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==Explanation== | ==Explanation== | ||
− | {{ | + | This comic is a reference to {{rw|Young_Earth_creationism|Young Earth creationism}}, which includes the belief that the Earth has only existed for about 6,000 years. Young Earth creationism is mainly based on {{w|Biblical literalism|literal interpretations of the Bible}}, which is [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Creationism pseudoscience]. The professor is originally not bothered by the fact that someone believes in Young Earth creationism and simply tells the child to look at the scientific {{rw|evidence}}. However, she then hears that the person is actually a {{w|United States Senate|United States senator}}, who would presumably influence national policy according to his creationist beliefs. This, she acknowledges, is an actual problem. |
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+ | The comment on the fossils refers to an argument by some Young Earth creationists about the {{rw|Evidence_against_a_recent_creation#Lack_of_DNA_in_fossils:_100.2C000|discovery of fossilized sea creatures at high altitudes}}. While mainstream science sees this as evidence of geological processes taking far longer than six thousand years, these creationists say that sea life reached these locations during a worldwide flood that covered even the tops of mountains. | ||
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+ | The story of this flood, colloquially called ''{{rw|Noah's_Ark|Noah's Ark}}'', is found in the Biblical {{w|Book of Genesis}}; [http://biblehub.com/genesis/6.htm chapters six through nine]. Though it is not stated in {{w|the Bible}} story, many sea creatures are presumed by those who make this claim to have died at high altitudes when the waters lowered. This is a theory held by some Young Earth creationists for the fossils. | ||
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+ | The last panel is a reference to the fact that a number of people vote based on their perception that the person they're voting for shares their religious views, and then that person goes on to make legislative or educational (if they were voted to a board of education) decisions based on said beliefs. There have been several instances in the U.S. of state boards of education trying to or succeeding at including young-earth or other creationist theories in the state's science curriculum. See for instance {{w|Theistic evolution}}. | ||
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+ | The title text makes a further, more playful jab, claiming that {{w|scientist}}s not only have the upper hand in reasoning but also in sexiness. This subverts the once-commonly held idea that smarts and attractiveness are not always contained in the same "package," the stereotypical scientist being boring and dull. It also adds a tinge of irony, as no competent reasoner would make an {{w|Argument from authority|argument from sexiness}}. | ||
==Transcript== | ==Transcript== | ||
− | :[ | + | :[A girl with long black hair and a professor who looks like Megan stand together. The girl points to Cueball in the distance.] |
− | : | + | :Girl: Professor, that man claims the earth is 6,000 years old! |
:Professor: So? Just use your head and don't concern yourself overmuch with what other people think. | :Professor: So? Just use your head and don't concern yourself overmuch with what other people think. | ||
− | : | + | :[Cueball is gone and the girl is no longer pointing but just talking to the professor.] |
+ | :Girl: But he says the fossils in the mountains were put there in a flood! | ||
:Professor: Well, evidence suggests that they were not. | :Professor: Well, evidence suggests that they were not. | ||
− | : | + | :Girl: But he-- |
− | :[A mountain landscape.] | + | :[A mountain landscape with blue sky to the left with white clouds, gray clod cover to the right and gray mountains below. The most prominent peak is just right of the middle, but there are 14 small and large peaks all in all.] |
− | :Professor: A million people can call the mountains a fiction, yet it need not trouble you as you stand atop them. | + | :Professor (off-panel): A million people can call the mountains a fiction, yet it need not trouble you as you stand atop them. |
− | :[ | + | :[The girl throws her hands in the air while the professor just looks at her.] |
− | : | + | :Girl: But he believes the silliest things! |
:Professor: So? | :Professor: So? | ||
− | :Professor: The universe doesn't care what you <u>believe</u>. The wonderful thing about science is that it doesn't ask for your faith, it just asks for your eyes. | + | :[The girl has her arms down again and looks on the talking professor.] |
+ | :Professor: The universe doesn't care what you <u>believe</u>. | ||
+ | :Professor: The wonderful thing about science is that it doesn't ask for your faith, it just asks for your eyes. | ||
− | : | + | :[The girl and professor talks.] |
+ | :Girl: But he's a US senator! | ||
:Professor: Ah, then yes, we do have a bit of a situation. | :Professor: Ah, then yes, we do have a bit of a situation. | ||
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{{comic discussion}} | {{comic discussion}} | ||
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+ | [[Category:Comics with color]] | ||
[[Category:Comics featuring Megan]] | [[Category:Comics featuring Megan]] | ||
+ | [[Category:Comics featuring Cueball]] | ||
+ | [[Category:Science]] | ||
+ | [[Category:Physics]] | ||
[[Category:Religion]] | [[Category:Religion]] | ||
[[Category:Politics]] | [[Category:Politics]] |
Latest revision as of 19:45, 26 May 2022
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![]() Title text: Scientists are also sexy, let's not forget that. |
Explanation[edit]
This comic is a reference to Young Earth creationism, which includes the belief that the Earth has only existed for about 6,000 years. Young Earth creationism is mainly based on literal interpretations of the Bible, which is pseudoscience. The professor is originally not bothered by the fact that someone believes in Young Earth creationism and simply tells the child to look at the scientific evidence. However, she then hears that the person is actually a United States senator, who would presumably influence national policy according to his creationist beliefs. This, she acknowledges, is an actual problem.
