Editing Talk:1116: Traffic Lights

I doubt that this comic carries any deeper meaning. [[Special:Contributions/108.233.253.211|108.233.253.211]] 16:29, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Traffic signals really are one of the most inscrutable inventions to ever be made. I mean, red means stop, yellow means caution, green means go. Unless you're in a turn lane, which means you have to watch for the green arrow, if there is one, or wait for an opening. Unless you're turning right, which is permitted to turn at any time providing there aren't any cars. Unless there's a sign that says "No Right Turn On Red". There's also the crazy cities that have special right turn lights. Then there's the intersections that have a sign for each lane telling what can and cannot be done. Or, if you're really lucky one of those intersections that has the LED screen that dynamically changes what the lane can and cannot do. And to top it all off, the Colorado Department of Transportation (as well as a few other states I'm sure) are testing out a 4-stage left turn light to increase the safety of drivers. [https://www.auroragov.org/cs/groups/public/documents/document/003604.pdf] Yes, you read that pamphlet correctly. There is a special 4th light, just to blink yellow, because you couldn't just make the yellow light blink, like it does anyway after 9pm. No. There has to be a whole special light that indicates when a left-turn-er must use special caution to turn.

: Note that New York City doesn't allow right turns on red, unless a sign is posted that says otherwise.  I suppose this helps reduce the incidence of pedestrians being run into/over.  You might also think it helps keep vehicles out of crosswalks, but it doesn't. [[User:CityZen|CityZen]] ([[User talk:CityZen|talk]]) 01:13, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Nope. I'm done driving. Bring on the self-driving cars, people are officially idiots. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]] ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 16:52, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
: There is a problem with a blinking yellow arrow.  Blinking yellow is already used.  It means you have the right of way, but the other direction may proceed as well.  What is wanted here is blinking red, which means that you stop, but may proceed, as someone else has the right of way.  As for adding a fourth light, this just confuses things even more, particularly with respect to color blind individuals.  Having said that, Virginia's variant is to have lights with both left arrows and solid greens.  If it is green arrow, you have the right of way, while solid green means the other direction also has a green.  There is almost always a sign reading "left turn yield on &lt;solid-green-circle&gt;" [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 18:19, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

::so the blinking yellow left arrow generally means the same as a round green light - you can go when it's clear, but the opposite traffic has a green light too. I love this idea because a lot of the time where there is a separate left-turn signal, there are advanced lefts for both ways, and then left turners get a red left arrow and have to stop while people going straight get a green - so even where there's no oncoming traffic, you can't turn. this way, you just lose your "advance" status and go back to the regular rule of "turn if you can, otherwise you end up turning as the lights go yellow"

::I think what Lcarsos is pointing out if you check the PDF link, is that the new left-turn lane has 4 lights, all of which are left-arrow shaped. Thus, his point is why couldn't they make the 2nd light (yellow left arrow) blink, instead of installing a third light which is also a yellow left arrow whose job is to blink?

::I can think of a few possible reasons - first, perhaps an all-blinking light has different bulbs which are more efficient for blinking and won't burn out as much; second, because they want to distinguish between the two lights more strongly (i.e. if you glance over between blinks, you don't have to wait a moment to see if it will blink - if you see the 3rd light up, you know it's going to blink without waiting for it to actually blink); similarly, I suppose there could be colour blindness issues where they want to make it clear which light is which.

::PS: Right on Red is more common in north america than other places, but even here there are a few exceptions that do not allow right turns on red lights. New York City is one. Montreal is another. Most of Mexio is a third. [[User:TheHYPO|TheHYPO]] ([[User talk:TheHYPO|talk]]) 21:19, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

:From the first traffic light in London 1868 until standardization in the 1920s people tried out many crazy lights (see http://dx.doi.org/10.1109/T-VT.1970.23426) including---literally---bells and whistles to announce changes. It seems this phase is still not really over.[[Special:Contributions/134.169.34.172|134.169.34.172]] 10:33, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... not one to do the actual analysis, I still wonder whether there could be some message encoded in the pattern of lights -- in binary ASCII, baudot, Morse, or something.  Hmm... [[Special:Contributions/208.54.40.227|208.54.40.227]] 19:12, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

=== Red and yellow ===

In Poland you can sometimes stumble upon '''red and yellow''' -- while yellow alone means that there shortly would be a red, and you can proceed if you are at or almost at crossing, but stop otherwise, red and yellow is to mean that there shortly would be green (go), and to prepare oneself.  But it is quite rare. [[User:JakubNarebski|JakubNarebski]] ([[User talk:JakubNarebski|talk]]) 06:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

:In Germany all traffic lights behave this way. [[User:Joha.ma|Joha.ma]] ([[User talk:Joha.ma|talk]]) 07:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

::At least some lights in Czech behave this way too. -- [[Special:Contributions/89.177.52.2|89.177.52.2]] 08:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

This is the way ALL UK lights behave.

