it around, now the M is on the right and the X is on the left and if you could see through the back of the sign, it would say "XIM" from your perspective.  When you look at it in the mirror, you are now able to see that orientation and it appears to read "XIM".  If instead of turning the sign around horizontally to look at it in the mirror, you flipped it vertically and looked at it in the mirror, it would appear to say "WIX" in the mirror.  Thus the mirror is only revealing how the text is oriented relative to your eyes. (Or, to put it more succinctly: mirrors ''don't'' reverse left to right, ''turning around'' does.)
{{w|Richard Feynman}} was a famous American theoretical physicist.

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Sky Color
Feynman recounted another good one upperclassmen would use on freshmen physics students: When you look at words in a mirror, how come they're reversed left to right but not top to bottom? What's special about the horizontal axis?
Title text: Feynman recounted another good one upperclassmen would use on freshmen physics students: When you look at words in a mirror, how come they're reversed left to right but not top to bottom? What's special about the horizontal axis?

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[Girl and her mother. The mother is at a desk and facing the girl.]
Girl: Mommy, why is the sky blue?
Mother: Rayleigh scattering! Short wavelengths get scattered way more (proportional to 1/λ4). Blue light dominates because it's so short.
Girl: Oh.
Girl: So why isn't the sky violet?
Mother: Well, because, uh... ...hmm.
Caption: My hobby: Teaching tricky questions to the children of my scientist friends.
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I think most explanations of the the mirror issue overlook an even simpler explanation -- Things appear to be flipped such that left and right are reversed. However, that is only because you are used to things, such as people, rotating about a vertical axis, with top and bottom staying in the same position. If a clone of you stood on its head and you faced each other, your right arms would be on the same side (e.g. "closer to the door"). Now, if you look in a mirror, it is the same as seeing the clone flipped top to bottom. 01:06, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Of course with vertical mirror vertical axis is selected: perceived switching of left and right (really close with far to mirror surface). When standing on horizontal mirror we will perceive switching bottom from top. --JakubNarebski (talk) 09:09, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

You're certainly correct, but I think that the original question is not really asking about text (or other things) which are perpendicular to the mirror, but rather text which is parallel to it (and thus the close vs. far doesn't come into it). For example, when reading signs in your rear view mirror or holding a book in front of your chest while looking in a mirror. I've added a little bit to the explanation to attempt to help clarify what's happening in that situation. I'm not sure if it really helps or not. KeithyIrwin (talk) 10:00, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Easier way to describe it: Imagine you hold a piece of glass. Write on the glass and hold it in front of the mirror, so that you can see both the original text and the mirrored text. Both versions of the text will look identical. So the mirror doesn't change anything. 11:10, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Another way: draw a line between the real object and its reflection. Things are reflected around that line. If that line is going up & down (relative to your eyes), then things are reflected left/right (relative to your eyes). If that line is horizontal (again relative to your eyes), then things are reflected top/bottom. So it's not so much whether the mirror is horizontal or vertical, but rather what direction you are looking into the mirror (although that can be influenced a lot by the mirror's orientation).CityZen (talk) 04:17, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I always wonder: Since the sky goes from red to blue to red and the optical spectrum goes from red to green to blue. How come the sky is never green?

Because of human color perception. You only perceive green in polychromatic light when said light is stronger in the middle wavelengths than the low or high wavelengths; in other words, you would need a process in the sky that removed both the high and low wavelengths from white light. As the sun sets, only the lower wavelengths are removed, so you perceive yellows and reds -- this perception of color is "one-sided", i.e. it is not interfered with by even longer wavelengths. By the way, sometimes you do see green briefly in the sky, it's called a Green Flash. --Prooffreader (talk) 16:41, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
I used to go outside after a rain storm during the day, and sometimes the sky would seem very green. The effect could last for hours. 12:15, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
The sky is green, at times. Growing up in the Upper Midwest (USA), I quickly learned that green sky means it's time to watch out for tornadoes. I don't know the actual connection between the two situations--I would guess from the previous comment that whatever atmospheric conditions create tornado conditions also "edit out" both high and low wavelengths, at least to a degree. 14:44, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

This sentence doesn't make sense: "(from "his" right to left instead of from "his" left to right)" Trek7553 (talk) 15:15, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Repeat Character Watch: The girl has appeared previously in 842: Mark, 892: Null Hypothesis, 1058: Old-Timers, and 1104: Feathers (A similar looking character also appears in 635: Locke and Demosthenes but this is actually the character Valentine from the book Ender's Game). The mother is seen in comics 806: Tech Support and 813: One-Liners. lcarsos_a (talk) 18:12, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

About this edition: 1/(x^4) does not look like a root to me. IMHO the forth root of x would be more like x^(1/4) but it's not the formula from the comic. (I'm too lazy to try to type lambda). Lmpk (talk) 19:00, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

You are correct. It's been fixed. The editor that made that edit was probably confusing 1/x4 with x1/4, the latter of which would indeed be the fourth root. lcarsos_a (talk) 19:53, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

This page, linked from the explanation says that "the most strongly scattered indigo and violet wavelengths stimulate the red cones slightly as well as the blue, which is why these colours appear blue with an added red tinge." -- this seems rather strange. Assuming the cones are simulated based on frequency/wavelength, ultra-blue colors shouldn't stimulate the red cones because the electromagnetic spectrum is linear, not circular, despite the appearance of similarity between violet and red. Or am I missing something? --Waldir (talk) 16:14, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

If you look at the response curve (middle of cited page) you'll see that red receptors have two peaks, one in the red wavelengths, and another (very tiny one) in the violet. That's why purple (which is red + blue) looks so similar to violet, and why the "color wheel" works. 21:59, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
PS: "first years" is an idiom. Wouldn't that be "first year students" to be proper English? 22:05, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Idioms are "proper English" too. There is no doubt about what is meant here (or at least, I hope there isn't, but perhaps there are regional differences that mean some English speakers don't say "first years" to talk about students in their first year), and the register is not unduly colloquial for this kind of a site. 14:00, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
The easiest way to explain mirrors is: they don't change left and right, they change forward and backward. What is farther from the mirror appears farther in the mirror. If you look at yourself, your nose and the nose of your reflection are the closest parts of the body together (at least in a bathroom mirror :-)), so *if there were* another person standing where the mirror *simulates* it, that person would wave it's right arm when you wave your left. But in a "absolute reference frame", both image and original wave their arm nearest to the door. Interestingly automobile drivers don't make this error: if you see a car in the rear mirror blinking left you don't assume they want to turn right...

There was a hilarious Get Fuzzy strip where Rob tried to explain why the sky is blue to Satchel, but I can't find it. This one? 00:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC) Yes that's the one. --Smartin (talk) 04:23, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I would also just like to add that, as I understand it, the Sun puts out a lot more blue light than violet light, so it would make sense for blue to dominate. After green light, where the Sun's output peaks, the intensity of the light starts dropping dramatically. (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
I don't think that woman is Megan. She looks like a black-haired version of Ponytail. (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
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