The comment on the fossils refers to an argument by some Young Earth creationists about the discovery of fossilized sea creatures at high altitudes. While mainstream science sees this as evidence of geological processes taking far longer than six thousand years, these creationists say that sea life reached these locations during a worldwide flood that covered even the tops of mountains.
The story of this flood, colloquially called Noah's Ark, is found in the Biblical Book of Genesis; chapters six through nine. Though it is not stated in the Bible story, many sea creatures are presumed by those who make this claim to have died at high altitudes when the waters lowered. This is a theory held by some Young Earth creationists for the fossils.
The last panel is a reference to the fact that a number of people vote based on their perception that the person they're voting for shares their religious views, and then that person goes on to make legislative or educational (if they were voted to a board of education) decisions based on said beliefs. There have been several instances in the U.S. of state boards of education trying to or succeeding at including young-earth or other creationist theories in the state's science curriculum. See for instance Theistic evolution.
The title text makes a further, more playful jab, claiming that scientists not only have the upper hand in reasoning but also in sexiness. This subverts the once-commonly held idea that smarts and attractiveness are not always contained in the same "package," the stereotypical scientist being boring and dull. It also adds a tinge of irony, as no competent reasoner would make an argument from sexiness.
Transcript[edit]
- [A girl with long black hair and a professor who looks like Megan stand together. The girl points to Cueball in the distance.]
- Girl: Professor, that man claims the earth is 6,000 years old!
- Professor: So? Just use your head and don't concern yourself overmuch with what other people think.
- [Cueball is gone and the girl is no longer pointing but just talking to the professor.]
- Girl: But he says the fossils in the mountains were put there in a flood!
- Professor: Well, evidence suggests that they were not.
- Girl: But he--
- [A mountain landscape with blue sky to the left with white clouds, gray clod cover to the right and gray mountains below. The most prominent peak is just right of the middle, but there are 14 small and large peaks all in all.]
- Professor (off-panel): A million people can call the mountains a fiction, yet it need not trouble you as you stand atop them.
- [The girl throws her hands in the air while the professor just looks at her.]
- Girl: But he believes the silliest things!
- Professor: So?
- [The girl has her arms down again and looks on the talking professor.]
- Professor: The universe doesn't care what you believe.
- Professor: The wonderful thing about science is that it doesn't ask for your faith, it just asks for your eyes.
- [The girl and professor talks.]
- Girl: But he's a US senator!
- Professor: Ah, then yes, we do have a bit of a situation.
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Discussion
Doesn't the girl have too long hair to be Megan? The official transcript just calls them 'girl' and 'professor'. –St.nerol (talk) 17:43, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- Actually she looks more like Danish to me. -- BruceJohnJennerLawso (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
- They're just generic humans, stop trying to say "her hair is wrong for [character]". It's really dumb. -Pennpenn 108.162.250.162 04:27, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- The girls is definately not Danish. Danish has some special personality traits (being mean and clever and not caring a thing about other). The hair is just a small thing. Also children are neither Megan nor Cueball as these are adults. I have removed reference to Danish. Actually it is the professor that looks like Megan! --Kynde (talk) 11:01, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- Randall definitely uses a specific cast of characters, each of which repeat characteristic behaviors & are recognizable primarily by consistent depiction of individual hairstyles. I encourage everyone to continue attempting to identify & thereby more fully understand each character, based upon their relative hairstyles & attitudes. (... "~ how are they connected? Hairstyles & attitudes, how do they relate? How well do we use our freedom to choose, the illusions we create?" - Timbuk 3) 108.162.221.16 18:39, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- They're just generic humans, stop trying to say "her hair is wrong for [character]". It's really dumb. -Pennpenn 108.162.250.162 04:27, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Actually she looks more like Danish to me. -- BruceJohnJennerLawso (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
Actually, my question is whether the girl on the left is Science Girl. Hdjensofjfnen (talk) 19:53, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
- Almost has to be Science Girl, or a prototype of her at least. Nitpicking (talk) 19:58, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Reference to future readers: User:FaviFake has now granted Science Girl the name of Jill and converted various of the links to that (or to Hairbun, but that's another story). As there should be no changes to other people's valid Talk contributions, this needs pointing out (more than it needs 'correcting'). 172.70.85.93 14:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, I'm fairly new here and I didn't know it was considered bad practice to change the links in a talk page. I will be reverting all my edits tomorrow --FaviFake (talk) 21:17, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Update: Luckly, this was the only talk page where I changed the links. I'm sorry for the trouble. I'm not sure this is the right place, but if anyone wants to discuss Science Girl becoming Jill or Science Girl vs. Hairbun feel free to do so on my talk page, or the community portal. --FaviFake (talk) 08:14, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Reference to future readers: User:FaviFake has now granted Science Girl the name of Jill and converted various of the links to that (or to Hairbun, but that's another story). As there should be no changes to other people's valid Talk contributions, this needs pointing out (more than it needs 'correcting'). 172.70.85.93 14:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Almost has to be Science Girl, or a prototype of her at least. Nitpicking (talk) 19:58, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
What needs to be pointed out more is that science is a system of working toward finding the truth, that requires its adherents to remember that they never actually know for certain. A lot of modern "scientists" follow the same bad methodology as adherents of the geocentric model and astrology once did. Cosmology and quantum mechanics are full of epicycles, deferents, positivism, and static projection. Einstein and Schrodinger were correct to be horrified by that. —Kazvorpal (talk) 14:31, 29 September 2019 (UTC)