In Brazil some cities have greens and red in a row, and they decrease to indicate how long the green or red will last. something like http://www.guiasjp.com/fotos_noticias/foto_1165344648.8822.jpg [[Special:Contributions/189.125.162.182|189.125.162.182]] 20:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

== Obvious ==

It's how traffic engineers troll you when you are going the wrong way on a one-way. Learn to read signs!

== How in the hell did no one notice this earlier? ==

This comic has some tongue in cheek self reference to [[277: Long Light]]. #Meta And definite trolling, by [[Randall]]

== Turing Machine? ==

Any chance it is one?

== Etc ==

I was almost expected to see the Konami code in the left light, though I'm not sure how "B A Start" would have been shown. [[User:CityZen|CityZen]] ([[User talk:CityZen|talk]]) 01:13, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
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 : Note that New York City doesn't allow right turns on red, unless a sign is posted that says otherwise.  I suppose this helps reduce the incidence of pedestrians being run into/over.  You might also think it helps keep vehicles out of crosswalks, but it doesn't. [[User:CityZen|CityZen]] ([[User talk:CityZen|talk]]) 01:13, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
-: What about turning left on red from a one way street onto another one way street? I don't know how prevalent that is but it's fairly common in downtown Columbus Ohio (my locale) and to a lesser extent some smaller towns around here. [[Special:Contributions/74.218.18.210|74.218.18.210]] 12:30, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
-::First time commenting.  Not sure about the reply syntax.  But @ Ohio person: Up here in Michigan, we have supposedly special U-turns on divided highways (not to be confused with expressways; I'm just referring to the main business roads.)  If there is a light, you can treat it like turning right, even though it is an apparent left-turn and an actual u-turn.  "So long as you don't cross a lane of traffic, it is legal to turn if the lane is clear unless posted otherwise."  From my driver's ed instructor.  This does not apply to the second turn lane.  I cannot tell you how many times I've been honked at for obeying the law and not turning right from the left lane.  Sorry for any terrible typing or messups.  I'm doing this on my phone.  [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.31|108.162.216.31]] 08:42, 20 November 2013 (UTC)Dartania
 Nope. I'm done driving. Bring on the self-driving cars, people are officially idiots. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]] ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 16:52, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
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 ::PS: Right on Red is more common in north america than other places, but even here there are a few exceptions that do not allow right turns on red lights. New York City is one. Montreal is another. Most of Mexio is a third. [[User:TheHYPO|TheHYPO]] ([[User talk:TheHYPO|talk]]) 21:19, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
-::You can also white a white 'cigar' light that is inteded for busses only.
 :From the first traffic light in London 1868 until standardization in the 1920s people tried out many crazy lights (see http://dx.doi.org/10.1109/T-VT.1970.23426) including---literally---bells and whistles to announce changes. It seems this phase is still not really over.[[Special:Contributions/134.169.34.172|134.169.34.172]] 10:33, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
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 Hmm... not one to do the actual analysis, I still wonder whether there could be some message encoded in the pattern of lights -- in binary ASCII, baudot, Morse, or something.  Hmm... [[Special:Contributions/208.54.40.227|208.54.40.227]] 19:12, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
+=== Red and yellow ===
-This explanation mentions a lot of hands where no hands exist.  "The right-hand lane," for example.  This is a pet peeve of mine.  People just adding the word, "hand" randomly into a sentence.  It's superfluous and it's annoying.  It should be removed before someone slaps whoever did it with their right-hand hand.[[Special:Contributions/173.25.252.230|173.25.252.230]] 14:35, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
-:I believe "right-hand" is used to differentiate "the opposite from the left" from "the opposite of wrong".  If I say "get in the right lane", there is a chance for confusion and/or a cliche joke.  If I say "get in the right-hand lane", my meaning is clearer.{{unsigned|Tryc}}
-::Or "rightmost". My wife and I sometimes have friction when I'm driving and she's navigating, when she uses a phrase like "the second lane" shortly before the lanes split or merge (making the numbering ambiguous), or (worse) "the next lane". [[User:BunsenH|BunsenH]] ([[User talk:BunsenH|talk]]) 15:59, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
-;Red and yellow
 In Poland you can sometimes stumble upon '''red and yellow''' -- while yellow alone means that there shortly would be a red, and you can proceed if you are at or almost at crossing, but stop otherwise, red and yellow is to mean that there shortly would be green (go), and to prepare oneself.  But it is quite rare. [[User:JakubNarebski|JakubNarebski]] ([[User talk:JakubNarebski|talk]]) 06:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
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 ::At least some lights in Czech behave this way too. -- [[Special:Contributions/89.177.52.2|89.177.52.2]] 08:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
-:::I find it funny how you people say "some lights", considering the red-yellow combination is the standard across Europe before it turns green; and is the default behaviour for all lights, with minor exceptions. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.77.36|141.101.77.36]] 22:25, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 This is the way ALL UK lights behave.
-Some lights in the US use '''red and yellow''' to mean that a pedestrian is crossing, although I've only seen this when the light is blinking red/yellow to start with (yes, I've seen full 3-bulb traffic lights that are only used to flash red/yellow). [[User:Zer0keefie|Zer0keefie]] ([[User talk:Zer0keefie|talk]]) 11:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
-OK, here is the difference between the US and Europe:
-Originally I believe all the traffic lights went through the sequence (1) green in one direction, red in another, (2) yellow in both directions, meaning "clear off the intersection" for the first direction and "get your car into gear" in the second direction, (3) red in one direction, green in another.
-There are two problems though: first, when the green changes to yellow, people try to squeeze through (and it may even be difficult to stop if you're traveling at speed), second, when the red changes to yellow, people who are not stopped but carrying speed are trying to squeeze through earlier while the light is still yellow (this gets worse if the yellow is long and the incoming drivers don't know if it's after red or after green), and collisions ensue.
-The solutions for these problems taken in US and Europe are different. In Europe the yellow-after-red is shown together with the red still on, strongly suggesting "no, you may not enter", and in the other direction the green often blinks once 10 seconds before it switches to yellow. In US there is no yellow-after-red, the red changes directly to green, and yellow always goes only after green (the automatic transmissions being prevalent, there is no need to shift into gear). The yellow is often long, to let the traffic on the fast roads to clear off, Also, there is usually a period of red in all directions which lets the stragglers clear off the intersection for sure before the other side goes green. This is why slipping on red just after yellow had ended is considered no big deal in US and a major no-no in Europe. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.111|108.162.245.111]] 23:15, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
-:Where I live, in Santa Cruz do Sul - Rio Grande do Sul - Brazil, we have no yellow before green, but very few traffic lights blink red once right before green. Here, slipping on red is also common, but it's also common to stretch it a bit more and confusion ensues. Continuing from what has been said below, some traffic lights in Porto Alegre even have a numeric countdown.[[Special:Contributions/108.162.212.220|108.162.212.220]] 20:06, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 In Brazil some cities have greens and red in a row, and they decrease to indicate how long the green or red will last. something like http://www.guiasjp.com/fotos_noticias/foto_1165344648.8822.jpg [[Special:Contributions/189.125.162.182|189.125.162.182]] 20:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
-In BRazil too, in Goiânia there's a nice one here for pedestrians, with leds, that show an animated pedestrian walking and when the time is running out HE RUNS FASTER! Like, it's about to go green for the cars, but feel free to cross... IF YOU'RE FAST!
-In Tianjin China they have a traffic signal that is a single bar of light. If it is green it starts subtracting bar length segments. When there is about a quarter left it turns yellow and then red. It then start subtracting bar length segments from the other end until it gets to about a quarter length and then turns green again. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bob406/3428844012
+== Obvious ==
-In Beijing China we have side ways lights ,numric countdowns and sometimes both.We sometimes turn left from the right.Somtimes we can turn right on red and sometimes we can’t.No signs telling you what to do.[[User:1337-PI|1337-PI]] ([[User talk:1337-PI|talk]]) 00:56, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
-;Obvious
 It's how traffic engineers troll you when you are going the wrong way on a one-way. Learn to read signs!
-;Reference to previous comic
+== How in the hell did no one notice this earlier? ==
 This comic has some tongue in cheek self reference to [[277: Long Light]]. #Meta And definite trolling, by [[Randall]]
-:What about [[781: Ahead Stop]]?
+== Turing Machine? ==
-:Turing Machine?
 Any chance it is one?
+== Etc ==
-;Etc
 I was almost expected to see the Konami code in the left light, though I'm not sure how "B A Start" would have been shown. [[User:CityZen|CityZen]] ([[User talk:CityZen|talk]]) 01:13, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
-;Music
-I am no musician, but I can't help but wonder if there could be a hidden music chart in there somehow.
-Also, if you want confusing, try understanding parking signs in Montreal.
-:Might be, but depending on what pitches or sounds you assign to the lights, you could get pretty much every degree of harmony or cacophony you want. - Another possible music reference: Anybody reminded of Hendrix' "The Wind Cries Mary"? "The traffic lights, they turn, uh, blue tomorrow." [[Special:Contributions/89.0.230.165|89.0.230.165]] 08:14, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
-;And You thought 4 stage was bad enough
-Here In BC, in older installations, and I'm not sure whether any still exist, there used to be lights with 5 stages. It wasn't really any different than the standard red-yellow-green-turn combo you generally see where the turning light may come on, it just had the yellow arrow shown when the turning arrow is about to expire in it's own lamp. It behaves pretty expectantly, but it looks very imposing.
-;Race cars
-The second light has quite a resemblance to the "christmas tree" that governs the start of a drag race, where the lights change colors according to a pattern <nowiki>http://www</nowiki> dot nhra dot com/nhra101/basics.aspx [[Special:Contributions/69.121.10.82|69.121.10.82]] 04:32, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
-I sat and watched this increasingly surreal show for about three minutes, then I broke down laughing when one of the lights turned purple. [[Special:Contributions/174.239.196.155|174.239.196.155]] 06:09, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
-In UK, ALL lights go Red -> red AND yellow -> green -> yellow on it's own -> red again. Red and yellow means it's about to go green and yellow on it's own means it's about to go red. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.246|141.101.98.246]] 21:43, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
-;Bird
-What is the bird doing? [[Special:Contributions/108.162.218.65|108.162.218.65]] 19:12, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
-;Left lane
-The page says "In normal course, right turns would be permitted from the right lane and left turns from the left lanes.". In Melbourne there are intersections where traffic turning right is required to use the ''left'' lane. {{unsigned ip|141.101.70.169}}
-[[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.111|108.162.216.111]] 03:15, 5 October 2016 (UTC) You should try driving in utah
-I do not know how to add the incomplete tag but no where do I see any mention of the sign under the left most light, the one showing at least where I live no forward travel in any direction is allowed. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.159|162.158.62.159]] 11:59, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
-;Turn right from left lane
-'''Believe it or not,''', turning right from the left lane is actually a thing in {{w|Melbourne, Victoria}}. They call it a {{w|hook turn}}, and it's used on roads with trams to stop cars stopping on the tram line while waiting to turn. The car pulls over on the left (outermost lane in Australia), and when there's a large enough gap or the lights change it turns across all lanes of traffic. Terrifying thing when you see it for the first time.
-[[User:Alcatraz ii|Alcatraz ii]] ([[User talk:Alcatraz ii|talk]]) 02:36, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
-Oh god, the sign beneath the furthest left traffic light is cropped. Is the sign important here? [[User:Beanie|Beanie]] ([[User talk:Beanie|talk]]) 13:12, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
-In my country we call traffic lights "robots", that is the official name. We had friends visiting from England once, that we gave directions to (pre-GPS). They got very confused at the instruction given, "turn right at the second robot", lol! [[User:The Cat Lady|-- The Cat Lady]] ([[User talk:The Cat Lady|talk]]) 17:30, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
-actually in spain the rare times there's transition from red to green is blinking yellow and in places where you gotta be careful green is replaced by another yellow that when it's "green" the 2 yellows alternate. so not *all* of europe. [[User:An user who has no account yet|An user who has no account yet]] ([[User talk:An user who has no account yet|talk]]) 17:23, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
-== Blue is Green in Japan ==
-The blue "green" light may refer to the Japanese system. The The Japanese green light is actually blue, reflecting the language's lack of a clear blue-green distinction.
-* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue%E2%80%93green_distinction_in_language#Japanese
-* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_light#Variations
-* https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=japan+traffic+light&iax=images&ia=images
-Sorry about the formatting. I haven´t edited a Wiki in a while. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.91.241|172.70.91.241]] 02:22, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
-:Re: formatting, not a problem, here in Talk. Though the site's {{template|w}} template can be used for a couple of those. <code><nowiki>{{w|Blue%E2%80%93green_distinction_in_language#Japanese}}</nowiki></code> would link nicely enough, for starters (pending adding a further "|display text"). You can replace underscores with spaces, probably use the unescaped title "Blue–green distinction in language" over the one with the tag-codes. It should eventually come out as something like "{{w|Blue–green distinction in language#Japanese|information about the Blue–green distinction in Japanese}}". And ''that's'' one of the more complicated examples.
-:As a fall-back, or on other wikis, there's use "[URL<space>...whatever link-text you want]" (or just "[URL]") for any link that you can't find a handy template for (there's Wiktionary, RationalWiki and TVTropes versions of the Wikipedia shortcut template...). So <code><nowiki>[https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=japan+traffic+light&iax=images&ia=images Images of Japanese traffic lights]...</nowiki></code> renders thusly: [https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=japan+traffic+light&iax=images&ia=images Images of Japanese traffic lights]...
-:Hope that helps people. (There's also the [[]] for internal/cross-wiki links, which would also handle Wikipedia articles if you do it right, but you might as well {{template|w}} things in most article-linking cases.) [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.158|141.101.99.158]] 18:21, 15 October 2023 (UTC)